Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 11:19:00AM -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 01:25:35PM -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > >> > >> You can fork the code, rename it, whatever, but you can NOT change > >> the license without explicit permission from the original copyright > >> owner. That would be legally considered theft! > > > > Incorrect. It would be legally considered copyright infringement. > > Copyright law is not property law, and both different laws *and* > > different terms apply. "Theft" is not a term legally applied to > > copyright infringement -- at least, in any jurisdiction of which I'm even > > vaguely aware of the state of copyright law. > > > > "That would be legally considered copyright infringement!" > > I was referring to stealing intellectual property, which can be a > synonym of copyright violation, depending on the country law. In my > country, for instance, computer programs are considered intellectual > property but they are also subjected to author rights, just like books > and paintings [1,2] . The term "Intellectual Property" is essentially an invention of people who wished copyright, patent, and trademark bodies of law were treated more like actual property law. Saying something is "intellectual property" sure makes it *sound* like violating the relevant law should be called "stealing", but it's still not theft under the law (unless you happen to live in some jurisdiction that treats this stuff in a very nonstandard manner -- I can't speak for all jurisdictions, since I know nothing about copyright law in Eritrea, for instance). Not only is copyright not *legally* considered theft, but it is not *practically* equivalent to theft, either. In theft, a person has a thing in his or her possession, and the thief takes it away. There is no thing in a copyright holder's possession that is taken away when copyright is infringed. The common excuse for calling it theft is reference to the copyright holder's profits being "stolen", but because those profits do not even exist yet at the time of the copyright infringement, they are not literally being "taken away". > > References (in Portuguese) > > [1] http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Leis/L9609.htm > [2] http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Leis/L9610.htm Alas, I do not read Portuguese. Maybe in Portugal the word for "theft" is defined differently than here, so that it applies not to property per se, but to any illegal act of acquisition; that is not a jurisdiction whose copyright laws are familiar to me. I rather doubt it, though, because a legal definition of theft that is applicable to copyright would fail to account for actual theft of actual property of naturally limited abundance. Given an example with which I am more familiar (the United States), though, I cite Dowling v. US: The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. Dowling v. US specfically set forth for those who wished to define bootleg recordings as "stolen property" the details for why this was not an appropriate definition, and rejected outright and in all its particulars the concept that copyright infringement is theft in any legal sense of the term. The reasoning is summed up in the above two-sentence quote from the Dowling v. US decision. The economic principle that differentiates copyright infringement from property theft is that of rivalry. A rival good is one whose use by one consumer prevents the use by another, whereas a nonrival good is one whose use by one consumer does not interfere with the use by another. Copyright infringement is illegal acquisition, by a consumer, of a nonrival good; property theft is illegal acquisition, by a consumer, of a rival good. Copyright violation does not deprive anyone else of the opportunity to acquire or use the good in question, whereas property theft *does*, accounting for the differences of legal status for acquisition between rival and nonrival goods. Thomas Jefferson, in discussions of the idea of copyright and patent law before such were even included in the US Constitution, made this distinction as well: He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpPf5y4U19ZR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 01:25:35PM -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: >> >> You can fork the code, rename it, whatever, but you can NOT change >> the license without explicit permission from the original copyright >> owner. That would be legally considered theft! > > Incorrect. It would be legally considered copyright infringement. > Copyright law is not property law, and both different laws *and* > different terms apply. "Theft" is not a term legally applied to > copyright infringement -- at least, in any jurisdiction of which I'm even > vaguely aware of the state of copyright law. > > "That would be legally considered copyright infringement!" I was referring to stealing intellectual property, which can be a synonym of copyright violation, depending on the country law. In my country, for instance, computer programs are considered intellectual property but they are also subjected to author rights, just like books and paintings [1,2] . > There. I fixed it for you. Thanks for the clarification, anyway. References (in Portuguese) [1] http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Leis/L9609.htm [2] http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/Leis/L9610.htm -- My preferred quotation of Robert Louis Stevenson is "You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs". Not because I like the omelettes, but because I like the sound of eggs being broken. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Wed, Oct 07, 2009 at 01:25:35PM -0300, Carlos A. M. dos Santos wrote: > > You can fork the code, rename it, whathever, but you can NOT change > the license without explicit permission from the original copyright > owner. That would be legally considered theft! Incorrect. It would be legally considered copyright infringement. Copyright law is not property law, and both different laws *and* different terms apply. "Theft" is not a term legally applied to copyright infringement -- at least, in any jurisdiction of which I'm even vaguely aware of the state of copyright law. "That would be legally considered copyright infringement!" There. I fixed it for you. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpZ8WykjV5jQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
2009/10/6 Renato Botelho : > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: >> * Mark Linimon (lini...@lonesome.com) wrote: >> >>> The author orginally contacted us with a legal threat because we were >>> not in compliance with the 28-day clause. A long, acrimonious disucssion >>> ensued. In that discussion, the author was asked "if we agree to meet >>> that condition going forward, would you guarantee that this would remove >>> any further legal threat?" and he said yes ... >>> >>> for now. >>> >>> But that he reserved the right to change his mind later. >>> >>> *depending* on what we did or did not do in the future -- not just in >>> adhering to the *existing clauses* like the "significant" clause or >>> "renamed" clause -- both of which he mentioned would be part of any >>> lawsuit. >>> >>> Legally indefensible? Of course. Would that prevent a lawsuit being >>> filed? No. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. >> >> Well, if you insist I of course won't commit it. But the whole thing >> disappoints me greately, cause I was pretty sure at least FreeBSD >> developers won't be affected by a mere FUD. Do you honestly think >> the probability of Tuomo suing us is higher of, say, me suing, well, >> us? And that anything will change by us not providing a port we >> have absolutely totally utterly 100% right to provide? That is >> just silly. >> >> The port from now on is available here (removed from people.freebsd.org): >> http://mirror.amdmi3.ru/ports/ion3-20090110.port.tar > > You can start a fork of it, change its name, its license, and keep it as > a separate project... people will use the same software with another > name. You can fork the code, rename it, whathever, but you can NOT change the license without explicit permission from the original copyright owner. That would be legally considered theft! > Everybody will be happy and we won't have a Tuomo's software inside > ports collection again. It would be Tuomo's software anyway, regardless what you renamed it to, and his ownership would still prevail. Feel free to dislike his behavior but keep compliant to his rights unless you are whiling to face a lawsuit. -- My preferred quotation of Robert Louis Stevenson is "You cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs". Not because I like the omelettes, but because I like the sound of eggs being broken. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > * Mark Linimon (lini...@lonesome.com) wrote: > >> The author orginally contacted us with a legal threat because we were >> not in compliance with the 28-day clause. A long, acrimonious disucssion >> ensued. In that discussion, the author was asked "if we agree to meet >> that condition going forward, would you guarantee that this would remove >> any further legal threat?" and he said yes ... >> >> for now. >> >> But that he reserved the right to change his mind later. >> >> *depending* on what we did or did not do in the future -- not just in >> adhering to the *existing clauses* like the "significant" clause or >> "renamed" clause -- both of which he mentioned would be part of any >> lawsuit. >> >> Legally indefensible? Of course. Would that prevent a lawsuit being >> filed? No. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. > > Well, if you insist I of course won't commit it. But the whole thing > disappoints me greately, cause I was pretty sure at least FreeBSD > developers won't be affected by a mere FUD. Do you honestly think > the probability of Tuomo suing us is higher of, say, me suing, well, > us? And that anything will change by us not providing a port we > have absolutely totally utterly 100% right to provide? That is > just silly. > > The port from now on is available here (removed from people.freebsd.org): > http://mirror.amdmi3.ru/ports/ion3-20090110.port.tar You can start a fork of it, change its name, its license, and keep it as a separate project... people will use the same software with another name. Everybody will be happy and we won't have a Tuomo's software inside ports collection again. -- Renato Botelho ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Fri 02 Oct 2009 at 15:44:07 PDT Russell Jackson wrote: I think most of us ion refugees have moved on to xmonad. While it isn't quite the same as ion, the xmonad developers don't have any philosophical issues supporting xft and xinerama. The only gripe I have is the blasted Haskel config file. Arr! FWIW, there are some other tiling window managers in the portstree that are worth considering: dwm awesome wmii musca i3 ratpoison stumpwm And I probably missed a few more. :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
