Re: freebsd installation order
pwn wrote: [snip] on this page http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html it says: Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to build the kernel: It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile, but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to bother speeding them up trivial amounts. Basically, this is saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others. This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel builds. [snip] i got it =), although, imho kernel builds always affect system performance.(maybe not in general) i was just asking myself a away for simplify at extreme this tasks that sometime can take many time, i guess after configure FreeBSD on a machine i should copy some configuration files like, /etc/make.conf and a custom kernel in attempt to avoid repetitive tasks. Note the docs are a little out of date wrt to 7.x and newer. While the make.conf will still be used by gcc when building ports software(s), for the system/kernel/modules this functionality has been moved to /etc/src.conf. Reading man src.conf will explain the details. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freebsd installation order
immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
On Wed 2008-10-29 13:43:23 UTC+, pwn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. Re: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel. Depending on your hardware and software requirements you may need to configure the supplied GENERIC kernel, or perhaps even build your own custom kernel and configure that. These days I think many people just use the GENERIC kernel and configure it from /boot/loader.conf. For a desktop machine it may just be a single entry to load a kernel module for your sound card. If you do use a GENERIC kernel this has the advantage that you can run freebsd-update whenever there are important security updates to the kernel itself, and then those updates become immediately active after a reboot. There is no need to rebuild the kernel, and very little downtime. Re: The Cutting Edge. In simple terms I would not bother with any of this unless you want to be actively involved in the development of the operating system. If you just want something that works reliably, stick with FreeBSD-RELEASE and use freebsd-update when you want to upgrade your FreeBSD version (eg. from 6.3 to 6.4). freebsd-update is brilliant and really makes updating fairly painless. Which leads me to... Re: Updating FreeBSD. Every FreeBSD sysadmin should read this. You should know how to install packages from the command-line using pkg_add (see the section called Installing Applications: Packages and Ports), and if you want to use the Ports system, learn how to use portsnap (another brilliant tool). Also, if you're using the Ports system (to build and install software from source code) I also recommend using portmaster, which isn't talked about in the Handbook, but is leaps and bounds over portupgrade (my personal opinion). thank you. Regards Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
andrew clarke escreveu: On Wed 2008-10-29 13:43:23 UTC+, pwn ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. Re: Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel. Depending on your hardware and software requirements you may need to configure the supplied GENERIC kernel, or perhaps even build your own custom kernel and configure that. These days I think many people just use the GENERIC kernel and configure it from /boot/loader.conf. For a desktop machine it may just be a single entry to load a kernel module for your sound card. If you do use a GENERIC kernel this has the advantage that you can run freebsd-update whenever there are important security updates to the kernel itself, and then those updates become immediately active after a reboot. There is no need to rebuild the kernel, and very little downtime. Re: The Cutting Edge. In simple terms I would not bother with any of this unless you want to be actively involved in the development of the operating system. If you just want something that works reliably, stick with FreeBSD-RELEASE and use freebsd-update when you want to upgrade your FreeBSD version (eg. from 6.3 to 6.4). freebsd-update is brilliant and really makes updating fairly painless. Which leads me to... Re: Updating FreeBSD. Every FreeBSD sysadmin should read this. You should know how to install packages from the command-line using pkg_add (see the section called Installing Applications: Packages and Ports), and if you want to use the Ports system, learn how to use portsnap (another brilliant tool). Also, if you're using the Ports system (to build and install software from source code) I also recommend using portmaster, which isn't talked about in the Handbook, but is leaps and bounds over portupgrade (my personal opinion). thank you. Regards Andrew Andrew, nice answer very enlightening, the steps you mention im already familiar with them. at this moment im using a customised kernel, FreeBSD 7.1-PRERELEASE and all ports tree updated, i just want to know the ascending order that should be followed after an installation, thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if nothing is critical, just skip that. Then, install what ports you want and start running. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't do that. Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull in the latest security fixes with update. jerry there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if nothing is critical, just skip that. Then, install what ports you want and start running. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't do that. Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull in the latest security fixes with update. jerry just to clarify I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example) As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought. there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote: Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if nothing is critical, just skip that. Then, install what ports you want and start running. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't do that. Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull in the latest security fixes with update. jerry just to clarify I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ Yup. That is what I use. Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example) Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel. Just limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not in by default - some drivers, maybe. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought. So, yup. You seem to have it. jerry there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote: Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if nothing is critical, just skip that. Then, install what ports you want and start running. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't do that. Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull in the latest security fixes with update. jerry just to clarify I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ Yup. That is what I use. Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example) Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel. Just limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not in by default - some drivers, maybe. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought. So, yup. You seem to have it. jerry on this page http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html it says: Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to build the kernel: isnt enought editing the configuration file? part of the devices listed there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, why the use of /etc/make.conf ? also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time? there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:16PM +, pwn wrote: Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote: Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if nothing is critical, just skip that. Then, install what ports you want and start running. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't do that. Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull in the latest security fixes with update. jerry just to clarify I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ Yup. That is what I use. Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example) Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel. Just limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not in by default - some drivers, maybe. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought. So, yup. You seem to have it. jerry on this page http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html it says: Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to build the kernel: It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile, but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to bother speeding them up trivial amounts. Basically, this is saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others. This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel builds. jerry isnt enought editing the configuration file? part of the devices listed there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, why the use of /etc/make.conf ? also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time? there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd installation order
Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 06:39:16PM +, pwn wrote: Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 05:56:01PM +, pwn wrote: Jerry McAllister escreveu: On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:43:23PM +, pwn wrote: immediately after the installation of FreeBSD what steps should be performed by order 1 - Configuring the FreeBSD Kernel 2 - The Cutting Edge 3 - Updating FreeBSD Is this the proper order? I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel - or if nothing is critical, just skip that. Then, install what ports you want and start running. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? If so, if you are using it to get in on FreeBSD development, then do that now and daily.If it is a server for something, then don't do that. Just periodically or if some important patch comes put, pull in the latest security fixes with update. jerry just to clarify I would say, first update FreeBSD src and rebuild. Then update the ports tree Re:both this task can be done using csup or cvsup and using the samples provided in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ Yup. That is what I use. Then, if you must, configure a custom kernel Re:(taking a look on hardware and editing generic for example) Unless you are running something where absolute maximum performance is critical, don't bother removing things from the kernel. Just limit customizing to adding those things you need that are not in by default - some drivers, maybe. As for cutting edge, do you mean tracking CURRENT? Re:yes, but i dont want get in on FreeBSD dev team, so i guess STABLE is enought. So, yup. You seem to have it. jerry on this page http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html it says: Tip: By default, when you build a custom kernel, all kernel modules will be rebuilt as well. If you want to update a kernel faster or to build only custom modules, you should edit /etc/make.conf before starting to build the kernel: It would take more time to edit /etc/make.conf than you would save in the kernel build.If you are doing lots of kernel builds while doing development, maybe then this would be worthwhile, but kernel builds do not take enough time on modern machines to bother speeding them up trivial amounts. Basically, this is saying you can fix things up so that it only builds those modules that you are changing when you do a rebuild and skips the others. This is not relevant to general system performance, just kernel builds. jerry i got it =), although, imho kernel builds always affect system performance.(maybe not in general) i was just asking myself a away for simplify at extreme this tasks that sometime can take many time, i guess after configure FreeBSD on a machine i should copy some configuration files like, /etc/make.conf and a custom kernel in attempt to avoid repetitive tasks. isnt enought editing the configuration file? part of the devices listed there use modules that do not interest me which can i delete or comment, why the use of /etc/make.conf ? also, its possible to automate all this pos-installation tasks in order to get things running fast and optimized? (i know /etc/make.conf can be used for this) but there are other methods that require spendless time? there is some set of rules to be followed post-installation? since, i do not find any reference mentioning the order that should be followed immediately after installation i would like to be informed if possible what will be the proper order to facilitate the maintenance of the operating system and the installation of new applications without conflicts or problems with ports. thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
