Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 17:28, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Mike Jeays wrote: As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... We use a splash screen --- I forget where it's documented in the handbook/FAQ, but splash(4) has most of the 'GUI' details (pun intended). Basically, as root: $ echo splash_bmp_load=YES /boot/loader.conf $ echo bitmap_name=/boot/splash.bmp /boot/loader.conf This should cause splash_bmp.ko to be kldloaded at boot time. The bitmap should be 320 x 200 x 8 colors (at least that's what works for us - probably related to console settings). We use it as an opportunity to show the company logo. It comes up after the beastie menu and the copyright info (and a couple of error looking notices ... we're on 6.0-BETA5 in the office now, dunno if it's related ;-), basically, during the kernel device probe. It will stay on as long as a key isn't pressed. xdm takes over after the boot process (I assume gdm/kdm would, too) and so this is less geeky stuff to look at, I guess. It can be a little confusing if you don't run an X based display manager --- it'll stay on and cover up the login: prompt on ttyv0, so a novice might well wonder how long is this going to take while your box sits patiently waiting for a login. Note that this splash/bitmap also acts as a screensaver when you're in console, AFAICT. HTH, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well - I tried this, and maybe I didn't get the syntax exactly right. My machine refused to boot at the point where it was trying to load the splash screen, and seemed hopelessly wedged. I downloaded the 5.3 Fixit disk, burnt a copy, and tried with that. I could not mount ad0s1a - it said Operation not permitted, although I could mount 'e' and 'f'. It wouldn't let me do an fsck on any of the partitions. I tried Knoppix, but 3.9 doesn't seem to know about UFS filesystems. In desperation, I booted a copy of Freesbie 1.1 that I happened to have around. I had no trouble running fsck on all the partitions (they were all clean anyway), and deleting the erroneous lines from /boot/loader.conf. My machine is now working again. So - next time I get stuck, I will try the Freesbie disk first. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
I think on some early QNX you had a short series of dots then a static rotating display of | / -- \ | characters in that order (I hope you know what I mean) which showed that the kernel was loading devices etc However if you presed escape you could get the full output. This seemed like a good / neat compromise as you could 'see' that something was happening without all the debug output (but had the choice of doing so if you wished) I liked that by the login prompt you still had only (and no more than) one screeens worth of output. On Mandrake Linux 9.2 you could choose between a 'nice' hi rez background with a central window of the kernel text output in a colour that fitted in with the splash screen, a fixed full screen splash or the framebuffer console with a large but faint 9.2 in lite grey in the backround (very cool) I suppose it depends what you are doing. Most FreeBSD dare I suggest runs on servers and prolly only gets rebooted once a year so you never would see the startup screens. However that doesnt mean that FreeBSD shoudnt get all multimedia and provide a desktop too. I find Windogs 'Look over there children, its the mystical computer lantern doing its magic' splash screens somewhat annoying and would rather have the low rez kernel OP of FreeBSD any day !!! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
taking the risk of starting the 'ultimate-religion-flame-war' (please not!)... ;) religion (of any kind!) limits the scope of people's thoughts and makes them more easy to manipulate, what patch is this, please tell me it name and location in ports, because I want to make sure its removed from my system at immediately. As a Zen Buddhist, I will loosely quote a Chinese Ch'an (Zen) Master Rinzai who has said that religion is toilet paper, you use it to clean yourself up then you thow it away. ergo, the purpose is not to contend with others but to wipe your own ass ... so please get on with the task. If you have wiped then flush ... not talk. not even mentioning what religion can do to the 'evolution' of mankind (yes, even in these days (-the creationists in the usa for example)). they don't even come close to be representative of religion in a global context. the world would be a better place if we all would get rid of this. adding all the (positive and negative) ways in which religion has affected history, you end up with more bad than good. Is this another master plan for everyone. one of the main problems is, rules that may have been necessary and good at some times, aren't reflected and