Re: get rel 9.0 iso
I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or one kernel for each computer. This would be the USB-stick i386 install. I would also have FreeBSD 9.0 amd64 on the new computer hard drive; would put the system source and ports tree on the hard-drive installation. I might put /home together with root and /usr on the main (USB-stick installation) partition. X Window manager would be IceWM. FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM. Resource hogs are the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash Player, printers. Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on old computers as long as they're in good condition. By printers, I mean not only CUPS, but hplip which depends on cups. On BETA1, hplip build failed in cups because of undefined variable, I believe. Other failed port was fuse. On the computer from 2001, FreeBSD 8.1 and 8.2 /var got over 800 MB; I became nervous as /var data grew during the freebsd-update from 8.1 to 8.2. Most iso-downloadable (CD or DVD) Linux distributions now require 512 MB RAM or more; I believe PC-BSD requires at least 512 MB RAM. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
To build FreeBSD 9.0 on USB stick for the old computer, host computer would be new amd64, cross-compiling for i386. I see default /var partition size for new FreeBSD installations was to be 4 GB, so I might be safer with 16 GB rather than 8 GB USB stick, even though there would be no need to install system source and ports tree on the USB stick. But I had already decided that I was not going to have separate partitions for /tmp, /var and /usr, but would want a separate partition for /home, except possibly on a USB stick. Now it looks like FreeBSD 9.0-to-be is pushing the idea of installing on GPT; even the memstick installation disk, where traditional MBR partitioning scheme would fit comfortably, uses GPT. I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or one kernel for each computer. FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM. Resource hogs are the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash Player, printers. Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on old computers as long as they're in good condition. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Sun, 11 Sep 2011 04:11:26 + (GMT), Thomas Mueller wrote: To build FreeBSD 9.0 on USB stick for the old computer, host computer would be new amd64, cross-compiling for i386. Yes, in this case you would need to cross-compile. I see default /var partition size for new FreeBSD installations was to be 4 GB, so I might be safer with 16 GB rather than 8 GB USB stick, even though there would be no need to install system source and ports tree on the USB stick. Those would have been installed on the /usr partition, not on /var. I think 8 GB might be a quite huge partition, but that will depend on what you intend to use your server for. In some cases /var won't get bigger than 1 GB, on other cases it might fill up quite quickly. % df -h /var Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad4s1e989M133M776M15%/var This is an example from my home system - you can see that /var is hardly used. But I had already decided that I was not going to have separate partitions for /tmp, /var and /usr, but would want a separate partition for /home, except possibly on a USB stick. That's a good idea, so you can get rid of partition size calculations. But note that some temporary process might fill /tmp and therefore affect the _whole_ partition that also contains /usr. But maybe that won't be a problem as you put /home somewhere else. Now it looks like FreeBSD 9.0-to-be is pushing the idea of installing on GPT; even the memstick installation disk, where traditional MBR partitioning scheme would fit comfortably, uses GPT. You can easily apply GTP partitions for the same purpose, e. g. da0p1 for / (including /tmp, /var and /usr subtrees) and da0p2 for /home if you want them on _one_ media - or put da0p1 covering the whole stick to be mounted as /, and da1p1 (second USB media) for /home. I could build one kernel that would support the hardware on both computers, or one kernel for each computer. One for each, as you probably will use AMD64 kernel on the bigger machine. But you still _can_ use i386 on both of them except you intendedly _require_ AMD64 functionality on the bigger machine. FreeBSD itself can run comfortably in well under 256 MB RAM. Yes, the OS has no problem booting fast even on such limited hardware. Resource hogs are the big applications: KDE, GNOME, bigger web browsers, multimedia, Adobe Flash Player, printers. Uhm... printers??? Oh, maybe CUPS, yes. :-) You can _still_ build workstation systems on limited hardware, but you have to be _very_ picky about the applications you use. For example, I have a 300 MHz P2 workstation that runs XFCE 3, Opera 8, mplayer (compiled because of getting the best optimization!), OpenOffice 2, xmms and LaTeX. This system runs well and is still quite usable. Servers, not needing all the fancy stuff, can be set up on old computers as long as they're in good condition. I completely agree, as I'm following this philosophy myself. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
I think dvd1.iso was 700 MB and would therefore fit on a CD? I just checked, it was 700 MB: Index of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/ Up to higher level directory NameSizeLast Modified File:CHECKSUM.MD5 1 KB09/01/1100:00:00 File:CHECKSUM.SHA2561 KB09/01/1100:00:00 File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-bootonly.iso 142490 KB 08/31/11 18:45:00 File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-dvd1.iso 621926 KB 08/31/1118:43:00 File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-memstick.img 666990 KB 08/31/11 18:46:00 (end of quote) My computer from July 2001 had CD-RW but no DVD. This was one of the factors pushing me to buy parts for a new computer. FreeBSD 8.2 slice on old computer is about 12 GB with 1.3 GB free; RAM is 256 MB. So a better way to upgrade to 9.0 might be to build on the new computer onto a 16 GB USB stick, I wouldn't even need to keep the ports tree or system source on the USB stick. I assume booting a USB stick with Plop would work on the 2001 computer with FreeBSD as it did with NetBSD 4.0.1 and NetBSD-current. Due to insufficient RAM and insufficient disk space for the bigger packages/ports, I feel like I'm at the end of the line with FreeBSD, NetBSD too, on the 2001 computer; would need to build on my new computer. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
