Re: Gutmann Method on Empty Space

2008-01-19 Thread RW
On Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:38:27 -0800
Jason C. Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 It's interesting to note that Gutmann's earlier work said, loosely
 If you do this, you should be fairly certain you data is
 unrecoverable. He now says, A few passes of random data is as good
 as can be expected.  Those two standards of performance are very
 different.  

But he goes on to say:

Looking at this from the other point of view, with the ever-increasing
data density on disk platters and a corresponding reduction in feature
size and use of exotic techniques to record data on the medium, it's
unlikely that anything can be recovered from any recent drive except
perhaps a single level via basic error-cancelling techniques. 

So even those few passes of random data are overkill.

  I just want to make sure that any given day that the police
 come take my functioning computers way that nothing can be recovered
 that I explicitly deleted.  

The police just take disk images.
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Re: Gutmann Method on Empty Space

2008-01-18 Thread Jason C. Wells

RW wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 08:59:44 -0800
Jason C. Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Gutmann method might be excessive but any software that uses it shows
a seriousness about security. 


Gutmann himself regards the continued use of his method as Voodoo


Yes well.  We lay people have only the best voodoo to go by. There are 
many things that I do with computers that can be called voodoo by virtue 
of the fact that I do them superstitiously. And if I don't happen to 
know the optimal patterns/passes to apply to a specific drive, then I'll 
do what was last known to be adequate until I hear otherwise. (As I have 
just now.)


It's interesting to note that Gutmann's earlier work said, loosely If 
you do this, you should be fairly certain you data is unrecoverable. 
He now says, A few passes of random data is as good as can be 
expected.  Those two standards of performance are very different.  Too 
bad wikipedia didn't cite the follow on work.


And no I don't want to physically shred my drive in a running server.  I 
just want to make sure that any given day that the police come take my 
functioning computers way that nothing can be recovered that I 
explicitly deleted.  The blank space should be blank.


Later,
Jason
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