reconsidered because they are now 'send by god' and therefore untouchable. this creates some really weird (and sometimes brutal) situations. are you trying to say that religious proclaimations utilize God as a self-referential way of imputing authority to the statement within the statement; if you are then that is an interesting comment on how authority and legitimation are used tactically to create consent or consensus ... but then again this is not only true of religion but is part of socio-cultural dynamics in terms of the use of authoritative declarations ... It would be useful to apply it to the windows/linux debate but this is probably offtopic... no ... FreeBSD has an extensive array of functions and capabilities and so I am sure that this one is in there somewhere please check the code. albertfuller - email home 2albertfuller AT gmail DOT com - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Hi All, This is really an interesting discussion. I actually appreciate it. But, it doesn't belong here. Start a list or forum somewhere and let us all know about it so those who would like to continue can without tieing up the FreeBSD questions list. jerry taking the risk of starting the 'ultimate-religion-flame-war' (please not!)... ;) religion (of any kind!) limits the scope of people's thoughts and makes them more easy to manipulate, what patch is this, please tell me it name and location in ports, because I want to make sure its removed from my system at immediately. As a Zen Buddhist, I will loosely quote a Chinese Ch'an (Zen) Master Rinzai who has said that religion is toilet paper, you use it to clean yourself up then you thow it away. ergo, the purpose is not to contend with others but to wipe your own ass ... so please get on with the task. If you have wiped then flush ... not talk. not even mentioning what religion can do to the 'evolution' of mankind (yes, even in these days (-the creationists in the usa for example)). they don't even come close to be representative of religion in a global context. the world would be a better place if we all would get rid of this. adding all the (positive and negative) ways in which religion has affected history, you end up with more bad than good. Is this another master plan for everyone. one of the main problems is, rules that may have been necessary and good at some times, aren't reflected and reconsidered because they are now 'send by god' and therefore untouchable. this creates some really weird (and sometimes brutal) situations. are you trying to say that religious proclaimations utilize God as a self-referential way of imputing authority to the statement within the statement; if you are then that is an interesting comment on how authority and legitimation are used tactically to create consent or consensus ... but then again this is not only true of religion but is part of socio-cultural dynamics in terms of the use of authoritative declarations ... It would be useful to apply it to the windows/linux debate but this is probably offtopic... no ... FreeBSD has an extensive array of functions and capabilities and so I am sure that this one is in there somewhere please check the code. albertfuller - email home 2albertfuller AT gmail DOT com - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Glenn Dawson wrote: At 12:52 PM 9/26/2005, Kiffin Gish wrote: I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie thingie on the side. What's the best way to do this? (Sorry to all those beastie lovers out there, but really) You can put beastie_disable=YES in your /boot/loader.conf to turn it off. Replacing it with something else is a bit trickier. You would need to replace /boot/beasier.4th. -Glenn -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you sure this belongs in the loader.conf file and not somehwere else. I get all kinds of error messages and the menu never comes up, just skipping past to the login prompt. -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
At 12:52 PM 9/28/2005, Kiffin Gish wrote: Glenn Dawson wrote: At 12:52 PM 9/26/2005, Kiffin Gish wrote: I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie thingie on the side. What's the best way to do this? (Sorry to all those beastie lovers out there, but really) You can put beastie_disable=YES in your /boot/loader.conf to turn it off. Replacing it with something else is a bit trickier. You would need to replace /boot/beasier.4th. -Glenn -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you sure this belongs in the loader.conf file and not somehwere else. I get all kinds of error messages and the menu never comes up, just skipping past to the login prompt. glenn# grep beastie /boot/defaults/loader.conf #beastie_disable=NO # Turn the beastie boot menu on and off -Glenn -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bye-bye beastie ...
