Re: NIS Linux - Ubuntu

2007-12-27 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 09:10:00PM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  The behavior with an asterisk instead of an X is pretty worrisome,
  however, and is not strictly Ubuntu's fault.  Security of a server should
  not rely on the good will and competence of the client developers.
 
 I agree with the latter sentence, but not the former.  
 When using NFS (without Kerberos), it is built into the protocol that
 the server trusts the client on the UID/GID.  
 That is a good reason not to use NFS in an untrusted environment, but
 there really isn't anything FreeBSD can do about it.

I'm not clear on how that makes it Ubuntu's fault -- which seems to be
what you're saying, since you disagreed with the sentence in which I
stated it is not strictly Ubuntu's fault.

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Re: NIS Linux - Ubuntu

2007-12-26 Thread Lowell Gilbert
Chad Perrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:32:50AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 RA Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I am sorry, here is an addendum to my previous post:
 
 Somehow Ubuntu was given root user
   permissions
 
  Actually, upon rereading my notes, Ubuntu was only given permissions of 
  the user doing the login - not root - but we could login with any valid 
  user apparently FreeBSD thought it was presented with a wildcard password.
 
  And I can also verify that FreeBSD clients are able to use the password 
  map when x is used instead of * in the map to represent the password. So I 
  can secure the system using the x but still cannot get Ubuntu clients to 
  authenticate.
 
 Sounds like Ubuntu is using the wrong map, probably one where it's
 getting a different and empty field where it expects to find a password.

 The behavior with an asterisk instead of an X is pretty worrisome,
 however, and is not strictly Ubuntu's fault.  Security of a server should
 not rely on the good will and competence of the client developers.

I agree with the latter sentence, but not the former.  
When using NFS (without Kerberos), it is built into the protocol that
the server trusts the client on the UID/GID.  
That is a good reason not to use NFS in an untrusted environment, but
there really isn't anything FreeBSD can do about it.
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Re: NIS Linux - Ubuntu

2007-12-20 Thread Lowell Gilbert
RA Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I am sorry, here is an addendum to my previous post:

Somehow Ubuntu was given root user
  permissions

 Actually, upon rereading my notes, Ubuntu was only given permissions of the 
 user doing the login - not root - but we could login with any valid user 
 apparently FreeBSD thought it was presented with a wildcard password.

 And I can also verify that FreeBSD clients are able to use the password map 
 when x is used instead of * in the map to represent the password. So I can 
 secure the system using the x but still cannot get Ubuntu clients to 
 authenticate.

Sounds like Ubuntu is using the wrong map, probably one where it's
getting a different and empty field where it expects to find a password.
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Re: NIS Linux - Ubuntu

2007-12-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Thu, Dec 20, 2007 at 09:32:50AM -0500, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
 RA Cohen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I am sorry, here is an addendum to my previous post:
 
 Somehow Ubuntu was given root user
   permissions
 
  Actually, upon rereading my notes, Ubuntu was only given permissions of the 
  user doing the login - not root - but we could login with any valid user 
  apparently FreeBSD thought it was presented with a wildcard password.
 
  And I can also verify that FreeBSD clients are able to use the password map 
  when x is used instead of * in the map to represent the password. So I can 
  secure the system using the x but still cannot get Ubuntu clients to 
  authenticate.
 
 Sounds like Ubuntu is using the wrong map, probably one where it's
 getting a different and empty field where it expects to find a password.

The behavior with an asterisk instead of an X is pretty worrisome,
however, and is not strictly Ubuntu's fault.  Security of a server should
not rely on the good will and competence of the client developers.

-- 
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Baltasar Gracian: A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from
his friends.
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