5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread bob
I just installed 5.3 production release version and did not select
nfs server or nfs client during the install but nfs still gets
installed.
When I issue the ps -x  command I see that nsfiod 0, 1, 2 ,4 is
running.

Is this still part of a dirty release process?
This is consuming unnecessary system resources.
I though this was reported as bug during 5.0 development?
What gives here???
Am I  missing some technical reason for NFS being forced on the
default install process.

Shouldn't  this simple install error have this been corrected before
5.3 left development??



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Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 03:18:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just installed 5.3 production release version and did not select
 nfs server or nfs client during the install but nfs still gets
 installed.
 When I issue the ps -x  command I see that nsfiod 0, 1, 2 ,4 is
 running.
 
 Is this still part of a dirty release process?
 This is consuming unnecessary system resources.
 I though this was reported as bug during 5.0 development?
 What gives here???
 Am I  missing some technical reason for NFS being forced on the
 default install process.
 
 Shouldn't  this simple install error have this been corrected before
 5.3 left development??

Try to calm down, and give us enough details to investigate your
problem, e.g. a copy of your /etc/rc.conf.

Kris



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RE: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread bob
My rc.conf only contains the default serial mouse statements and the
usbd_enable statement.

I also get this msg in the boot log  Mounting NFS file systems

The only way to stop the 4 nfsoid tasks is issue a kill command on
their task number every time you boot the system  or recompile the
kernel and remove the nfs statements in the kernel source.

Answering no to the 2 questions in stand/sysinstall about nfs client
and server should have prevented those nfs tasks from starting at
boot time like in the 4.x releases.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kennaway
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 4:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG
Subject: Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 03:18:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I just installed 5.3 production release version and did not select
 nfs server or nfs client during the install but nfs still gets
 installed.
 When I issue the ps -x  command I see that nsfiod 0, 1, 2 ,4 is
 running.

 Is this still part of a dirty release process?
 This is consuming unnecessary system resources.
 I though this was reported as bug during 5.0 development?
 What gives here???
 Am I  missing some technical reason for NFS being forced on the
 default install process.

 Shouldn't  this simple install error have this been corrected
before
 5.3 left development??

Try to calm down, and give us enough details to investigate your
problem, e.g. a copy of your /etc/rc.conf.

Kris

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Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 05:31:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My rc.conf only contains the default serial mouse statements and the
 usbd_enable statement.
 
 I also get this msg in the boot log  Mounting NFS file systems
 
 The only way to stop the 4 nfsoid tasks is issue a kill command on
 their task number every time you boot the system  or recompile the
 kernel and remove the nfs statements in the kernel source.
 
 Answering no to the 2 questions in stand/sysinstall about nfs client
 and server should have prevented those nfs tasks from starting at
 boot time like in the 4.x releases.

NFS support will be dynamically loaded if you specify NFS mounts in
your /etc/fstab.  Is this the case?

Kris

P.S. Please don't top-post.

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RE: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread bob
This is a standard vanilla install from mini.iso cd with all the
sysinstall questions answered as no.
I have not made any changes to any /etc files.
What was delivered in the install is what the current content is.
The /etc/fstab as delivered does not have any nfs mounts.
This is not a configuration error on my part. This is how the 5.3
system gets installed for cd.
This is a problem with how the sysinstall process configures the
system.


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Kennaway
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 8:04 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG; Kris Kennaway
Subject: Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 05:31:41PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My rc.conf only contains the default serial mouse statements and
the
 usbd_enable statement.

 I also get this msg in the boot log  Mounting NFS file systems

 The only way to stop the 4 nfsoid tasks is issue a kill command on
 their task number every time you boot the system  or recompile the
 kernel and remove the nfs statements in the kernel source.

 Answering no to the 2 questions in stand/sysinstall about nfs
client
 and server should have prevented those nfs tasks from starting at
 boot time like in the 4.x releases.

NFS support will be dynamically loaded if you specify NFS mounts in
your /etc/fstab.  Is this the case?

Kris

P.S. Please don't top-post.

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Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 08:43:47PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a standard vanilla install from mini.iso cd with all the
 sysinstall questions answered as no.
 I have not made any changes to any /etc files.
 What was delivered in the install is what the current content is.
 The /etc/fstab as delivered does not have any nfs mounts.
 This is not a configuration error on my part. This is how the 5.3
 system gets installed for cd.
 This is a problem with how the sysinstall process configures the
 system.

The GENERIC (i.e. default) kernel is configured to allow NFS client
support, which means that the nfsiod kernel processes are spawned at
boot time.  If you don't want this, reconfigure your kernel to disable
the NFS client support.  Or don't, because the resource usage is
negligible.

Kris

P.S. You're still top-posting.  If you can't be bothered to format
your posts properly, I won't bother to help you.


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RE: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread bob
I think your missing the whole point. It's not suppose to be doing
this.  This is a release build error. In the 4.x releases the kernel
had NFS support complied into the default kernel, but when you have
no NFS statements in rc.conf those tasks in question are not auto
spawned.  Why would this behavior be changed in 5.3 to one that
consumes resources. It has to be a mistake.

If what you assert is true then when doing a source update to 5.3
why does these nfs tasks not auto spawn there.

You assertion that its designed to work that way it just plain silly
and only means you know not what you talk about.

Time to submit another bug report so maybe its gets fixed in 5.4


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Kennaway
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ORG; Kris Kennaway
Subject: Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 08:43:47PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This is a standard vanilla install from mini.iso cd with all the
 sysinstall questions answered as no.
 I have not made any changes to any /etc files.
 What was delivered in the install is what the current content is.
 The /etc/fstab as delivered does not have any nfs mounts.
 This is not a configuration error on my part. This is how the 5.3
 system gets installed for cd.
 This is a problem with how the sysinstall process configures the
 system.

The GENERIC (i.e. default) kernel is configured to allow NFS client
support, which means that the nfsiod kernel processes are spawned at
boot time.  If you don't want this, reconfigure your kernel to
disable
the NFS client support.  Or don't, because the resource usage is
negligible.

Kris

P.S. You're still top-posting.  If you can't be bothered to format
your posts properly, I won't bother to help you.

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Re: 5.3 auto starting NFS by error

2005-04-02 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Sat, Apr 02, 2005 at 09:25:42PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think your missing the whole point. It's not suppose to be doing
 this.  This is a release build error. In the 4.x releases the kernel
 had NFS support complied into the default kernel, but when you have
 no NFS statements in rc.conf those tasks in question are not auto
 spawned.  Why would this behavior be changed in 5.3 to one that
 consumes resources. It has to be a mistake.

No, it's just intentionally different behaviour (check the source code
history).  If you're really that concerned about the minuscule
resource usage involved, then you'd surely want to build your own
stripped down kernel anyway to remove the many other things in GENERIC
that you don't need, together with NFS_CLIENT.

 If what you assert is true then when doing a source update to 5.3
 why does these nfs tasks not auto spawn there.

They do, if you have NFS_CLIENT enabled in your kernel.

 You assertion that its designed to work that way it just plain silly
 and only means you know not what you talk about.

*laughs* Right, that must be it, Bob.

 Time to submit another bug report so maybe its gets fixed in 5.4

It's not broken.

Kris

P.S. Third request not to top-post, next time you're going in my
killfile.


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