In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 386, Issue 9, Message: 5
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400 Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
> Robert Bonomi articulated:
>
> > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
> > denying them the 'freedom of choi
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 09:48:08 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100
> C. P. Ghost articulated:
>
> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry wrote:
> > > The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or
> > > laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 13:59:58 +0100
C. P. Ghost articulated:
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry wrote:
> > The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or
> > laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even
> > some of them are exempt, now come with "
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jerry wrote:
> The biggest loser in this is FreeBSD itself. Virtually any new PC or
> laptop, with the exception of the bargain basement brands, and even
> some of them are exempt, now come with "N" protocol wireless devices.
Instead of devoting so much time and e
On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 08:25:11 +
Frank Shute articulated:
> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> >
> > You cannot even get a decent "N - protocol" wireless device, or even
> > a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the
> > rest of the world has had work
On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 07:28:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
>
> You cannot even get a decent "N - protocol" wireless device, or even
> a not so decent one for that matter, to work on FreeBSD while the
> rest of the world has had working solutions for 5 years. What the
> hell are they waiting for -- the
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sat Oct 29 06:29:33 2011
> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:28:24 -0400
> From: Jerry
> To: FreeBSD
> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
> Robert Bonomi articulated:
>
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While political and economic issues are important, most of them are not
directly relevant to the freebsd-questions mailing list, and reduce the
usefulness of the list in helping people get answers to questions about
FreeBSD.
Please continue such subjects somewhere else, like private email or
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
> Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
> denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on
> the matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some
> degree held leg
> > Then I have to portupgrade hplip and dependencies (portupgrade
> > -r ...) or the portmaster equivalent.
> Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is
> the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or
> just self-flagellation?
> --
> Jerry ?
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 01:28:30 -0700
"Ronald F. Guilmette" wrote:
>
>
> This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
> information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled)
> because it may benefit some folks, other than just me.
>
> I'm impati
On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 00:44:59 +0200, Polytropon wrote
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote:
> > Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
> > denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the
> > matter -- e.g. "anyon
Warren Block wrote:
> A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The
> program stops responding to further input until the printer has
> received the entire print job. This bothered people enough that
> they came up with lpd/lpr ...
Back when lpr/lpd were first written, it was
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:27:03 -0500 (CDT), Robert Bonomi wrote:
> Your insistance on trying to impose -your- standards on the world, and
> denying them the 'freedom of choice' to make their own decisions on the
> matter -- e.g. "anyone offering such products should be to some degree
> held legally
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400
Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
> Robert Bonomi articulated:
>
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry
> > pontificated:
> > >
> > > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop.
> > > My drugs come form
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400 Jerry supersciliously
ponftificated:
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
> Robert Bonomi articulated:
>
> >
> > On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry
> > pontificated:
> > >
> > > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop.
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:54:01 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> Remember the adage: "You get what you pay for."
That's often true - especially in the home consumer
market you mostly get crap, this is what you pay for.
But in some cases, you can't control _what_ you get
just per payment, means: Just because it
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:17:46 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
> P.S. If _anybody_ wants to accuse me of 'name-calling', note well
> that Jerry started it, and without any provocation.
"Mommy.mommy, come quick. The boy next door is picking on me."
--
Jerry ✌
jerry+f...@seibercom.net
Discl
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:35:20 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry
> pontificated:
> >
> > I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop.
> > My drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the
> > local pusher. I li
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry pontificated:
>
> I buy my cars from known corporations and not the local chop-shop. My
> drugs come form known pharmaceutical corporations and not the local
> pusher. I like my device specific codes to come from those best able to
> supply them, the OEM.
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:04:19 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
>
> > So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer
> > wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware
> > for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:14:26 -0700
Chuck Swiger articulated:
> On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote:
> > Check out "MOVED" in the ports. There are numerous applications that
> > are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want
> > someone to contact. I realize that is not the Ope
On Oct 28, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Check out "MOVED" in the ports. There are numerous applications that
> are just abandoned or discontinued. If something breaks I want someone
> to contact. I realize that is not the Open Source way however. The
> thought of someone actually being responsi
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:12:54 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> So let me make this more clear: IF the hardware manufacturer
> wants to allow developers to write drivers for their hardware
> for free, THEN everything they'd have to do is to publish the
> control codes for the sheet feeder and the ink
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 06:36:20 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> Welcome to the wonderful world of printing on FreeBSD. By the way, is
> the time you are investing in this venture considered billable hours or
> just self-flagellation?
Maybe you can also ask the other way round:
BEFORE I buy a product, I ask: D
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:53:44 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote:
> A better example would be a web browser or word processor. The program
> stops responding to further input until the printer has received the
> entire print job. This bothered people enough that they came up with
> lpd/lpr, which
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote:
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are
instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Mark Felder wrote:
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs
are instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to
go home and do the same with my per
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:09:05 -0500 (CDT)
Robert Bonomi articulated:
> > From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 27 16:46:51 2011
> > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400
> > From: Jerry
> > To: FreeBSD
> > Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CU
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:08:07 + (GMT)
Thomas Mueller articulated:
> from Mark Felder :
>
> > You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it
> > would take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my
> > print jobs are instantaneous here at work instead of being a
from Mark Felder :
> You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
> take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are
> instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go
> home and do the same with my personal laser.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
In message ,
Warren Block wrote:
...