Albert Shih wrote: > Hi all > > I'm trying to compile > > http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/download.html > > on my FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 and didn't success > > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe someone > have the patch file for the system.mk ? > > Long time ago ion ports was kick off from the ports system because the will > of the developper (please don't troll). I just saw the license just change > maybe now it's possible to put again ion in the ports system ? > > I would like to help for the ports but as you can see I unable to build for > myself. > I think most of us ion refugees have moved on to xmonad. While it isn't quite the same as ion, the xmonad developers don't have any philosophical issues supporting xft and xinerama. The only gripe I have is the blasted Haskel config file. Arr! -- Russell A. Jackson Network Analyst California State University, Bakersfield signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 04:44:01PM -0500, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 05:32:31PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > > Do you honestly think the probability of Tuomo suing us is higher of, > > say, me suing, well, us? > > Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. And I believe reading the entire > thread when this first came up supports my claim. > I've expressed my concern and agreement with Mark on this topic earlier, but I'd like to reitterate the problem. From the earlier mails with the author and reading the new license, which is LGPL with, in legal terms, vaguely defined exceptions, we as the FreeBSD project have to err on the safe side and not add this software again unless the author explicitly and publicly retracts his earlier legal threats. This is not a case common sense but of legal terms, and given the fluffy formulation of the license, even in it's new form, it is unacceptable to be included in the ports tree. -erwin -- Erwin Lansing http://droso.org Prediction is very difficult especially about the futureer...@freebsd.org pgphBH2lNRKZg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 05:32:31PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > Do you honestly think the probability of Tuomo suing us is higher of, > say, me suing, well, us? Yes. That is exactly what I am saying. And I believe reading the entire thread when this first came up supports my claim. mcl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
* Mark Linimon (lini...@lonesome.com) wrote: > The author orginally contacted us with a legal threat because we were > not in compliance with the 28-day clause. A long, acrimonious disucssion > ensued. In that discussion, the author was asked "if we agree to meet > that condition going forward, would you guarantee that this would remove > any further legal threat?" and he said yes ... > > for now. > > But that he reserved the right to change his mind later. > > *depending* on what we did or did not do in the future -- not just in > adhering to the *existing clauses* like the "significant" clause or > "renamed" clause -- both of which he mentioned would be part of any > lawsuit. > > Legally indefensible? Of course. Would that prevent a lawsuit being > filed? No. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Well, if you insist I of course won't commit it. But the whole thing disappoints me greately, cause I was pretty sure at least FreeBSD developers won't be affected by a mere FUD. Do you honestly think the probability of Tuomo suing us is higher of, say, me suing, well, us? And that anything will change by us not providing a port we have absolutely totally utterly 100% right to provide? That is just silly. The port from now on is available here (removed from people.freebsd.org): http://mirror.amdmi3.ru/ports/ion3-20090110.port.tar -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 02:58:23PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > No need to, if it works fine and there are no objections for it, > I'll commit it to the tree. I insist that you not to commit it to the tree. See my other post. mcl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:45:46PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > Now it's LGPLv2.1 with the only restriction that this software may not > be significantly changed while being distributed as ion3. I hate to replay this whole issue from the beginning, but apparently there is no other way. The author orginally contacted us with a legal threat because we were not in compliance with the 28-day clause. A long, acrimonious disucssion ensued. In that discussion, the author was asked "if we agree to meet that condition going forward, would you guarantee that this would remove any further legal threat?" and he said yes ... for now. But that he reserved the right to change his mind later. *depending* on what we did or did not do in the future -- not just in adhering to the *existing clauses* like the "significant" clause or "renamed" clause -- both of which he mentioned would be part of any lawsuit. Legally indefensible? Of course. Would that prevent a lawsuit being filed? No. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Summary: What you see as "keeping a useful piece of software out of the port collection", I see as "protect the interests of a project that I have put a great deal of interest in time to." Again, I *emphasize* that this author has changed his mind in the past, mid-debate, on the interpretation of his ... unusual ... license. I also believe that it's quite likely going forward. mcl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
