Re: resizing my slices/partitions - was pruning the Ports tree
On Sat, Jul 10, 2004 at 03:50:08PM -0600, Bill Moran wrote: Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recently installing a full ports tree I find that my FBSD /usr slice is almost out of file handles. This is very unusual. There are generally more than enough inodes so that you don't run out of inodes before you run out of space. Did you use I don't think it's that unusual for a small slice. For example I recently installed FreeBSD on a 1.44GB hard drive, using the auto-defaults, and I ran out of inodes on /usr before sysinstall was finished installing the ports collection. That's when I learned about those options to newfs. It's only the inodes / block averaged over time figure that matters when determining the proper ratio. Some activities (like installing the ports collection) use a lot of inodes / block, but that doesn't mean the steady- state use of the system will continue to consume inodes at the same prodigious rate. The OP will probably be fine by giving himself twice the inodes on that partition. -- Danny MacMillan ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: resizing my slices/partitions - was pruning the Ports tree
[Please wrap your lines around 72 chars or so ... see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html ] Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all: I would like to expand my FreeBSD partion on the hard drive of which it only has 60%. The rest of the HD holds an old installation of Win98. When I first installed FBSD 4.8 I used Partition Magic to carve off 1.2G of a 2.0G HD and give me dual boot capability so as to retain the Win98.After recently installing a full ports tree I find that my FBSD /usr slice is almost out of file handles. This is very unusual. There are generally more than enough inodes so that you don't run out of inodes before you run out of space. Did you use custom options to newfs when you created the filesystem? Do you have a TON of small files? You may want to just ckeck the filesystem and see what's eating up all the inodes to make sure it isn't something you can just delete. My /usr filesystem is 10G, and the defaults created over 1 million inodes. I'm using 2.7G and 170,000 inodes, which means I'll run out of space when I still have 1/2-million free inodes. Of course I can blow everything away, reformat and re-install, but my preference would be to: 1) shutdown 2)use my partion magic boot disk to reformat the 800MB windows partion 3)use sysinstall to expand my /usr slice, maybe even resize some of the others Perhaps I can do this all with sysintall without even shutting down? I have not used that program since my original install 6 months ago so am not sure of its capabilities, weaknesses and strengths. You've got the right idea, but you're a little off. _Assuming_ your Windows partition is the last partition on the HDD, and the /usr partition is second to last, the following will work: 1) BACK UP any important data ... this procedure is easy to screw up! 2) Use PM or something similar to remove the Win partition and expenad the BSD partition to take up the space used by Win. You can also use BSD's disklabel and related utilities to do this (in single-user mode). 3) Boot FreeBSD into single-user mode 4) Use growfs to increase the size of the /usr filesystem to take up the partition. Since inodes are laid out in as a ration of #inodes/block, newfs will add more inodes in ration to the amount of space added. My point is that if you continue to use the filesystem in this manner, you're still going to run out of inodes before you fill the drive (even with the increased space). Although, this is a valid short-term fix that will provide you with more inodes. Depending on what you want to accomplish (long term) you may want to take the time now to backup this filesystem and re-newfs it with a value for -i that's appropriate. See the man page for newfs for more details. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: resizing my slices/partitions - was pruning the Ports tree
Hello Bill: Thanks again for your help. Does the line wrap look better now? I reduced from 76 to 66. Regarding inodes - /usr is 778MB and began with 99,838 inodes. That would jive approximately with your million for 10G drive. It now has 96M of free space but only 590 inodes remaining.This heavy drain on inodes occurred when I downloaded the full Ports tree a month or so ago. Not sure of the numbers but it was clearly a TON of small files :--). /usr is /dev/ad0s2g - I cannot remember from my install but think that Windows may be the first partition..?? You said: _Assuming_ your Windows partition is the last partition on the HDD, and the /usr partition is second to last, the following will work: 1) BACK UP any important data ... this procedure is easy to screw up! 2) Use PM or something similar to remove the Win partition and expenad the BSD partition to take up the space used by Win. You can also use BSD's disklabel and related utilities to do this (in single-user mode). 3) Boot FreeBSD into single-user mode 4) Use growfs to increase the size of the /usr filesystem to take up the partition. I suspect that since the Ports download is an infrequent deal and most of my other files are much larger than the 500B or so of the Ports that the problem will be alleviated by adding space with a proportional number of nodes - (provided the next Ports update does not leave me with tons of debris) I will do some hunting for info on single user mode and growfs before proceeding. Is it necessary for me to user single user mode if I am the only user? I can of course restrict myself to a single logon. Thanks again for such really good help. Graham/ - Original Message - From: Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: resizing my slices/partitions - was pruning the Ports tree [Please wrap your lines around 72 chars or so ... see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html ] Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all: I would like to expand my FreeBSD partion on the hard drive of which it only has 60%. The rest of the HD holds an old installation of Win98. When I first installed FBSD 4.8 I used Partition Magic to carve off 1.2G of a 2.0G HD and give me dual boot capability so as to retain the Win98.After recently installing a full ports tree I find that my FBSD /usr slice is almost out of file handles. This is very unusual. There are generally more than enough inodes so that you don't run out of inodes before you run out of space. Did you use custom options to newfs when you created the filesystem? Do you have a TON of small files? You may want to just ckeck the filesystem and see