Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
--- Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danial Thom wrote: Kris is just a PR front man for a team of developers that is lost. Their theory on how to build a better mousetrap for MP is completely wrong, and now they're going to try something else, using the entire FreeBSD community as guinea pigs. First 5.4 was the answer. Then 6.0. Now it looks like 6.0 sucks too. Its a damn shame. DT IF you are such a man that can actually call himself an engineer - why hide behind Yahoo mail? My company requires it Next, IF you are as you claim to be - WHY are you not on the team or at least contributing code? I think your premise that all of the great engineers contribute to open source projects is broken. Perhaps Kris' participation makes him a better chum than me, and it surely says that he has a lot more time. As someone who doesn't contribute significant code (although I have contributed fixes and ideas over the years under various aliases), perhaps you might say that I have no right to criticize. I'll give you that to some extent. But, as somone who built a product on FreeBSD and has a significant financial stake in its existence, I'm mad as heck that this current team has taken a perfectly good O/S, arguably the best networking OS around in 4.x, and made it a lot worse. Considering that they continually bamboozle us by saying how great the next version is going to be (when they really just want to have a few 100 people test it for them), should give us a charter to be pissed off. At least if they admitted things it would help. Do some reading in lucky.freebsd.performance. They are in total denial. Every time someone complains about network performance they blame TCP settings or some other ridiculous thing. They continue to rely on netperf for their measurements, and its just not the correct way to test. The problem with netperf is that is loads a machine to capacity and measures the capacity of the system. The problem is that no-one runs their machine at 90%+ cpu. Things change when you approach the wall and when you load the bus, so you're not really measuring the machine under normal conditions. What you want to do is measure the CPU load under high-normal working conditions, which is more like 50-70% range. As bus bandwidth diminishes and queues fill, timings change, because non-normal conditions exist. So the measurements they use are just wrong. Or at least they are wrong in measuring the real performance of a production system. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
5.4 vs. 6.0
Hi! Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? -- Sasa Stupar ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
Sasa Stupar wrote: Hi! Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? Better sleep during nights. ;-) N. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
On 10 Dec Nicklas B. Westerlund wrote: Sasa Stupar wrote: Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? Better sleep during nights. ;-) 6.x is the future :) -- dick -- http://nagual.st/ -- PGP/GnuPG key: F86289CE ++ Running FreeBSD 6.0 +++ The Power to Serve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
From: dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 Dec Nicklas B. Westerlund wrote:
Sasa Stupar wrote:
Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my
server from 5.4 to 6.0?
Better sleep during nights. ;-)
6.x is the future :)
I realize this is neither the L-word OS or the W-word OS. But the
general industry trend is that newer versions are less reliable
and stable.
Are there some REAL advantages of which he should be aware or is it
all puff and vapor? {^_-}
{o.o}
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Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
jdow wrote:
From: dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 10 Dec Nicklas B. Westerlund wrote:
Sasa Stupar wrote:
Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my
server from 5.4 to 6.0?
Better sleep during nights. ;-)
6.x is the future :)
I realize this is neither the L-word OS or the W-word OS. But the
general industry trend is that newer versions are less reliable
and stable.
Are there some REAL advantages of which he should be aware or is it
all puff and vapor? {^_-}
FreeBSD 6.0 is no less stable than 5.4. It's also quite a lot faster.
If anyone is installing a new machine, the choice is a no-brainer: 6.0.
If you're upgrading, then you'll have to balance the time and effort
needed and the downtime for your servers against the benefits you can
gain. 6.0 generally looks pretty good in that comparison.
Cheers,
Matthew
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Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
--On 10. december 2005 10:37 +0100 Nicklas B. Westerlund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sasa Stupar wrote: Hi! Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? Better sleep during nights. ;-) N. I allready sleep good with 5.4 :) -- Sasa Stupar ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
On Saturday, December 10, 2005 4:09:29 AM, Sasa Stupar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 5.4 vs. 6.0 Wrote these words of wisdom: Hi! Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? -- Sasa Stupar * REPLY SEPARATOR * On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: This is only my personal opinion, but from what I have been reading on this forum regarding problems with 6.0, a great deal of which can obviously be construed as the result of learning a new technology, I feel it is best to wait until 6.1 is released. I am sure that there are several minor but never-the-less significant problems that will have been addressed in that release. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Life is to short to dance with ugly women. Anonymous ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
--- Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jdow wrote: From: dick hoogendijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10 Dec Nicklas B. Westerlund wrote: Sasa Stupar wrote: Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? Comparing 5.4 and 6.0 is like taking 2 hideously ugly girls and asking which one is uglier. Until they get it right, its simply a moot issue. DT __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 5.4 vs. 6.0
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 10:09:29AM +0100, Sasa Stupar wrote: Hi! Can someone tell me in plain words what will I gain if I upgrade my server from 5.4 to 6.0? An improvement in filesystem performance of up to an order of magnitude, depending on your hardware. Kris pgppxeWPbP2oP.pgp Description: PGP signature