* Erwin Lansing (er...@freebsd.org) wrote: > The license forbids this software to be in the tree, so with my portmgr > hat on I ask you not to add this to the tree again. It no longer does: http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/ion-general/2009-September/002520.html Now it's LGPLv2.1 with the only restriction that this software may not be significantly changed while being distributed as ion3. We do not significantly change it, only paches affect the build system, they are required to build (and are expected by the author judging by comments in system.mk), and are not visible for a user. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 03:14:17PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > * Mark Linimon (lini...@lonesome.com) wrote: > > > As a reminder, the last time this software was in the ports tree, the > > developer threatened us with a lawsuit. This repeats what he has > > previously done to several other BSDs and several Linux distributions. > > This is why ports for his software are no longer available for these > > platforms. > > > > Whether the license has changed or not, the fact that the author feels > > the desire to use lawsuits to achieve his goals makes his software too > > much of a liability for FreeBSD to redistribute. > > Well we can set RESTRICTED if that's a problem, then we will not be > distributing anything. I can mirror a distfile under my personal > responsibility. The license forbids this software to be in the tree, so with my portmgr hat on I ask you not to add this to the tree again. > > Actually I think that the weirdnesses of an author should not be a > reason against using useful software or making it available for use Such is the legal system, and we are at the authors whim. -erwin > by other people, if there's no real legal threat. They may be a cause > for stagnation/death of a project, but that's another story. > As another argument, Debian and Ubuntu haven't ever removed packages > for ion3, just making a user agree with that the software may be > obsolete and unsupported. I believe they know what they're doing. > > But I'll still mail ahze (who removed the port) and adamw (who > maintained it last). > > -- > Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D > amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru > ___ > freebsd-po...@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- Erwin Lansing http://droso.org Prediction is very difficult especially about the futureer...@freebsd.org pgpcXfEUHWzCO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
* Mark Linimon (lini...@lonesome.com) wrote: > As a reminder, the last time this software was in the ports tree, the > developer threatened us with a lawsuit. This repeats what he has > previously done to several other BSDs and several Linux distributions. > This is why ports for his software are no longer available for these > platforms. > > Whether the license has changed or not, the fact that the author feels > the desire to use lawsuits to achieve his goals makes his software too > much of a liability for FreeBSD to redistribute. Well we can set RESTRICTED if that's a problem, then we will not be distributing anything. I can mirror a distfile under my personal responsibility. Actually I think that the weirdnesses of an author should not be a reason against using useful software or making it available for use by other people, if there's no real legal threat. They may be a cause for stagnation/death of a project, but that's another story. As another argument, Debian and Ubuntu haven't ever removed packages for ion3, just making a user agree with that the software may be obsolete and unsupported. I believe they know what they're doing. But I'll still mail ahze (who removed the port) and adamw (who maintained it last). -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
* Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > Thanks for Dmitry for this ports. I'm going to keep this thing somewhere No need to, if it works fine and there are no objections for it, I'll commit it to the tree. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
Le 30/09/2009 à 11:19:15-0500, Mark Linimon a écrit > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 03:05:08PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > > I've seen the license change too. I'm working on the port currently. > > As a reminder, the last time this software was in the ports tree, the > developer threatened us with a lawsuit. This repeats what he has > previously done to several other BSDs and several Linux distributions. > This is why ports for his software are no longer available for these > platforms. > > Whether the license has changed or not, the fact that the author feels > the desire to use lawsuits to achieve his goals makes his software too > much of a liability for FreeBSD to redistribute. > Well I think you decision is already take so I'm not going argue with you. Just little information : As I understand Tuomo Valkonen as stop the developement of this software. Here is what he say : «I have recently given up on the failure known as Linux, and switched to Windows. As I thus probably won't be working much on Ion3 anymore, and since it seems very stable anyway, the 28-day clause in the license should serve little practical purpose anymore. It has therefore been lifted.» --> http://www.modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/news.html Anyway if you don't want that ports I can understand easily why. That make me sad, but thanks to Dmitry I can use ion-3 and because ion-3 not going to evolve I'm going to keep that «pseudo-ports» in some «safe»-place. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: Mer 30 sep 2009 21:51:13 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