what's eating up all the inodes to make sure it isn't something you can just delete. My /usr filesystem is 10G, and the defaults created over 1 million inodes. I'm using 2.7G and 170,000 inodes, which means I'll run out of space when I still have 1/2-million free inodes. Of course I can blow everything away, reformat and re-install, but my preference would be to: 1) shutdown 2)use my partion magic boot disk to reformat the 800MB windows partion 3)use sysinstall to expand my /usr slice, maybe even resize some of the others Perhaps I can do this all with sysintall without even shutting down? I have not used that program since my original install 6 months ago so am not sure of its capabilities, weaknesses and strengths. You've got the right idea, but you're a little off. _Assuming_ your Windows partition is the last partition on the HDD, and the /usr partition is second to last, the following will work: 1) BACK UP any important data ... this procedure is easy to screw up! 2) Use PM or something similar to remove the Win partition and expenad the BSD partition to take up the space used by Win. You can also use BSD's disklabel and related utilities to do this (in single-user mode). 3) Boot FreeBSD into single-user mode 4) Use growfs to increase the size of the /usr filesystem to take up the partition. Since inodes are laid out in as a ration of #inodes/block, newfs will add more inodes in ration to the amount of space added. My point is that if you continue to use the filesystem in this manner, you're still going to run out of inodes before you fill the drive (even with the increased space). Although, this is a valid short-term fix that will provide you with more inodes. Depending on what you want to accomplish (long term) you may want to take the time now to backup this filesystem and re-newfs it with a value for -i that's appropriate. See the man page for newfs for more details. -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any
Re: resizing my slices/partitions - was pruning the Ports tree
Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bill: Thanks again for your help. Does the line wrap look better now? I reduced from 76 to 66. You tell me. Regarding inodes - /usr is 778MB and began with 99,838 inodes. That would jive approximately with your million for 10G drive. It now has 96M of free space but only 590 inodes remaining.This heavy drain on inodes occurred when I downloaded the full Ports tree a month or so ago. Not sure of the numbers but it was clearly a TON of small files :--). /usr is /dev/ad0s2g - I cannot remember from my install but think that Windows may be the first partition..?? If so, you're probably hosed. To add space onto a partition, the available space needs to be immediately after it. Unless Partition Magic can move things around to put the free space immediately after the /usr partition, you're not going to be able to growfs it. Last time I used PM, it didn't have much understanding of BSD filesystems, that may have changed, but I don't know. You said: _Assuming_ your Windows partition is the last partition on the HDD, and the /usr partition is second to last, the following will work: 1) BACK UP any important data ... this procedure is easy to screw up! 2) Use PM or something similar to remove the Win partition and expenad the BSD partition to take up the space used by Win. You can also use BSD's disklabel and related utilities to do this (in single-user mode). 3) Boot FreeBSD into single-user mode 4) Use growfs to increase the size of the /usr filesystem to take up the partition. I suspect that since the Ports download is an infrequent deal and most of my other files are much larger than the 500B or so of the Ports that the problem will be alleviated by adding space with a proportional number of nodes - (provided the next Ports update does not leave me with tons of debris) Yes, the ports uses a lot of inodes, as it's a lot of directories and small files. I didn't know that partition was so small. I will do some hunting for info on single user mode and growfs before proceeding. Is it necessary for me to user single user mode if I am the only user? I can of course restrict myself to a single logon. You need to be in single-user so the /usr partition is unmounted. You can't growfs a mounted partition (unless something has changed?) If you can manage to get the /usr partition unmounted in multiuser mode, that will work as well. Thanks again for such really good help. Graham/ - Original Message - From: Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 2:50 PM Subject: Re: resizing my slices/partitions - was pruning the Ports tree [Please wrap your lines around 72 chars or so ... see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html ] Graham North [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all: I would like to expand my FreeBSD partion on the hard drive of which it only has 60%. The rest of the HD holds an old installation of Win98. When I first installed FBSD 4.8 I used Partition Magic to carve off 1.2G of a 2.0G HD and give me dual boot capability so as to retain the Win98.After recently installing a full ports tree I find that my FBSD /usr slice is almost out of file handles. This is very unusual. There are generally more than enough inodes so that you don't run out of inodes before you run out of space. Did you use custom options to newfs when you created the filesystem? Do you have a TON of small files? You may want to just ckeck the filesystem and see what's eating up all the inodes to make sure it isn't something you can just delete. My /usr filesystem is 10G, and the defaults created over 1 million inodes. I'm using 2.7G and 170,000 inodes, which means I'll run out of space when I still have 1/2-million free inodes. Of course I can blow everything away, reformat and re-install, but my preference would be to: 1) shutdown 2)use my partion magic boot disk to reformat the 800MB windows partion 3)use sysinstall to expand my /usr slice, maybe even resize some of the others Perhaps I can do this all with sysintall without even shutting down? I have not used that program since my original install 6 months ago so am not sure of its capabilities, weaknesses and strengths. You've got the right idea, but you're a little off. _Assuming_ your Windows partition is the last partition on the HDD, and the /usr partition is second to last, the following will work: 1) BACK UP any important data ... this procedure is easy to screw up! 2) Use PM or something similar to remove the Win partition and expenad the BSD partition to take up the space used by Win. You can also use BSD's disklabel and related utilities to do this (in single-user mode). 3) Boot FreeBSD into single-user mode 4) Use