The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up
a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what
will happen if I ever try to print something when something else
Polytropon wrote:
> Companies that develop printers want money.
> They need to continuously sell printers ...
This seems to be becoming less and less accurate.
It has long been the case that consumer-grade ink-blot printers are
sold below cost -- the money being made by selling ink cartridges.
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:39:17 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
>
> > There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-)
>
> Absolutely true. However, as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "It is
> tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat e
> From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Oct 27 16:46:51 2011
> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400
> From: Jerry
> To: FreeBSD
> Subject: Re: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
>
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
>
> > O
On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 00:52:49 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> There isn't much you can invent on a hammer. :-)
Absolutely true. However, as Abraham Maslow said in 1966, "It is
tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as
if it were a nail."
This sort of tunnel vision, a
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:46:21 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200
> Polytropon articulated:
>
> > On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze.
> >
> > > The *nix community has never
> > > gotten printing up to that lever.
> >
>
>>I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad
>>lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long
>>enough that I don't want to wait.
>
>I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john.
$ lpr foo
$ lpr bar
$ lpr baz
It will print the three file
You've just made me a happy, happy user. I always wondered what it would
take to get rid of CUPS, and today I've done it. Finally my print jobs are
instantaneous here at work instead of being a mystery. Can't wait to go
home and do the same with my personal laser.
___
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:32 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> > Printing under MS Windows is a breeze.
>
> > The *nix community has never
> > gotten printing up to that lever.
>
> It _had_, past tense. :-)
>
> > While there are those who continu
In message ,
Warren Block wrote:
>...
>> The only thing that worries me about my rather ad-hoc way of setting up
>> a "personal" printer (as describe above) is that I sort of wonder what
>> will happen if I ever try to print something when something else is
>> currently printing.
>
>There's als
In message <20111027143609.60335.qm...@joyce.lan>, you wrote:
>I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad
>lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long
>enough that I don't want to wait.
I don't quite understand the issue you are raising john.
E
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:39:05 -0400, Jerry wrote:
> Printing under MS Windows is a breeze.
> The *nix community has never
> gotten printing up to that lever.
It _had_, past tense. :-)
> While there are those who continually
> blame the "manufacturers", the truth is that any COO, CFO {or any oth
On Oct 27, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Jerry wrote:
> Printing under MS Windows is a breeze. The *nix community has never
> gotten printing up to that lever.
Of course Unix has had functional printing; the issue is mostly dumb printers
which can't accept PostScript or at least PCL, and need an OS-specific
Quoth Ronald F. Guilmette on Thursday, 27 October 2011:
>
> #!/bin/sh
>
> printer='/dev/ulpt0'
>
> if [ $# = 0 ]; then
> cat | /usr/local/libexec/psif > $printer
> else
> for arg in $* ; do
> cat $arg | /usr/loca
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100
Matthew Seaman articulated:
> On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote:
> > In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things,
> > not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I
> > feel to say it.
>
> Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. C
El día Thursday, October 27, 2011 a las 07:00:39PM +0200, Polytropon escribió:
> > Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X
> > thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my MacBook -- I just
> > plug in the USB cable from my printer and hit print -- but I never
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:41:38 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote:
> On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote:
> > In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things,
> > not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I
> > feel to say it.
>
> Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is
On 27/10/2011 16:29, Polytropon wrote:
> In my opinion, CUPS is the "Windows" way of doing things,
> not the UNIX way. Hate me for having that opinion, but I
> feel to say it.
Actually you can't blame Bill for this one. CUPS is an Apple / MacOS X
thing. I must say, it works really smoothly on my
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:17:55 +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> > BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications
> > today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default
> > system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp
> > which work
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> BUT: CUPS seems to be hardcoded into many applications
> today. They stopped working with the non-CUPS default
> system tools. An example is Opera. Another one is Gimp
> which works with system lp* tools, but has hardcoded
> queries to "lpstat"
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 03:42:22 -0700 (PDT), Bill Tillman wrote:
> This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
> information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled)
> because it may benefit some folks, other than just me.
>
> I'm impatient by nat
I'm not a huge fan of CUPS, but at this point it's the best of a bad
lot. I find the queueing useful, since I often print documents long
enough that I don't want to wait.
>More importantly, CUPS, for me at least, seems to be quite slow.
>There's a lng pause after I queue something for pri
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Because I've never used 8.2 before... or even any 8.x release, I naturally
went into the Handbook and looked for _current_ guidance on setting up
printers. Most of that information was quite helpful, right up to the point
where it started discussi
From: Ronald F. Guilmette
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 4:28 AM
Subject: Fast personal printing _without_ CUPS
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
information that I wan
This isn't really a question. It's more of a semi-rant, combined with some
information that I wanted to put on the record (so that it can be googled)
because it may benefit some folks, other than just me.
I'm impatient by nature, and I don't like CUPS. (I would say that I hate
it, but I don't
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