Right back at ya Jerry: .:\:/:. +---+ .:\:\:/:/:. | PLEASE DO NOT |:.:\:\:/:/:.: | FEED THE TROLLS | :=.' - - '.=: | | '=(\ 9 9 /)=' | Thank you, | ( (_) ) | Management | /`-vvv-'\ +---+ / \ | |@@@ / /|,|\ \ | |@@@ /_// /^\ \\_\ @x@@x@| | |/ WW( ( ) )WW \/| |\| __\,,\ /,,/__ \||/ | | | jgs (__Y__) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\//\/\\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ I seem to recall you expressing appreciation for this sentiment. ;-) Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jerry McAllister Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bye-bye beastie ... Hi All, This is really an interesting discussion. I actually appreciate it. But, it doesn't belong here. Start a list or forum somewhere and let us all know about it so those who would like to continue can without tieing up the FreeBSD questions list. jerry taking the risk of starting the 'ultimate-religion-flame-war' (please not!)... ;) religion (of any kind!) limits the scope of people's thoughts and makes them more easy to manipulate, what patch is this, please tell me it name and location in ports, because I want to make sure its removed from my system at immediately. As a Zen Buddhist, I will loosely quote a Chinese Ch'an (Zen) Master Rinzai who has said that religion is toilet paper, you use it to clean yourself up then you thow it away. ergo, the purpose is not to contend with others but to wipe your own ass ... so please get on with the task. If you have wiped then flush ... not talk. not even mentioning what religion can do to the 'evolution' of mankind (yes, even in these days (-the creationists in the usa for example)). they don't even come close to be representative of religion in a global context. the world would be a better place if we all would get rid of this. adding all the (positive and negative) ways in which religion has affected history, you end up with more bad than good. Is this another master plan for everyone. one of the main problems is, rules that may have been necessary and good at some times, aren't reflected and reconsidered because they are now 'send by god' and therefore untouchable. this creates some really weird (and sometimes brutal) situations. are you trying to say that religious proclaimations utilize God as a self-referential way of imputing authority to the statement within the statement; if you are then that is an interesting comment on how authority and legitimation are used tactically to create consent or consensus ... but then again this is not only true of religion but is part of socio-cultural dynamics in terms of the use of authoritative declarations ... It would be useful to apply it to the windows/linux debate but this is probably offtopic... no ... FreeBSD has an extensive array of functions and capabilities and so I am sure that this one is in there somewhere please check the code. albertfuller - email home 2albertfuller AT gmail DOT com - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.6/111 - Release Date: 9/23/2005 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Bye-bye beastie ...
Better question: How to do 1024x768 high resolution framebuffer console with Beastie logo in the TLH Corner ? The Penguine does this out of the box ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Bye-bye beastie ...
On 2005-09-27 08:24, Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Better question: How to do 1024x768 high resolution framebuffer console with Beastie logo in the TLH Corner ? I don't think that's currently possible. The Penguine does this out of the box That's not a very compelling argument in BSD land :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Subject: Bye-bye beastie ...
Graham Bentley wrote: The Penguine does this out of the box I suggest Crux[1] if you want to play a bit with a BSD-style operating system, but don't miss a Linux kernel. [1] http://www.crux.nu/ Regards Björn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. -- Kirk Strauser ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Kirk Strauser wrote: On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist Christian Crusade. Never mind that cartoon figures are generally seen as unprofessional, regardless of implied, explicit, or perceived religious affiliation or lack thereof. FreeBSD, according to Ted, isn't about open source and freedom of choice; NO WAY can we help people change the boot screen! FreeBSD is about Christian-bashing, isn't that right Ted? If someone wants a less cartoonish, more Serious(tm) Down-To-Work Terminal(R)(!), without cute bubbly images of Beastie or any other image, it's our responsibility -- on -questions -- to answer their (gasp!) questions, or to keep our mouths shut. Sincerely, Someone of a religion that's none of your business who wants the inter-religion bickering to end and for people to respect eachother's beliefs and preferences ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Kirk Strauser wrote: On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Fortunately I'd finished my drink at the time, but I did wonder if he could send out a Protestant version ;-D KDK P.S. Of course, if it was worth the fuss, I could hack that myself... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