Le 30/09/2009 à 18:58:43+0200, Albert Shih a écrit > Le 30/09/2009 à 17:27:46+0200, Gary Jennejohn a écrit > > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:59:25 +0200 > > Albert Shih wrote: > > > > > Le 30/09/2009 __ 18:45:35+0400, Dmitry Marakasov a __crit > > > > * Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe > > > > > someone > > > > > have the patch file for the system.mk ? > > > > > > > > Please try this: > > > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/ion3.tar > > > > > > > > It builds file in tinderbox, but I haven't tested how it works yet. > > > > > > I'm happy to see I'm not the only ET > > > (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/) > > > to like this wm ;-) > > > > > > Well I've just try you tarbut it's not working. > > > > > > > Not a very useful "error" message. > > You right. > > > > > I just installed it (9-CURRENT AMD64) and it works just fine for me. At > > least, the basic functionality seems to be there. > > You right again > > It's work...I don't known why (I'm not a FreeBSD-ports guru...) if I try to > build outside the ports tree, just with the patch file it's don't wokr. > > But inside de ports tree it's working. > and after 3h of using, I think the ports is good. You save «my life» ;-) Thanks again. Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: Mer 30 sep 2009 21:38:11 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
Le 30/09/2009 à 17:27:46+0200, Gary Jennejohn a écrit > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:59:25 +0200 > Albert Shih wrote: > > > Le 30/09/2009 __ 18:45:35+0400, Dmitry Marakasov a __crit > > > * Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > > > > > > > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe > > > > someone > > > > have the patch file for the system.mk ? > > > > > > Please try this: > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/ion3.tar > > > > > > It builds file in tinderbox, but I haven't tested how it works yet. > > > > I'm happy to see I'm not the only ET (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/) > > to like this wm ;-) > > > > Well I've just try you tarbut it's not working. > > > > Not a very useful "error" message. You right. > > I just installed it (9-CURRENT AMD64) and it works just fine for me. At > least, the basic functionality seems to be there. You right again It's work...I don't known why (I'm not a FreeBSD-ports guru...) if I try to build outside the ports tree, just with the patch file it's don't wokr. But inside de ports tree it's working. I'm using FreeBSD-8.0-RC1 with all ports up2date. Thanks for Dmitry for this ports. I'm going to keep this thing somewhere Regards. -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: Mer 30 sep 2009 18:56:32 CEST ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 03:05:08PM +0400, Dmitry Marakasov wrote: > I've seen the license change too. I'm working on the port currently. As a reminder, the last time this software was in the ports tree, the developer threatened us with a lawsuit. This repeats what he has previously done to several other BSDs and several Linux distributions. This is why ports for his software are no longer available for these platforms. Whether the license has changed or not, the fact that the author feels the desire to use lawsuits to achieve his goals makes his software too much of a liability for FreeBSD to redistribute. mcl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:59:25 +0200 Albert Shih wrote: > Le 30/09/2009 __ 18:45:35+0400, Dmitry Marakasov a __crit > > * Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > > > > > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe someone > > > have the patch file for the system.mk ? > > > > Please try this: > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/ion3.tar > > > > It builds file in tinderbox, but I haven't tested how it works yet. > > I'm happy to see I'm not the only ET (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/) > to like this wm ;-) > > Well I've just try you tarbut it's not working. > Not a very useful "error" message. I just installed it (9-CURRENT AMD64) and it works just fine for me. At least, the basic functionality seems to be there. I didn't do more testing because I can't stand it. --- Gary Jennejohn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
