Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread Live-Wire
I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on 
my home network; dns, qmail,
apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services, 
like apache, will also be exposed to
the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most 
important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -
for less than$600 (and the less, the better). I was wondering what sort 
of hardware setups people could
recommend? Priceis the #1 consideration, followed by reliability, then 
speed. But that doesn't mean
I want to neglect the latter two- what sort of specs should I be 
shooting for? What is necessary for the kind

of activities I want to do.

I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty 
sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying
around that I can stick in, but because I want to use 2 SATA 150 
hardrives in RAID 1, finding an AGP 4X
mobo with 754 and SATA w/ RAID 1 is neigh impossible. So it looks like 
my best bet is to find
a mobo with onboard gigabit ethernet, video, and sound (only the first 
of which is important), but that still

limits me apropos the 754 cpu and the SATA.

So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically 
tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero

concern for expandability. What is the best fit?

Thanks -
JNK
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Re: Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread Andrew P.
On 10/9/05, Live-Wire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on
 my home network; dns, qmail,
 apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services,
 like apache, will also be exposed to
 the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most
 important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -
 for less than$600 (and the less, the better). I was wondering what sort
 of hardware setups people could
 recommend? Priceis the #1 consideration, followed by reliability, then
 speed. But that doesn't mean
 I want to neglect the latter two- what sort of specs should I be
 shooting for? What is necessary for the kind
 of activities I want to do.

 I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty
 sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying
 around that I can stick in, but because I want to use 2 SATA 150
 hardrives in RAID 1, finding an AGP 4X
 mobo with 754 and SATA w/ RAID 1 is neigh impossible. So it looks like
 my best bet is to find
 a mobo with onboard gigabit ethernet, video, and sound (only the first
 of which is important), but that still
 limits me apropos the 754 cpu and the SATA.

 So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically
 tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero
 concern for expandability. What is the best fit?

 Thanks -
 JNK
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I have Gigabyte K8VT800 Pro motherboard
(http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/Products/Products_GA-K8VT800%20Pro.htm)
and Sempron 2500+ (256Kb cache, 64-bit, SSE3)
on my file-server. For me - it's a wonderful combination.
With an updated BIOS firmware it supports up to
10 disk devices (8 IDE + 2 SATA), Gigabit
network and is rock-solid. I run FreeBSD/i386 on
it, but I tried amd64 before - and it works great.

It's quite cheap ($60 for the board, $60 for the
box version of the CPU), and it certainly rocks,
believe me. BTW, it should support your Ti
4600!


Cheerz,
Andrew P.
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Re: Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread RW
On Sunday 09 October 2005 10:18, Live-Wire wrote:
 I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on
 my home network; dns, qmail,
 apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services,
 like apache, will also be exposed to
 the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most
 important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -

 I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty
 sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying

 So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically
 tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero
 concern for expandability. What is the best fit?


The system you mention seems to be completly out of step  with what you want 
from it. 

If you want a server that's on most or all  of the day and runs such an 
undemanding load, you would be better off checking out some cheap, slow , 
low-power machines. With a desktop machine such as you specify, the electrity 
may well be a major part of the total cost over several years. Low power cpus 
also run much quieter, with little or no fan noise.

I don't see why you need graphics at all.
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Re: Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread Chris
RW wrote:
 On Sunday 09 October 2005 10:18, Live-Wire wrote:
 
I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on
my home network; dns, qmail,
apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services,
like apache, will also be exposed to
the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most
important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -
 
 
I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty
sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying

So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically
tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero
concern for expandability. What is the best fit?
 
 
 
 The system you mention seems to be completly out of step  with what you want 
 from it. 
 
 If you want a server that's on most or all  of the day and runs such an 
 undemanding load, you would be better off checking out some cheap, slow , 
 low-power machines. With a desktop machine such as you specify, the electrity 
 may well be a major part of the total cost over several years. Low power cpus 
 also run much quieter, with little or no fan noise.
 
 I don't see why you need graphics at all.

Correct - for a very long time, I used a Compaq Small Form Factor (450
Mhz w/256 RAM and 10 gig drive and a 4 meg video) to do just about what
the op is asking for.

Now adays, he could find nearly the same hardware in a complete box for
in the 50 - 100 dollar range.

I agree - what he has now is overkill for what he wants to do. What he
has now would make a nice workstation tho.


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Chris

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Re: Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread Scott Mitchell
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 01:56:52PM +0100, RW wrote:
 On Sunday 09 October 2005 10:18, Live-Wire wrote:
  I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on
  my home network; dns, qmail,
  apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services,
  like apache, will also be exposed to
  the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most
  important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -
 
  I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty
  sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying
 
  So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically
  tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero
  concern for expandability. What is the best fit?
 
 
 The system you mention seems to be completly out of step  with what you want 
 from it. 
 
