Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
http://ipucu.enderunix.org/view.php?id=70lang=en On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:44:28 -0700, Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. Thanks in advance, Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
tethys ocean wrote: http://ipucu.enderunix.org/view.php?id=70lang=en Hey great info on this. One question, he has assumed that we are going to put WinXP and FreeBSD on the same drive so in his setup config he has: #this is the name that will appear on the boot menu title FreeBSD #this is where the root (/) system is installed #master disk 1, partition 2 slice a root (hd0,1,a) #how to boot the above system kernel /boot/loader title Windows XP root (hd0,0) Would I change that to: #this is the name that will appear on the boot menu title FreeBSD #this is where the root (/) system is installed #master disk 1, partition 2 slice a root (hd1,0,a) #how to boot the above system kernel /boot/loader title Windows XP root (hd0,0) Thanks for the info. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Jud wrote: On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:12:33 -0700, Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here is the link: http://www.crtech.com/sinda.html I don't see anything in ports. Googling turned up some FEA stuff with what appeared to be fairly nice CAD backends that work on Linux and (occasionally) Unix, a couple with (at least advertised) heat and fluid transfer analysis capabilities, but (1) getting these to run on FreeBSD might involve custom work, and (2) FEA with heat/fluid transfer analysis and CAD backend still doesn't necessarily exactly equal what you need. Jud Thanks for checking into it Jud. I think I'll just continue running it under windows and work on the dual boot thing. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 04:44:28PM -0700, Tom Connolly wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run If you try to set up dual-boot, you're risking doing damage to the XP system. In any case whatsoever. If you're inexperienced, the risk is actually pretty high. on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. Utilities from the DOS/Windows world are frequently stupid and make stupid assumptions, like you only have one big, primary partition and you run one operating system, and might be hazy about telling you which partition and disk they're going to act on. (And it will always be the one you don't want it to.) Even if you're using UNIX utilities, 0-9 and a-z are very susceptible to one letter off typos; if you don't have a full disk image, or are not willing to reinstall everything on the system from scratch, do not even try to make a dual-boot system. The whole process is a gotcha; the architecture wasn't designed with dual-boot in mind. I found the GAG boot manager to be pretty easy and intuitive. -- Adam Fabian ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Yes go ahead and install the BSD boot loader on the XP drive. It will work fine. BTW I haven't come across many Sorry does not work under FreeBSD messages. Could you tell us something about that thermal monitor? I think there must be some compatible port. Yes the program is called SIMBA. It works with an AutoCAD backend. It's a thermal analyzer program used for modeling heat transfer through objects. If you, or anyone, knows of a compatible port I would love to hear about it but I did some research and am pretty sure it won't work under FreeBSD. I would LOVE to be proven wrong here! Regards S. Thanks for the information, Thomas ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Jud wrote: On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:44:28 -0700, Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. You can use the FreeBSD bootloader to boot both OSs (I believe you must install it on both drives). Another nice (and easy) free bootloader/manager that I use to boot Win2K, FreeBSD, DragonFly and the occasional Linux is GAG - URL: http://gag.sourceforge.net/. This thermal analyzer program has no counterpart/substitute in FreeBSD? I have not been able to find one but I would love to be proven wrong here. The program is called SIMBA and it works with an AutoCad engine. Any ideas? Thanks for the info Jud. Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Jud wrote: A bit of Googling found that SIMBA is based on Matlab and Simulink from Mathworks. Here's an email re getting those programs to work on FreeBSD Terribly sorry Jud. The program is actually called SINDA not SIMBA. SINDA/Fluint to be exact. Sorry for the typo. Any ideas on this? Thanks again, Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
