Re: I'd like some help
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 12:18:11PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 19:51 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 09:10:04AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 14:58 -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Go to the download section of the site and download the iso files. Once you have those, double click on them and burn them to disk. Last I checked, the MS Windows built-in CD burning software didn't do burning from an image -- you'd need third-party software. Burning an ISO without such software would just result in a copy of the ISO on the CD, rather than a CD that would boot up an installer. Which software were you using and how long ago? I've used Roxio, Nero, and Easy CD Creator- all of which did that. Most bundled burning software will do it automatically. They offer burn from cd/dvd image, as well as data cd creation, so when you double click on an iso file it sets up to burn the image for you. If you haven't got the bundled software installed I agree with you though. Fairly uncommon though. Err, I didn't notice this until now. Please excuse my late reply. I was talking about the CD burning software that's built in to MS Windows XP, not any third-party software. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] John W. Russell: People point. Sometimes that's just easier. They also use words. Sometimes that's just easier. For the same reasons that pointing has not made words obsolete, there will always be command lines. pgpjBkQNcNjKf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: I'd like some help
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:18:11 +1000 Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 19:51 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 09:10:04AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 14:58 -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Go to the download section of the site and download the iso files. Once you have those, double click on them and burn them to disk. Last I checked, the MS Windows built-in CD burning software didn't do burning from an image -- you'd need third-party software. Burning an ISO without such software would just result in a copy of the ISO on the CD, rather than a CD that would boot up an installer. Which software were you using and how long ago? I've used Roxio, Nero, and Easy CD Creator- all of which did that. Most bundled burning software will do it automatically. They offer burn from cd/dvd image, as well as data cd creation, so when you double click on an iso file it sets up to burn the image for you. If you haven't got the bundled software installed I agree with you though. Fairly uncommon though. You can get some free utilities here: http://www.petri.co.il/how_to_write_iso_files_to_cd.htm -- Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] The thrill is here, but it won't last long You'd better have your fun before it moves along... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: I'd like some help
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:58:24PM -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Well, you generally want an ftp client. Use it to ftp to: ftp.freebsd.org Use 'anonymous' for login id and your email address for password. From there cd to pub/FreeBSD/releases (NOTE that case is significant) At this point, you need to know the type of machine. It is most likely i386 or amd64. amd64 is for the AMD64 processor. i386 is for all of the regular INTEL type processors that regular PCs use and your most likely choice. So, cd to i386and thenISO-IMAGES Then you have to select the version. I would suggest starting with 7.0 cd cd to 7.0 So that ends you up in: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0 Then download the necessary ISOs. If you have a reasonable internet connection, you can install over the net. That is really the best if you can do it. In that case, you only need the file 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.ISO If you hav a slow or unreliable network connection, then you may also need disc2 and even disc3. They have the ports' source code on them. Presuming disc1 is good enough, burn the file to a cd. Note that the file is already an ISO and doesn't need to be converted. It needs to be burned as a raw file to the CD. Some cd burner utilities make this a bit confusing. Each is a little different. You now need to decide how to divide the hard disk and if you will be putting only FreeBSD on the harddisk or sharing one with some other OS such as something from Microsloth (called dual booting). In any case, you have to have a slice dedicated to FreeBSD. Note that FreeBSD UNIX uses the term slice but Microsloth uses the term 'primary partition' to refer to a slice. The UNIX slice and the MS primary partition are essentially the same and are compatible. In BSD, a slice is further divided in to 'partitions'. Microsloth uses 'extended partitions'. But those MS extended partitions are completely different and incompatible with UNIX partitions. If you are sharing a disk, you will need to use some utility to shrink the existing disk allocation to make room for FreeBSD. Only 4 slices/primary partitions (names 1..4) are allowed on a disk in current systems. Typically a major vendor puts some proprietary diagnostic and hardware utilities in the first [small] slice and marks it hidden. Hidden is only meaningful to Microsloth systems. It remains visible to UNIX. Then they put the MS OS (XP or whatever) on slice 2 and make that slice contain all the rest of the disk, leaving slice 3 and slice 4 empty and unused.So, to fit FreeBSD on the disk, it becomes necessary to shrink that slice 2 to free up some space to allocate to another slice - most likely slice-3. I have used a commercial utility called Partition