 If you want a server that's on most or all  of the day and runs such an 
 undemanding load, you would be better off checking out some cheap, slow , 
 low-power machines. With a desktop machine such as you specify, the electrity 
 may well be a major part of the total cost over several years. Low power cpus 
 also run much quieter, with little or no fan noise.
 
 I don't see why you need graphics at all.

Agreed.

I have a machine based around a VIA ME6000 Mini-ITX board serving NFS,
Samba, printing, DNS, DHCP, NIS, HTTP, SMTP, IMAP, etc. for my home network
and a few outside users.  This board has a 600MHz VIA Eden CPU (fanless -
completely silent) and even this is way overkill for what I'm using it
for.  The only thing that uses any real CPU bandwidth is SpamAssassin.

A friend has a 200MHz Pentium Pro machine doing much the same job.  This
too is more than adequate, although it could use a bit more RAM.

Both of these machines are running headless - no need for graphics.

A cheap used laptop is also a possibility for this kind of thing.

IMHO your top priority should be reliability - this is a machine that will
be on all the time, you'll come to rely on it, so it will be a complete
pain when it falls over, especially if you're not physically there to
reboot it.  You might want to think about running mirrored disks, so you
don't lose the whole machine when a disk dies, as it inevitably will.

Cheers,

Scott

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Re: Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread Andrew P.
On 10/10/05, Live-Wire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andrew P. wrote:

 On 10/9/05, Live-Wire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on
 my home network; dns, qmail,
 apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services,
 like apache, will also be exposed to
 the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most
 important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -
 for less than$600 (and the less, the better). I was wondering what sort
 of hardware setups people could
 recommend? Priceis the #1 consideration, followed by reliability, then
 speed. But that doesn't mean
 I want to neglect the latter two- what sort of specs should I be
 shooting for? What is necessary for the kind
 of activities I want to do.
 
 I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty
 sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying
 around that I can stick in, but because I want to use 2 SATA 150
 hardrives in RAID 1, finding an AGP 4X
 mobo with 754 and SATA w/ RAID 1 is neigh impossible. So it looks like
 my best bet is to find
 a mobo with onboard gigabit ethernet, video, and sound (only the first
 of which is important), but that still
 limits me apropos the 754 cpu and the SATA.
 
 So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically
 tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero
 concern for expandability. What is the best fit?
 
 Thanks -
 JNK
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 I have Gigabyte K8VT800 Pro motherboard
 (http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/Products/Products_GA-K8VT800%20Pro.htm)
 and Sempron 2500+ (256Kb cache, 64-bit, SSE3)
 on my file-server. For me - it's a wonderful combination.
 With an updated BIOS firmware it supports up to
 10 disk devices (8 IDE + 2 SATA), Gigabit
 network and is rock-solid. I run FreeBSD/i386 on
 it, but I tried amd64 before - and it works great.
 
 It's quite cheap ($60 for the board, $60 for the
 box version of the CPU), and it certainly rocks,
 believe me. BTW, it should support your Ti
 4600!
 
 
 Cheerz,
 Andrew P.
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks Andrew, but just one question: the specs claim only to have 4 IDE
 slots in addition to the 2 SATA,
 not 8. Am I looking at the same thing as you?

 Thanks,
 JNK


4 IDE slots allow for up to 8 devices, 2 SATA slots allow
2 devices, that sums up to 10.


Have a nice day,
Andrew P.
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Re: Cheap Hardware for Home Network

2005-10-09 Thread Drew Tomlinson

On 10/9/2005 2:18 AM Live-Wire wrote:

I'm building a new box specifically do take care of a lot of things on 
my home network; dns, qmail,
apache, sftp, printer server, a fileserver, etc. Some of the services, 
like apache, will also be exposed to
the internet, but only for the use of friends and family. And most 
important, I'm doing this all on the cheap -
for less than$600 (and the less, the better). I was wondering what 
sort of hardware setups people could
recommend? Priceis the #1 consideration, followed by reliability, then 
speed. But that doesn't mean
I want to neglect the latter two- what sort of specs should I be 
shooting for? What is necessary for the kind

of activities I want to do.

I'm hellbent on AMD, and the Sempron 3100+ (754) is looking pretty 
sharp. I have a GeForce4 Ti 4600 lying
around that I can stick in, but because I want to use 2 SATA 150 
hardrives in RAID 1, finding an AGP 4X
mobo with 754 and SATA w/ RAID 1 is neigh impossible. So it looks like 
my best bet is to find
a mobo with onboard gigabit ethernet, video, and sound (only the first 
of which is important), but that still

limits me apropos the 754 cpu and the SATA.

So again, this is a nice opportunity to buy hardware specifically 
tailored for what I am using it for - I have zero
concern for expandability. What is the best fit? 


You're going way overboard for your requirements.  I'm running all of 
this and more on an old Pentium III 600mhz machine.  You can probably 
get the machine you need for free if you ask around.


Drew

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