Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-16 Thread Dieter
An alternative to undocumented graphics/video cards is in the works. The Open Graphics Project has a prototype working. If you can assist the project (engineering talent, financial, etc.) the production boards will be available sooner. ___

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-15 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20AM -0400, Sean Bryant wrote: Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Eric P. Scott
[Doug Ambrisko] One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, And if the Nouveau project URL:http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ is successful, things could get very interesting indeed. ;-) -=EPS=-

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri wrote: Since AMD/ATI doesn't make a native driver for FreeBSD, I only buy notebooks with nvidia, and I told my friends about this. We as FreeBSD users could write about this in our blogs and pages, which will widespread the word about the driver issues in better way,

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Yann Golanski
Quoth Nikolas Britton on Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 14:58:34 -0500 We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. It is not a problem but a marketing decision we

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Massimo Lusetti
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 04:40:19 -0500 Matthew D. Fuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sitting on a G450 here. Works great. I've never heard anything bad about the 550 either, and it's a bit more capable. But then, the 550 is also like 6 years old now (and still $100 new, and uncommon used),

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 10:43:12AM +1100 I heard the voice of Andrew Reilly, and lo! it spake thus: Matrox used to have a reputation for goodness (I used to have a G400 or the like), but it's been a long time... I'm sitting on a G450 here. Works great. I've never heard anything bad about

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:41 AM, Eric P. Scott wrote: [Doug Ambrisko] One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, And if the Nouveau project URL:http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/ is successful, things could get very interesting indeed. ;-)

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread youshi10
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Scott Long wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Sean Bryant
Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Yann Golanski
Quoth Sean Bryant on Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20 -0400 Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might be the

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
Scott Long wrote: Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Vince
Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Wojciech Puchar
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. already did, i use AMD

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Oliver Fromme
Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast 'leet gamer system to be better

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Scott Long
Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread youshi10
On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Oliver Fromme wrote: Vince [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean Bryant wrote: Andrew Reilly wrote: Does anyone know if there are *any* contemporary graphics cards that have 3D acceleration supported by some flavour of open-source x.org? Doesn't have to be a super-fast

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-14 Thread Louis Kowolowski
On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:55:20AM -0400, Sean Bryant wrote: ... Try the 'vesa' xorg driver. It may not be fancy or all that accelerated but it works quite well. I have an nvidia card and cannot get it to work for the life of me. the drive attached, but nothing happens after that. It might

Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Nikolas Britton
We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Give him your two cents. On 3/12/07, Daniel

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Jeremy Chadwick
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Gerard
On Tuesday March 13, 2007 at 03:58:34 (PM) Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Do you in your wildest dreams actually

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Jack Vogel
On 3/13/07, Jeremy Chadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Kip Macy
Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia driver. I have a friend who

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH
On Mar 13, 2007, at 16:33 , Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 02:58:34PM -0500, Nikolas Britton wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Doug Ambrisko
Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I keep seeing people have with the Nvidia |

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Doug Ambrisko wrote: Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Doug Ambrisko wrote: Kip Macy writes: | Please be very careful. The only real alternative (Intel comes and | goes) is Nvidia whose driver is binary-only for i386 (no amd64 | support) and has a history for being notoriously buggy. I only buy ATI | because of the problems I

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get support. Now I'm starting to lean towards

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Garrett Cooper
On Mar 13, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Andrew Reilly wrote: On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:17:00 -0800 (PST) Doug Ambrisko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing that is a plus with nv is that X has some support for it, whereas, the newer ati cards have no support :-( I was a fan of ati since it was easier to get

Re: Don't buy AMD products (was Re: Xorg and ATI card query.)

2007-03-13 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
On 3/13/07, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to start hounding on AMD to publish the developer documentation for all radeon chipsets. I for one will not buy any AMD or ATI components until they decide to fix the problem. Here's the email address of AMD's president: [EMAIL