Magic successfully in the past to manipulate the slices and make room. That was with a version 7.0 of PM which was put out by a company called Power Quest. But, it got sold and the new owner put a version 8.0 which has not been as successful as far as I can see. I tried to use it to slice a USB disk and it would not talk to it, even though its promotional literature made a special point of advertising it would. So, I returned it for a refund. In consequence I get a utility called Gparted, made the boot floppy and was quite successful with using it to manipulate the disk. Just do a little search with google and find it and download it. It works fine. There are some other freeware utilities out there, but most will not work with the NTFS type Microsloth filesystem which is common nowdays. So, check on that. Gparted seems to handle it OK. Anyway, lets say you carve out a nice 40 GB of disk for FreeBSD and that is in slice 3 - a common circumstance.If you have a whole disk to decicate to FreeBSD the rest of this applies. You just don't need to go through the gyrations to make room on a shared disk and the disk name is slightly different - probably ad1 instead of ad0. Once you have space on the disk to fit FreeBSD, then boot up the FreeBSD install CD. Choose the appropriate location to do the install. That will probably be ad0s1 if you are making FreeBSD the only OS on the machine or ad0s3 of a shared drive or ad1s1 of a dedicated second drive. Choose that and then divide the slice as needed/desired. This becomes almost a religious issue and there are many reasons for doing it many different ways. The main ideas are: use a single partition, plus swap, or choose the defauly divisions, or a newer division scheme that takes in to consideration that sizes have grown in recent years. Note, the rule of thumb for swap is 2.2 X the RAM size, but some people use more or less of swap. There are
Re: I'd like some help
On Windows, I can really recommend the freeware burner program CDBurnerXP: http://cdburnerxp.se/ Christian Zachariasen On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:58:24PM -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Well, you generally want an ftp client. Use it to ftp to: ftp.freebsd.org Use 'anonymous' for login id and your email address for password. From there cd to pub/FreeBSD/releases (NOTE that case is significant) At this point, you need to know the type of machine. It is most likely i386 or amd64. amd64 is for the AMD64 processor. i386 is for all of the regular INTEL type processors that regular PCs use and your most likely choice. So, cd to i386and thenISO-IMAGES Then you have to select the version. I would suggest starting with 7.0 cd cd to 7.0 So that ends you up in: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0 Then download the necessary ISOs. If you have a reasonable internet connection, you can install over the net. That is really the best if you can do it. In that case, you only need the file 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.ISO If you hav a slow or unreliable network connection, then you may also need disc2 and even disc3. They have the ports' source code on them. Presuming disc1 is good enough, burn the file to a cd. Note that the file is already an ISO and doesn't need to be converted. It needs to be burned as a raw file to the CD. Some cd burner utilities make this a bit confusing. Each is a little different. You now need to decide how to divide the hard disk and if you will be putting only FreeBSD on the harddisk or sharing one with some other OS such as something from Microsloth (called dual booting). In any case, you have to have a slice dedicated to FreeBSD. Note that FreeBSD UNIX uses the term slice but Microsloth uses the term 'primary partition' to refer to a slice. The UNIX slice and the MS primary partition are essentially the same and are compatible. In BSD, a slice is further divided in to 'partitions'. Microsloth uses 'extended partitions'. But those MS extended partitions are completely different and incompatible with UNIX partitions. If you are sharing a disk, you will need to use some utility to shrink the existing disk allocation to make room for FreeBSD. Only 4 slices/primary partitions (names 1..4) are allowed on a disk in current systems. Typically a major vendor puts some proprietary diagnostic and hardware utilities in the first [small] slice and marks it hidden. Hidden is only meaningful to Microsloth systems. It remains visible to UNIX. Then they put the MS OS (XP or whatever) on slice 2 and make that slice contain all the rest of the disk, leaving slice 3 and slice 4 empty and unused.So, to fit FreeBSD on the disk, it becomes necessary to shrink that slice 2 to free up some space to allocate to another slice - most likely slice-3. I have used a commercial utility called Partition Magic successfully in the past to manipulate the slices and make room. That was with a version 7.0 of PM which was put out by a company called Power Quest. But, it got sold and the new owner put a version 8.0 which has not been as successful as far as I can see. I tried to use it to slice a USB disk and it would not talk to it, even though its promotional literature made a special point of advertising it would. So, I returned it for a refund. In consequence I get a utility called Gparted, made the boot floppy and was quite successful with using it to manipulate the disk. Just do a little search with google and find it and download it. It works fine. There are some other freeware utilities out there, but most will not work with the NTFS type Microsloth filesystem which is common nowdays. So, check on that. Gparted seems to handle it OK. Anyway, lets say you carve out a nice 40 GB of disk for FreeBSD and that is in slice 3 - a common circumstance.If you have a whole disk to decicate to FreeBSD the rest of this applies. You just don't need to go through the gyrations to make room on a shared disk and the disk name is slightly different - probably ad1 instead of ad0. Once you have space on the disk to fit FreeBSD, then boot up the FreeBSD install CD. Choose the appropriate location to do the install. That will probably be ad0s1 if you are making FreeBSD the only OS on the machine or ad0s3 of a shared drive or ad1s1 of a dedicated second drive. Choose that and then divide the slice as needed/desired. This becomes almost a religious issue and there are many reasons for doing it many different ways. The main ideas are: use a single