Thomas Mueller mueller6727@bellsouth.net wrote: I think dvd1.iso was 700 MB and would therefore fit on a CD? I just checked, it was 700 MB: Index of ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/ Up to higher level directory NameSizeLast Modified File:CHECKSUM.MD5 1 KB09/01/1100:00:00 File:CHECKSUM.SHA2561 KB09/01/1100:00:00 File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-bootonly.iso 142490 KB 08/31/11 18:45:00 File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-dvd1.iso 621926 KB 08/31/1118:43:00 File:FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-amd64-memstick.img 666990 KB 08/31/11 18:46:00 (end of quote) My computer from July 2001 had CD-RW but no DVD. This was one of the factors pushing me to buy parts for a new computer. FreeBSD 8.2 slice on old computer is about 12 GB with 1.3 GB free; RAM is 256 MB. So a better way to upgrade to 9.0 might be to build on the new computer onto a 16 GB USB stick, I wouldn't even need to keep the ports tree or system source on the USB stick. I assume booting a USB stick with Plop would work on the 2001 computer with FreeBSD as it did with NetBSD 4.0.1 and NetBSD-current. Due to insufficient RAM and insufficient disk space for the bigger packages/ports, I feel like I'm at the end of the line with FreeBSD, NetBSD too, on the 2001 computer; would need to build on my new computer. Tom The dvd1.iso file is less than 700mb and would fit on a standard cd. But the point is you do not install from a .iso file. The .iso file is a compressed file and when you uncompress it it's way to large to fit on a standard cd but will fit on a dvd. Thats why its named dvd1.iso. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
The dvd1.iso file is less than 700mb and would fit on a standard cd. But the point is you do not install from a .iso file. The .iso file is a compressed file and when you uncompress it it's way to large to fit on a standard cd but will fit on a dvd. Thats why its named dvd1.iso. __**_ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/**mailman/listinfo/freebsd-**questionshttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-** unsubscr...@freebsd.org freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I just burned the dvd1.iso to a cd-r this morning and used it to install to a laptop. Worked great. I think there is some confusion about compression on the iso file. There is none on the file in question. Previous DVD iso files have been compressed, which gives it a filename of dvd1.iso.xz. The 9.0BETA2 file is not compressed though. Mike Kelly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:31:57 + (GMT), Thomas Mueller wrote: Is that pc that can't boot from memstick old? I have an old PC, dating to July 2001, that can't boot directly from USB, but can boot from USB with the help of Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager. If it doesn't boot directly (even my old 2005 PC has problems with that) try to use PLOP to boot the memstick image. You can easily directly copy it to a USB stick which would then be a bootable media. I think dvd1.iso was 700 MB and would therefore fit on a CD? No that would have been the CD#1; the traditional set of 4 CDs comes with CD#1 installation, CD#2 Live system (can also be used to install via Internet), CD#3 and CD#4 for packages. Those CD images are named disc instead of dvd. You can find them for the current release at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/8.2/ FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso 48,108 KB - CD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso668,928 KB - CD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso.xz2,017,993 KB - DVD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-livefs.iso 258,216 KB - CD FreeBSD-8.2-RELEASE-i386-memstick.img 936,150 KB - USB Those set of images is typically generated for a RELEASE, not for CURRENT (and its BETA and RC stages). In your case, the 9.0-BETA2 bootonly CD can be used to boot the system and to start the installation via Internet (in case you don't have the option to boot from DVD). My computer from July 2001 had CD-RW but no DVD. This was one of the factors pushing me to buy parts for a new computer. In this case, I'd simply use CD because it seems to be less trouble (just in case USB boot via PLOP doesn't work). You can also go the following road: Install 8.2-RELEASE, do a source upgrade to 9.0-BETA and update your system from source. You'll find details in the FreeBSD Handbook and in /usr/src/Makefile's comment header. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Fri, 9 Sep 2011 11:29:28 + (GMT), Thomas Mueller wrote: FreeBSD 8.2 slice on old computer is about 12 GB with 1.3 GB free; RAM is 256 MB. Depending on your particular software needs, a full FreeBSD installation _with_ programs can fit onto an 8 GB slice (or disk) with 50% free space. :-) So a better way to upgrade to 9.0 might be to build on the new computer onto a 16 GB USB stick, I wouldn't even need to keep the ports tree or system source on the USB stick. You should just pay attention to building parameters (see man make.conf and man src.conf) to keep the system in a minimal state, and make sure not to tie it to the hardware characteristics (especially CPU) of the building system. I assume booting a USB stick with Plop would work on the 2001 computer with FreeBSD as it did with NetBSD 4.0.1 and NetBSD-current. Just try it, it should be possible. Due to insufficient RAM and insufficient disk space for the bigger packages/ports, I feel like I'm at the end of the line with FreeBSD, NetBSD too, on the 2001 computer; would need to build on my new computer. Yes, even if the system runs flawlessly, upgrading gets more and more complicated, so maybe migrating to a new machine would be better here. Just an addition: I still run a Pentium (yes, no numbers after the name!) with 150 MHz and 128 MB RAM here as a small server, using FreeBSD/x86 8.2. I did install from CD and then via Internet. Packages are fine to use in this case (see man pkg_add). Depending on _what_ the server does, even this over-obsoleted configuration might fit perfectly well! So I do _no_ claim it's impossible to run and install FreeBSD on older hardware. In fact, it _IS_ possible, maybe just a bit complicated in special cases (e. g. as the P1 server I mentioned does not even have USB, only a CD-ROM drive), but _POSSIBLE_, which may be fully sufficient in some cases. So old iron can still be a valueable citizen of the IT infrastructure. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:43:47 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote:
No rel 9.0 i386 disc1.iso anywhere. My pc can not boot from memstick.
Polytropon responded:
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
A FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-{i386|amd64}-bootonly.iso and
FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-{i386|amd64}-dvd1.iso are available.
Note that this is just a BETA, _not_ a RELEASE.
If your system can boot at least from CD, the bootonly should
be fine (if you can then continue installation via Internet);
if you don't have a machine connected, the DVD #1 will be a
good tool (as a DVD-capable drive should be assumed as common
equipment today).
Is that pc that can't boot from memstick old? I have an old PC, dating to July
2001, that can't boot directly from USB, but can boot from USB with the help of
Plop (http://www.plop.at/) boot manager.
I think dvd1.iso was 700 MB and would therefore fit on a CD?
My computer from July 2001 had CD-RW but no DVD. This was one of the factors
pushing me to buy parts for a new computer.
Tom
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Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:59:05 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: What is the ftp url to fetch the most current release 9.0 .iso file? FreeBSD-9.0 hasn't been released yet. In order to obtain a current snapshot, check the FTP server: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201107/ You'll find FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201107-ia64-bootonly.iso and FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201107-ia64-release.iso here, as well as a memory stick image. In ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201105/ you'll also find ISO images for amd64 and i386 architectures. The current releases can be found on the FTP server at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBS/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGE/ and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/ as well as ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/ and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-amd64/ respectively. Those are the releases. The current one is 8.2. For details, see: http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/relnotes/index.html -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: What is the ftp url to fetch the most current release 9.0 .iso file? 9.0-RELEASE is not available yet. 9.0-BETA2 has been annouced today though: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html#helptest this will also be available on mirrors shortly... -pete -- pete wright www.nycbug.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
Polytropon wrote: On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 19:59:05 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: What is the ftp url to fetch the most current release 9.0 .iso file? FreeBSD-9.0 hasn't been released yet. In order to obtain a current snapshot, check the FTP server: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201107/ You'll find FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201107-ia64-bootonly.iso and FreeBSD-9.0-CURRENT-201107-ia64-release.iso here, as well as a memory stick image. In ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/201105/ you'll also find ISO images for amd64 and i386 architectures. The current releases can be found on the FTP server at ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBS/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGE/ and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/ as well as ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/ and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-amd64/ respectively. Those are the releases. The current one is 8.2. For details, see: http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/CURRENT/relnotes/index.html No rel 9.0 i386 disc1.iso anywhere. My pc can not boot from memstick. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: get rel 9.0 iso
On Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:43:47 -0400, Fbsd8 wrote:
No rel 9.0 i386 disc1.iso anywhere. My pc can not boot from memstick.
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/i386/ISO-IMAGES/9.0/
A FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-{i386|amd64}-bootonly.iso and
FreeBSD-9.0-BETA2-{i386|amd64}-dvd1.iso are available.
Note that this is just a BETA, _not_ a RELEASE.
If your system can boot at least from CD, the bootonly should
be fine (if you can then continue installation via Internet);
if you don't have a machine connected, the DVD #1 will be a
good tool (as a DVD-capable drive should be assumed as common
equipment today).
--
Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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