Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-17 Thread Greg Barniskis
Dmitri Furman wrote:
Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. 
I spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 
Desktop.  Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have 
Nvidia video card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild 
kernel to make Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode 
but picture is really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 
32.  I have a 15 Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has 
some pointers on what I have to do to resolve grainy colors problem 
please let me know what I need to do.  Thank you.
Is 1024x768 the native resolution of your flat panel? My 
experience with LCDs is that any deviation from the OEM's 
recommended resolution is likely to result in an ugly display.

The more expensive the panel is, the better it is likely to look at 
alternate resolutions, but generally there can be only one with 
regard to best image quality.

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Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-17 Thread Dmitri Furman
Thank you Greg.  Yes it is native resolution for the display.  This is what 
I run Windows on.  It is also using 60 Hz for refresh rate.

From: Greg Barniskis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dmitri Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:02:01 -0600
Dmitri Furman wrote:
Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 
Desktop.  Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have 
Nvidia video card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild 
kernel to make Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but 
picture is really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I 
have a 15 Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some 
pointers on what I have to do to resolve grainy colors problem please let 
me know what I need to do.  Thank you.
Is 1024x768 the native resolution of your flat panel? My experience with 
LCDs is that any deviation from the OEM's recommended resolution is likely 
to result in an ugly display.

The more expensive the panel is, the better it is likely to look at 
alternate resolutions, but generally there can be only one with regard to 
best image quality.

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Greg Barniskis, Computer Systems Integrator
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Library Interchange Network (LINK)
gregb at scls.lib.wi.us, (608) 266-6348

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Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-17 Thread Paul Mather
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:25:05 -0600, Dmitri Furman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
 spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop.  
 Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video 
 card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make 
 Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but picture is really 
 grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15 Flat Panel 
 monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some pointers on what I have to do 
 to resolve grainy colors problem please let me know what I need to do.  

I'm not sure what you mean when you say grainy, but I do know that
with flat panel monitors you get the crispest display when you run X at
the native resolution of the flat panel monitor.  If you run it at some
other (lower) resolution, the results can be somewhat blurry, IMHO, as
the lower resolution is being mapped onto the higher native resolution
(and sometimes at a different aspect ratio).

So, a fix would be to determine the native resolution of your flat panel
display and to use that (adjusting font sizes, etc. as needed).  In my
case, I was running a Sony 19 CRT monitor at 1152x864 and replaced the
Sony with a flat panel display.  The picture looked a bit fuzzy until I
switched to using the native 1280x1024 resolution of the flat panel, at
which point the picture quality improved dramatically.

Cheers,

Paul.
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Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-17 Thread Greg Barniskis
Dmitri Furman wrote:
Thank you Greg.  Yes it is native resolution for the display.  This is 
what I run Windows on.  It is also using 60 Hz for refresh rate.

From: Greg Barniskis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Dmitri Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:02:01 -0600
Dmitri Furman wrote:
Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly 
appreciated. I spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell 
Dimension 8200 Desktop.  Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg 
to work.  I have Nvidia video card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  
I had to rebuild kernel to make Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run 
in 1024x768 mode but picture is really grainy.  I specified depth at 
24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15 Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone 
had any luck or has some pointers on what I have to do to resolve 
grainy colors problem please let me know what I need to do.  Thank you.
[snip]
Well, sorry it's not the simplest thing. Being an old school CLI 
mode server monkey, I don't really have any great X Windows 
expertise to offer.

FWIW, I set up a 5.3-STABLE box with all the latest gnome2 widgetry 
last week (thinking I might finally be able to stop my brother's use 
of dangerous MS-based web browsing habits if I gave him a 
non-Windows desktop). Although I recompiled a GENERIC kernel after 
cvsup, I didn't have any trouble getting the nvidia driver going 
(card is a 5200) or getting Xorg and gnome2 configured (thank you 
FreeBSD Gnome porters!). Since you mention recompiling your kernel 
to get the video card going, it might be helpful if you provided 
more detail to the list for those whose expertise might come to bear 
on it.

I might also suggest simple trial and error; if you can put a 
regular tube monitor on this system, and/or if you can try different 
X Windows configuration settings with the panel, it might be telling 
if the problem gets better or worse.

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Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-17 Thread Greg Barniskis
Greg Barniskis wrote:
...
Well, sorry it's not the simplest thing. Being an old school CLI mode 
server monkey, I don't really have any great X Windows expertise to offer.
No sooner had I sent this than I recalled the result of a previous 
experiment I performed trying to get KDE running on 5.2 quite a 
while ago. The default desktop background was set to a particular 
gray color, which when viewed on my monitor caused an *awful* moire 
pattern. This problem went away when I changed the desktop color to 
anything else. Is that your problem?

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RE: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-17 Thread Dmitri Furman
I was able to resolve the issue.  I did not have DefaultDepth setup in 
Monitor section. I added a line:

DefaultDepth 24
In screen section and everything looks great now.
Thank you.
From: Dmitri Furman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Grainy X Windows and KDE.
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 23:25:05 -0600
Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop. 
 Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video 
card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make 
Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but picture is 
really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15 
Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some pointers on what I 
have to do to resolve grainy colors problem please let me know what I need 
to do.  Thank you.

Dmitri Furman
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Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-16 Thread Dmitri Furman
Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I 
spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop.  
Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video 
card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make 
Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but picture is really 
grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15 Flat Panel 
monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some pointers on what I have to do 
to resolve grainy colors problem please let me know what I need to do.  
Thank you.

Dmitri Furman
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Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-16 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Wednesday, 16 February 2005 at 23:25:05 -0600, Dmitri Furman wrote:
 Dear FreeBSD experts.  Your help with this would be greatly appreciated. I
 spent a week now trying to setup FreeBSD on my Dell Dimension 8200 Desktop.
 Most of the time was spent setting up Xorg to work.  I have Nvidia video
 card GeForce MX4400 with 32 MB or RAM.  I had to rebuild kernel to make
 Nvidia driver work.  I am able to run in 1024x768 mode but picture is
 really grainy.  I specified depth at 24 and also tried 32.  I have a 15
 Flat Panel monitor.  If anyone had any luck or has some pointers on what I
 have to do to resolve grainy colors problem please let me know what I need
 to do.  Thank you.

How about posting a screen shot somewhere?  It's not very clear what
you mean here.

Greg
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Re: Grainy X Windows and KDE.

2005-02-16 Thread Anthony Atkielski
Greg 'groggy' Lehey writes:

 How about posting a screen shot somewhere?  It's not very clear what
 you mean here.

It sounds like 256-color mode and/or dithering of colors.  That
shouldn't be necessary at 16-bit color or beyond, though.

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