-Original Message- From: Josh Ockert [EMAIL PROTECTED] There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist Christian Crusade. It was particularly funny to see it directed against someone whose email address ends in demon.nl But then, I use Ted's posts as bad examples. It's good that they have some utility. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tuesday 27 September 2005 10:27, Josh Ockert wrote: There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist Christian Crusade. I get your point - truly, I do. I also get that Ted was being, well, Ted. However, there *have* been people claiming that their Christian sensibilities were offended by Beastie. On-topic or not, Ted's patch was still a darn funny response to those people. -- Kirk Strauser pgpbfLRIueKhS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Sep 27, 2005, at 12:40 PM, Kirk Strauser wrote: On Tuesday 27 September 2005 10:27, Josh Ockert wrote: There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist Christian Crusade. I get your point - truly, I do. I also get that Ted was being, well, Ted. However, there *have* been people claiming that their Christian sensibilities were offended by Beastie. On-topic or not, Ted's patch was still a darn funny response to those people. Um...when this is supposedly an issue, how often is the reason cited professional, and how often is it because it's offensive? How many people really do it because of the latter, but fall back on citing the first? I don't recall too many times where Tux causes unprofessional cries. I can clearly see why Ted would assume that people's motives are based on religious bias. It's stupid to take it up as a major issue. But it's more stupid to get offended by it in the first place. I just heard a story in...where...Britain?...where Burger King is pulling their ice cream cone covers because one person said the symbol on it bore a resemblance to the Muslim word for Allah (correct me if someone has the story in print to cite, please). He wants all Muslims to refuse going to Burger King because of it, despite BK pulling them off the shelf to redo them (it's just a swirling ice-cream symbol). Look up how to disable the boot image, or code a way to easily plug in your own custom images and have it slipped into the code base. Personally I'd rather set the boot image to whatever I'd want, or make it something functional (like BeOS had). Or...why are your BSD systems rebooting so often that this is an issue? -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:34, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Kirk Strauser wrote: On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Fortunately I'd finished my drink at the time, but I did wonder if he could send out a Protestant version ;-D KDK P.S. Of course, if it was worth the fuss, I could hack that myself... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Mike Jeays wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:34, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Kirk Strauser wrote: On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. Fortunately I'd finished my drink at the time, but I did wonder if he could send out a Protestant version ;-D KDK P.S. Of course, if it was worth the fuss, I could hack that myself... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... Probably not the best solution in the world but you could try... echo -h /boot.config Works for 4.11 atleast :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Mike Jeays wrote: On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 11:34, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Kirk Strauser wrote: On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. . . . Dang, I seem to have accidently deleted the post with the updated graphic. I had intended to steal it. Does anyone have it handy so I don't have to go looking for it in the archive? jerry ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Mike Jeays wrote: As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... We use a splash screen --- I forget where it's documented in the handbook/FAQ, but splash(4) has most of the 'GUI' details (pun intended). Basically, as root: $ echo splash_bmp_load=YES /boot/loader.conf $ echo bitmap_name=/boot/splash.bmp /boot/loader.conf This should cause splash_bmp.ko to be kldloaded at boot time. The bitmap should be 320 x 200 x 8 colors (at least that's what works for us - probably related to console settings). We use it as an opportunity to show the company logo. It comes up after the beastie menu and the copyright info (and a couple of error looking notices ... we're on 6.0-BETA5 in the office now, dunno if it's related ;-), basically, during the kernel device probe. It will stay on as long as a key isn't pressed. xdm takes over after the boot process (I assume gdm/kdm would, too) and so this is less geeky stuff to look at, I guess. It can be a little confusing if you don't run an X based display manager --- it'll stay on and cover up the login: prompt on ttyv0, so a novice might well wonder how long is this going to take while your box sits patiently waiting for a login. Note that this splash/bitmap also acts as a screensaver when you're in console, AFAICT. HTH, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 17:28, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Mike Jeays wrote: As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... We use a splash screen --- I forget where it's documented in the handbook/FAQ, but splash(4) has most of the 'GUI' details (pun intended). Basically, as root: $ echo splash_bmp_load=YES /boot/loader.conf $ echo bitmap_name=/boot/splash.bmp /boot/loader.conf This should cause splash_bmp.ko to be kldloaded at boot time. The bitmap should be 320 x 200 x 8 colors (at least that's what works for us - probably related to console settings). We use it as an opportunity to show the company logo. It comes up after the beastie menu and the copyright info (and a couple of error looking notices ... we're on 6.0-BETA5 in the office now, dunno if it's related ;-), basically, during the kernel device probe. It will stay on as long as a key isn't pressed. xdm takes over after the boot process (I assume gdm/kdm would, too) and so this is less geeky stuff to look at, I guess. It can be a little confusing if you don't run an X based display manager --- it'll stay on and cover up the login: prompt on ttyv0, so a novice might well wonder how long is this going to take while your box sits patiently waiting for a login. Note that this splash/bitmap also acts as a screensaver when you're in console, AFAICT. HTH, Kevin Kinsey Thanks very much - I will try it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bye-bye beastie ...