Le 30/09/2009 à 18:45:35+0400, Dmitry Marakasov a écrit > * Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > > > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe someone > > have the patch file for the system.mk ? > > Please try this: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/ion3.tar > > It builds file in tinderbox, but I haven't tested how it works yet. I'm happy to see I'm not the only ET (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/) to like this wm ;-) Well I've just try you tarbut it's not working. Finally after 3 h I get a system.mk working. I'm sure every normal developper can do better. But for me I've my ion working ;-) Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH SIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: Mer 30 sep 2009 16:56:08 CEST ## ## System settings ## ## ## Installation paths ## # Installation path prefix. Unless you know what you're doing, the default # of /usr/local is likely the correct choice. PREFIX=/usr/local # Unless you are creating a package conforming to some OS's standards, you # probably do not want to modify the following directories: # Main binaries BINDIR=$(PREFIX)/bin # Configuration .lua files ETCDIR=$(PREFIX)/etc/ion3 # Some .lua files and ion-* shell scripts SHAREDIR=$(PREFIX)/share/ion3 # Manual pages MANDIR=$(PREFIX)/share/man # Some documents DOCDIR=$(PREFIX)/share/doc/ion3 # Nothing at the moment INCDIR=$(PREFIX)/include/ion3 # Nothing at the moment LIBDIR=$(PREFIX)/lib # Modules MODULEDIR=$(LIBDIR)/ion3/mod # Compiled Lua source code LCDIR=$(LIBDIR)/ion3/lc # ion-completefile (does not belong in SHAREDIR being a binary file) EXTRABINDIR=$(LIBDIR)/ion3/bin # For ion-completeman system-wide cache VARDIR=/var/cache/ion3 # Message catalogs LOCALEDIR=$(PREFIX)/share/locale # Executable suffix (for Cygwin). #BIN_SUFFIX = .exe ## ## Modules ## # Set PRELOAD_MODULES=1 if your system does not support dynamically loaded # modules through 'libdl' or has non-standard naming conventions. # You will likely need this option on e.g. Cygwin and Mac OS X. #PRELOAD_MODULES=1 # Flags to link with libdl. Even if PRELOAD_MODULES=1, you may need this # setting (for e.g. Lua, when not instructed by pkg-config). #DL_LIBS=-ldl ## ## Lua ## # If you have installed Lua 5.1 from the official tarball without changing # paths, this should do it. LUA_DIR=/usr/local LUA_LIBS = -L$(LUA_DIR)/lib/lua51 -llua LUA_INCLUDES = -I$(LUA_DIR)/include/lua51 LUA=$(LUA_DIR)/bin/lua-5.1 LUAC=$(LUA_DIR)/bin/luac-5.1 # If you are using the Debian packages, the following settings should be # what you want. #LUA_LIBS=`pkg-config --libs lua5.1` #LUA_INCLUDES=`pkg-config --cflags lua5.1` #LUA=/usr/bin/lua5.1 #LUAC=/usr/bin/luac5.1 ## ## X libraries, includes and options ## # Paths X11_PREFIX=/usr/local # SunOS/Solaris #X11_PREFIX=/usr/openwin X11_LIBS=-L$(X11_PREFIX)/lib -lX11 -lXext X11_INCLUDES=-I$(X11_PREFIX)/include # XFree86 libraries up to 4.3.0 have a bug that can cause a segfault. # The following setting should work around that situation. DEFINES += -DCF_XFREE86_TEXTPROP_BUG_WORKAROUND # Use the Xutf8 routines (XFree86 extension) instead of the Xmb routines # in an UTF-8 locale. (No, you don't need this in UTF-8 locales, and # most likely don't even want. It's only there because both Xmb and # Xutf8 routines are broken, in different ways.) #DEFINES += -DCF_DE_USE_XUTF8 # Remap F11 key to SunF36 and F12 to SunF37? You may want to set this # on SunOS. #DEFINES += -DCF_SUN_F1X_REMAP ## ## Localisation ## # If you're on an archaic system (such as relatively recent *BSD releases) # without even dummy multibyte/widechar and localisation support, you may # have to uncomment the following line: DEFINES += -DCF_NO_LOCALE -DCF_NO_GETTEXT # On some other systems you may need to explicitly link against libintl. #EXTRA_LIBS += -lintl # You may also need to give the location of its headers. The following # should work on Mac OS X (which needs the above option as well) with # macports. #EXTRA_INCLUDES += -I/opt/local/include ## ## libc ## # You may uncomment this if you know that your system C libary provides # asprintf and vasprintf. (GNU libc does.) If HAS_SYSTEM_ASPRINTF is not # defined, an implementation provided in libtu/sprintf_2.2/ is used. #HAS_SYSTEM_ASPRINTF=1 # The following setting is needed with GNU libc for clock_gettime and the # monotonic clock. Other systems may not need it, or may not provide a # monotonic clock at all (which Ion can live with, and usually detect). EXTRA_LIBS += -lrt # Cygwin needs this. #DEFINES += -DCF_NO_GETLOADAVG # # If you're using/have gcc, it is unlikely that you need to modify # any of the settings below this line. # # ## ## C compiler. ## CC=gcc # Same as '-Wall -pedantic' without '-Wunused' as callbacks often # have unused variables. WARN= -W -Wimplicit -Wre
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
* Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe someone > have the patch file for the system.mk ? Please try this: http://people.freebsd.org/~amdmi3/ion3.tar It builds file in tinderbox, but I haven't tested how it works yet. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: ion windows manager on FreeBSD
* Albert Shih (albert.s...@obspm.fr) wrote: > I'm trying to compile > > http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/ion/download.html > > on my FreeBSD 8.0-RC1 and didn't success > > I would like to known if anyone can help me make ion work ? Maybe someone > have the patch file for the system.mk ? > > Long time ago ion ports was kick off from the ports system because the will > of the developper (please don't troll). I just saw the license just change > maybe now it's possible to put again ion in the ports system ? > > I would like to help for the ports but as you can see I unable to build for > myself. I've seen the license change too. I'm working on the port currently. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amd...@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amd...@jabber.ruhttp://www.amdmi3.ru ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
