[OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child

2007-11-12 Thread Pollywog
On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote:

 I wish it wasn't this way.  Maybe it's just in the schools I visited?
 If so, anyone have a better experience?  Until I hear of some, I won't
 contribute to any computers for kids deal, because  it only benefits
 big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids.

It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but 
the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to 
schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the 
companies that sell shoes for sports, etc.  There is one large software 
company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even 
though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that 
company's software because that is the software they know.

I still think it is better for kids to know how to use computers, even if a 
few business people also benefit.

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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child

2007-11-12 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Nov 12, 2007, Pollywog wrote:
On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote:

 I wish it wasn't this way.  Maybe it's just in the schools I visited?
 If so, anyone have a better experience?  Until I hear of some, I won't
 contribute to any computers for kids deal, because  it only benefits
 big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids.

It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but 
the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to 
schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the 
companies that sell shoes for sports, etc.  There is one large software 
company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even 
though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that 
company's software because that is the software they know.

The biggest problem I see with computers in classrooms is that
they distract the student's attention from the teacher.  I know
that I have to back away from my computer completely when talking
on the phone, unless I'm doing direct support at the time,
because I find myself distracted from the conversation.

I'll leave it at that as I don't want to take this in the
direction of government schools as indoctrination centers.

Bill
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Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: One Laptop Per Child

2007-11-12 Thread Chuck Robey

Pollywog wrote:

On Monday 12 November 2007 19:06:28 Chuck Robey wrote:

I wish it wasn't this way.  Maybe it's just in the schools I visited?
If so, anyone have a better experience?  Until I hear of some, I won't
contribute to any computers for kids deal, because  it only benefits
big computer companies, who sell the machines, not the kids.


It is true that the companies that sell computers and software benefit, but 
the same could be said of companies that sell state-approved textbooks to 
schools (if you have seen those textbooks you know what I mean), the 
companies that sell shoes for sports, etc.  There is one large software 
company that gives some software to schools and then gets a tax cut even 
though it benefits down the line when those kids grow up to buy that 
company's software because that is the software they know.


Yeah, but in this case, I know more: a lady friend of mine was an editor 
for a large educational publishing house.  Those places (and more 
specifically the folks that work in them) are rather embarrassed at 
having to put all that garbage into state textbooks, but the state 
boards of education require it.  They don't want to do it, but they have 
to, to be able to sell their product.  The local state officials are at 
fault here, not the companies nor those who work for them.  I used to 
listen by the hour to complaints about the stupidity and cupidity of 
those state officials, from that lady.


I still think it is better for kids to know how to use computers, even if a 
few business people also benefit.


Hmm.  Several of the classes I walked into were disappointing to me, 
where the kids were made to feel good at being able to play computer 
games well.  If you think that's good for kids, it's your money, I 
suppose.  The teachers were given no training whatever in computers, so 
they had no ability to do better.  I would not contribute to such an 
item.  A program that produces better educational software, that I could 
see, but not giving computers to schools, that is very counter-productive.


Let them eat Doom!  I think we should move this to FreeBSD-chat.



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