And here is the link: http://www.crtech.com/sinda.html Thanks, Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004, Tom Connolly wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. I tried this a few months ago using only the FreeBSD boot manager, and couldn't get anywhere with it. The solution I ultimately ended up using was GRUB. /usr/ports/sysutils/grub It's very complicated, or at least I thought so, but it's very flexible too. On my system, I've got: Primary Master IDE = Windows XP drive Primary Slave IDE = none Secondary Master IDE = CD drive Secondary Slave IDE = FreeBSD And some raid drives that don't really enter into this... WinXP is on the primary master drive because WinXP just isn't happy being mounted anywhere else... You come up with drives like E instead of C and all kinds of other nonstandard stuff, so it's simpler just to play along with Microsoft and make it your primary master drive. The arrangement of the other drives just happened to be what was most convenient for the cabling. This is the configuration file I created to get this to work with GRUB - default 0 timeout 6 title FreeBSD color red/black light-red/black root(hd0,0,a) kernel /boot/loader title WinXP color blue/black light-blue/black map (hd0) (hd2) map (hd2) (hd0) root(hd2,0) makeactive chainloader +1 -- The default 0 and timeout 6 means it boots FreeBSD by default after 6 seconds. The next two blocks describe the two menu choices I get. The menu color settings, as it turns out, don't work. I'm not sure why. I haven't cared enough to investigate further. The root and map directives tell GRUB where to find the partition I want to boot. GRUB has its own mysterious way of counting the drives. It counts my drives backwards from what I think it should, so that's why I have to do all the mapping and why FreeBSD boots off hd0 instead of hd2 or hd3. The kernel directive in the FreeBSD section and the makeactive,chainloader +1 directives in the WinXP section tell the machine where to continue the booting process. All of this is described in the documentation. Since the machine boots from the WinXP disk by default since it's the primary master and has a bootable partition on it, I had to install GRUB onto that disk. GRUB made a bootable floppy that took care of that for me. I still keep that floppy around just in case I ever need to reinstall Windows. Hopefully you'll find a much simpler solution than I did. I just wanted to say that I'm really impressed with GRUB, and that with enough persistence and study, I think it could make just about any dual-boot configuration work. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:12:33 -0700, Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And here is the link: http://www.crtech.com/sinda.html I don't see anything in ports. Googling turned up some FEA stuff with what appeared to be fairly nice CAD backends that work on Linux and (occasionally) Unix, a couple with (at least advertised) heat and fluid transfer analysis capabilities, but (1) getting these to run on FreeBSD might involve custom work, and (2) FEA with heat/fluid transfer analysis and CAD backend still doesn't necessarily exactly equal what you need. Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott Bennett wrote: Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. What hardware would this be on? For example, if it's a Dell computer as shipped by Dell, then, yes, there is a potential problem. Yes, in fact it is a Dell. It's a P4 3.5 GHz machine but I have reformatted the disk using a clean Windows XP Pro disk (not from Dell). Will this solve this hidden partition thing as I have removed the old partitions during the reformat process? Sure, but if you're not running some poorly designed piece of software like Norton Ghost, it probably isn't an issue anyway because you only need one partition for FreeBSD in addition to the three partitions Dell shipped. You wouldn't have any partition table entries left over, but you would have enough. Dell ships its computers with three primary partitions already allocated and populated: a (hidden) service partition, the Windows XP partition, and the Windows XP system restore data partition (also hidden). That leaves only one unused primary partition entry in the Master Boot Record. If you use Norton Ghost to back up your Windows XP system, you will discover that Norton Ghost has an undocumented misfeature that will appear when you allocate that last unused partition table entry to FreeBSD (or to anything else). Norton Ghost expects to find an unused primary partition entry for its own temporary use while doing a full backup. (Grid only knows why it would need *any* kind of partition table entry, but it refuses to do the backup if it doesn't have one available.) The Windows XP system restore partition can be changed from a primary partition to a logical partition, and Windows XP doesn't appear to care. However, creation of a logical partition entry chain ties up one primary partition entry in the MBR, so converting the system restore partition alone doesn't buy you anything. If you then also convert the Dell service partition to a logical partition, Windows XP will no longer complete its startup procedure because there is at least one module (HAL.DLL) that its boot/startup routines will try to load from the service partition, which the startup routines aren't smart enough to find if it's a logical partition. Dell's technical support people eventually told me that the only way around that problem was to wipe out Windows XP and reload it from the CDROMs that they shipped with the computer. I have wiped out the system but with my own copy of WinXP Pro. Will this work? I don't know why not, but, as noted above, it shouldn't have mattered anyway for what you have and want to do. But if you do that, you may then have trouble reinstalling Norton Ghost and getting it to accept the fact that you do already have a paid-for license. Don't have Norton Ghost so I'm not too worried about that. So you probably don't need to keep a spare primary partition table entry around unused. Best of luck to you! Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. Thanks in advance, Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Monday 27 December 2004 06:44 pm, Tom Connolly wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. Thanks in advance, Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recommend that you spend money and get some mobile racks, which will allow you to remove the Windows drive and slip in another. I like the Vantec racks, which are $35 for the whole thing or $30 for just the removable part (I recomment buying the whole thing each time unless you're going to save hundreds of dollars because you're ordering so many). I used to partition drives up and install several OSes on a couple drives. I got tired of Microsoft finding my other OSes and trashing them. Now they can't! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:44:28 -0700, Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. You can use the FreeBSD bootloader to boot both OSs (I believe you must install it on both drives). Another nice (and easy) free bootloader/manager that I use to boot Win2K, FreeBSD, DragonFly and the occasional Linux is GAG - URL: http://gag.sourceforge.net/. This thermal analyzer program has no counterpart/substitute in FreeBSD? Jud ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
Tom Connolly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. What hardware would this be on? For example, if it's a Dell computer as shipped by Dell, then, yes, there is a potential problem. Dell ships its computers with three primary partitions already allocated and populated: a (hidden) service partition, the Windows XP partition, and the Windows XP system restore data partition (also hidden). That leaves only one unused primary partition entry in the Master Boot Record. If you use Norton Ghost to back up your Windows XP system, you will discover that Norton Ghost has an undocumented misfeature that will appear when you allocate that last unused partition table entry to FreeBSD (or to anything else). Norton Ghost expects to find an unused primary partition entry for its own temporary use while doing a full backup. (Grid only knows why it would need *any* kind of partition table entry, but it refuses to do the backup if it doesn't have one available.) The Windows XP system restore partition can be changed from a primary partition to a logical partition, and Windows XP doesn't appear to care. However, creation of a logical partition entry chain ties up one primary partition entry in the MBR, so converting the system restore partition alone doesn't buy you anything. If you then also convert the Dell service partition to a logical partition, Windows XP will no longer complete its startup procedure because there is at least one module (HAL.DLL) that its boot/startup routines will try to load from the service partition, which the startup routines aren't smart enough to find if it's a logical partition. Dell's technical support people eventually told me that the only way around that problem was to wipe out Windows XP and reload it from the CDROMs that they shipped with the computer. But if you do that, you may then have trouble reinstalling Norton Ghost and getting it to accept the fact that you do already have a paid-for license. Instead it may insist that it is just a demo version due to expire soon and reject the license number when you attempt to reregister it. Symantec, of course, is unreachable if you try to get them to support the license and software. But perhaps you do your backups a better way. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Connolly Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:14 To: FreeBSD_Questions Subject: Dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD 5.3 Hello list. I wish to put FreeBSD 5.3 on a new hard drive and have it dual boot with the existing Windows XP system (separate HD). Can I just simply go through the FreeBSD install and have it install the FreeBSD boot manager/loader on the XP drive? I can't risk doing any damage to the XP system as it has a thermal analyzer program on it that won't run on FreeBSD (otherwise I would have no use for XP at all). I would like to know if there are any gotchas or anything that could be a problem. I would really like to hear comments from anyone who has set up such a system. Thanks in advance, Tom ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes go ahead and install the BSD boot loader on the XP drive. It will work fine. BTW I haven't come across many Sorry does not work under FreeBSD messages. Could you tell us something about that thermal monitor? I think there must be some compatible port. Regards S. Indian Institute of Information Technology Subhro Sankha Kar Block AQ-13/1, Sector V Salt Lake City PIN 700091 India smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