Perhaps they'd prefer it if we used this instead http://www.jesusdance.org/ 2 cents, Jimi I've stopped 75 spam and fraud messages. You can too! One month FREE spam and fraud protection at http://www.cloudmark.com/sig/? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Jeays Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 5:23 PM To: Kevin Kinsey Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Bye-bye beastie ... On Tue, 2005-09-27 at 17:28, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Mike Jeays wrote: As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... We use a splash screen --- I forget where it's documented in the handbook/FAQ, but splash(4) has most of the 'GUI' details (pun intended). Basically, as root: $ echo splash_bmp_load=YES /boot/loader.conf $ echo bitmap_name=/boot/splash.bmp /boot/loader.conf This should cause splash_bmp.ko to be kldloaded at boot time. The bitmap should be 320 x 200 x 8 colors (at least that's what works for us - probably related to console settings). We use it as an opportunity to show the company logo. It comes up after the beastie menu and the copyright info (and a couple of error looking notices ... we're on 6.0-BETA5 in the office now, dunno if it's related ;-), basically, during the kernel device probe. It will stay on as long as a key isn't pressed. xdm takes over after the boot process (I assume gdm/kdm would, too) and so this is less geeky stuff to look at, I guess. It can be a little confusing if you don't run an X based display manager --- it'll stay on and cover up the login: prompt on ttyv0, so a novice might well wonder how long is this going to take while your box sits patiently waiting for a login. Note that this splash/bitmap also acts as a screensaver when you're in console, AFAICT. HTH, Kevin Kinsey Thanks very much - I will try it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tuesday 27 September 2005 21:28, Kevin Kinsey wrote: Mike Jeays wrote: As well as turning off the beastie, is there a way to suppress all the dmesg and other output, so that the first thing to appear is the KDM or GDM login screen? When I show FreeBSD to people who have only seen Windows before, their first reaction is how geeky all that text looks as it rolls by. They are turned off before I even get to the login screen. Most current Linuxes are 'better' in this respect. I realise it may make it harder to debug failed startups... We use a splash screen --- I forget where it's documented in the handbook/FAQ, but splash(4) has most of the 'GUI' details (pun intended). Basically, as root: $ echo splash_bmp_load=YES /boot/loader.conf $ echo bitmap_name=/boot/splash.bmp /boot/loader.conf This should cause splash_bmp.ko to be kldloaded at boot time. The bitmap should be 320 x 200 x 8 colors (at least that's what works for us - probably related to console settings). We use it as an opportunity to show the company logo. It comes up after the beastie menu and the copyright info (and a couple of error looking notices ... we're on 6.0-BETA5 in the office now, dunno if it's related ;-), basically, during the kernel device probe. It will stay on as long as a key isn't pressed. xdm takes over after the boot process (I assume gdm/kdm would, too) and so this is less geeky stuff to look at, I guess. It can be a little confusing if you don't run an X based display manager --- it'll stay on and cover up the login: prompt on ttyv0, so a novice might well wonder how long is this going to take while your box sits patiently waiting for a login. Note that this splash/bitmap also acts as a screensaver when you're in console, AFAICT. HTH, Kevin Kinsey This is quite nice to hide all that code for normal? people, DesktopBSD uses it also, and likely PCBSD also. I've played with it now and then. For the non-fundamentalists: I'm sure you know that sunset image where you see Beastie sitting on a rock, it makes a nice splash. But I think what may be a problem is that the normal? people don't see any progress or rather movement then. Which may lead them to think that the system is stalled. It's my understanding that something like a progress bar like WinXP has (it doesn't need to show progress, just that something's going on behind the splash) would be very hard if not impossible to add. But perhaps it is or can be made possible to have a gif or a bitmap in which a partial clipping changes every second or so (some left-to-right-and-back moving thingie). Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:40:01 -0500 Kirk Strauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get your point - truly, I do. I also get that Ted was being, well, Ted. However, there *have* been people claiming that their Christian sensibilities were offended by Beastie. you must be kidding ;) on the other hand, in a world where this 'intelligent design'-(excuse me)-bullshit is taught in some schools... amazing, how these people get rid of their sense of humor and loose grip on reality... serously, thats ridiculous *confused*, jonas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Sincerely, Someone of a religion that's none of your business who wants the inter-religion bickering to end and for people to respect eachother's beliefs and preferences taking the risk of starting the 'ultimate-religion-flame-war' (please not!)... ;) religion (of any kind!) limits the scope of people's thoughts and makes them more easy to manipulate, not even mentioning what religion can do to the 'evolution' of mankind (yes, even in these days (-the creationists in the usa for example)). the world would be a better place if we all would get rid of this. adding all the (positive and negative) ways in which religion has affected history, you end up with more bad than good. one of the main problems is, rules that may have been necessary and good at some times, aren't reflected and reconsidered because they are now 'send by god' and therefore untouchable. this creates some really weird (and sometimes brutal) situations. but this is probably offtopic... greetz, jonas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Sep 27, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Danny Pansters wrote: But I think what may be a problem is that the normal? people don't see any progress or rather movement then. Which may lead them to think that the system is stalled. It's my understanding that something like a progress bar like WinXP has (it doesn't need to show progress, just that something's going on behind the splash) would be very hard if not impossible to add. But perhaps it is or can be made possible to have a gif or a bitmap in which a partial clipping changes every second or so (some left-to-right-and- back moving thingie). You can do what Mac OS X does under Tiger -- it uses a canned progress bar based on timing done from previous boots. They time how long the boot process is where they want the progress bar and then put up a canned one that moves and lists what it is doing, but that list is just timed for the average boot time and is not actually synced to show the correct actions in the boot as they happen. (At least that was how it was explained in forum I am on) Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Sep 27, 2005, at 8:00 PM, Danny Pansters wrote: But I think what may be a problem is that the normal? people don't see any progress or rather movement then. Which may lead them to think that the system is stalled. It's my understanding that something like a progress bar like WinXP has (it doesn't need to show progress, just that something's going on behind the splash) would be very hard if not impossible to add. But perhaps it is or can be made possible to have a gif or a bitmap in which a partial clipping changes every second or so (some left-to-right-and- back moving thingie). You can do what Mac OS X does under Tiger -- it uses a canned progress bar based on timing done from previous boots. They time how long the boot process is where they want the progress bar and then put up a canned one that moves and lists what it is doing, but that list is just timed for the average boot time and is not actually synced to show the correct actions in the boot as they happen. (At least that was how it was explained in forum I am on) Chad In light of this hopefully-soon-to-be-dead thread's title and general course of discussion, we should probably just have a big two-frame animated GIF of Bill (whichever one you want) that alternately faces left and right with horns one direction and a halo the other. ;-) Give my regards to /dev/null, as I'll give your replies likewise, Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
On Tuesday 27 September 2005 08:27, the author Josh Ockert contributed to the dialogue on- Re: Bye-bye beastie ...: Kirk Strauser wrote: On Monday 26 September 2005 22:54, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really dying to have on there; You owe me a new keyboard, preferably a spewed-coffee-proof one. Sincerely, A sincere Christian who doesn't understand what all the fuss is about. There isn't a fuss. Someone asked for help. The only fuss is coming from Ted, who insists that any slight against Beastie is a Fundamentalist Christian Crusade. Does not BG believe the Beastie is the anti-christ? David -- 40 yrs navigating and computing in blue waters. English Owner Captain of British Registered 60' bluewater Ketch S/V Taurus. Currently in San Diego, CA. Sailing bound for Europe via Panama Canal after completing engineroom refit. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie thingie on the side. What's the best way to do this? (Sorry to all those beastie lovers out there, but really) -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
At 12:52 PM 9/26/2005, Kiffin Gish wrote: I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie thingie on the side. What's the best way to do this? (Sorry to all those beastie lovers out there, but really) You can put beastie_disable=YES in your /boot/loader.conf to turn it off. Replacing it with something else is a bit trickier. You would need to replace /boot/beasier.4th. -Glenn -- Kiffin Gish Gouda, The Netherlands ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Kiffin Gish wrote: I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie thingie on the side. What's the best way to do this? (Sorry to all those beastie lovers out there, but really) from the /boot/default/loader.conf : beastie_disable=NO # Turn the beastie boot menu on and off However, I strongly disagree with your decision :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bye-bye beastie ...
Kiffin Gish wrote: I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie thingie on the side. Here is how to change it: http://www.baldwin.cx/splash/ . Also has links to already-correct-size images. What of? The beastie mainly. Why? Because he's cool! But anyway, you can use your own correctly sized image of whatever you want. The instructions are good. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bye-bye beastie ...
Here you are, I'm sure this sort of thing is what you are really
dying to have on there;
# diff beastie.4th beastie.4th.cross
75,93c75,93
2dup at-xy . ,, 1+
2dup at-xy . /()` 1+
2dup at-xy . \ \___ / | 1+
2dup at-xy . /- _ `-/ ' 1+
2dup at-xy .(/\/ \ \ /\ 1+
2dup at-xy ./ / | `\ 1+
2dup at-xy .O O ) /| 1+
2dup at-xy .`-^--'` ' 1+
2dup at-xy . (_.) _ ) / 1+
2dup at-xy .`.___/`/ 1+
2dup at-xy . `-' / 1+
2dup at-xy . . __ / __ \ 1+
2dup at-xy . |O)))==) \) / 1+
2dup at-xy . '`--' `.__,' \ 1+
2dup at-xy . || 1+
2dup at-xy . \ / /\ 1+
2dup at-xy . __( (_ / \__/ 1+
2dup at-xy .,' ,-' | 1+
at-xy .`--{__)
---
2dup at-xy . .==. 1+
2dup at-xy . | | 1+
2dup at-xy ..' '. 1+
2dup at-xy .| _ _ | 1+
2dup at-xy .| /_;-.__ / _\ _.-;_\ | 1+
2dup at-xy .| `-._`'`_/'`.-' | 1+
2dup at-xy .'.`\ /`' 1+
2dup at-xy . | | / | 1+
2dup at-xy . |/-.( | 1+
2dup at-xy . |\_._\ | 1+
2dup at-xy . | \ \`;| 1+
2dup at-xy . | |/| 1+
2dup at-xy . | / // | 1+
2dup at-xy . | |// | 1+
2dup at-xy . | \(\ | 1+
2dup at-xy . | `` | 1+
2dup at-xy . | | 1+
2dup at-xy . \\jgs _ _\\| \// |//_ _ \// _ 1+
at-xy .^ `^`^ ^`` `^ ^` ``^^` `^^` `^ `^
#
adapted from http://www.chris.com/ascii/
(Sorry to all REASONABLE PEOPLE out there, but really!)
Ted
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I would like to have a different bootup screen appearing which looks
more professional (sorry), e.g. removing that awful looking beastie
thingie on the side.
What's the best way to do this?
(Sorry to all those beastie lovers out there, but really)
--
Kiffin Gish
Gouda, The Netherlands
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