Re: I'd like some help
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 18:03 +0100, Christian Zachariasen wrote: On Windows, I can really recommend the freeware burner program CDBurnerXP: http://cdburnerxp.se/ Christian Zachariasen On Windows XP, I usuall recommend infrarecorder: http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/ It's a nice FOSS CD burning application. James On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 02:58:24PM -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Well, you generally want an ftp client. Use it to ftp to: ftp.freebsd.org Use 'anonymous' for login id and your email address for password. From there cd to pub/FreeBSD/releases (NOTE that case is significant) At this point, you need to know the type of machine. It is most likely i386 or amd64. amd64 is for the AMD64 processor. i386 is for all of the regular INTEL type processors that regular PCs use and your most likely choice. So, cd to i386and thenISO-IMAGES Then you have to select the version. I would suggest starting with 7.0 cd cd to 7.0 So that ends you up in: pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0 Then download the necessary ISOs. If you have a reasonable internet connection, you can install over the net. That is really the best if you can do it. In that case, you only need the file 7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.ISO If you hav a slow or unreliable network connection, then you may also need disc2 and even disc3. They have the ports' source code on them. Presuming disc1 is good enough, burn the file to a cd. Note that the file is already an ISO and doesn't need to be converted. It needs to be burned as a raw file to the CD. Some cd burner utilities make this a bit confusing. Each is a little different. You now need to decide how to divide the hard disk and if you will be putting only FreeBSD on the harddisk or sharing one with some other OS such as something from Microsloth (called dual booting). In any case, you have to have a slice dedicated to FreeBSD. Note that FreeBSD UNIX uses the term slice but Microsloth uses the term 'primary partition' to refer to a slice. The UNIX slice and the MS primary partition are essentially the same and are compatible. In BSD, a slice is further divided in to 'partitions'. Microsloth uses 'extended partitions'. But those MS extended partitions are completely different and incompatible with UNIX partitions. If you are sharing a disk, you will need to use some utility to shrink the existing disk allocation to make room for FreeBSD. Only 4 slices/primary partitions (names 1..4) are allowed on a disk in current systems. Typically a major vendor puts some proprietary diagnostic and hardware utilities in the first [small] slice and marks it hidden. Hidden is only meaningful to Microsloth systems. It remains visible to UNIX. Then they put the MS OS (XP or whatever) on slice 2 and make that slice contain all the rest of the disk, leaving slice 3 and slice 4 empty and unused.So, to fit FreeBSD on the disk, it becomes necessary to shrink that slice 2 to free up some space to allocate to another slice - most likely slice-3. I have used a commercial utility called Partition Magic successfully in the past to manipulate the slices and make room. That was with a version 7.0 of PM which was put out by a company called Power Quest. But, it got sold and the new owner put a version 8.0 which has not been as successful as far as I can see. I tried to use it to slice a USB disk and it would not talk to it, even though its promotional literature made a special point of advertising it would. So, I returned it for a refund. In consequence I get a utility called Gparted, made the boot floppy and was quite successful with using it to manipulate the disk. Just do a little search with google and find it and download it. It works fine. There are some other freeware utilities out there, but most will not work with the NTFS type Microsloth filesystem which is common nowdays. So, check on that. Gparted seems to handle it OK. Anyway, lets say you carve out a nice 40 GB of disk for FreeBSD and that is in slice 3 - a common circumstance.If you have a whole disk to decicate to FreeBSD the rest of this applies. You just don't need to go through the gyrations to make room on a shared disk and the disk name is slightly different - probably ad1 instead of ad0. Once you have space on the disk to fit FreeBSD, then boot up the FreeBSD install CD. Choose the appropriate location to do the install. That will probably be ad0s1 if you are
Re: I'd like some help
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 09:10:04AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 14:58 -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Go to the download section of the site and download the iso files. Once you have those, double click on them and burn them to disk. Last I checked, the MS Windows built-in CD burning software didn't do burning from an image -- you'd need third-party software. Burning an ISO without such software would just result in a copy of the ISO on the CD, rather than a CD that would boot up an installer. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] McCloctnick the Lucid: The first rule of magic is simple. Don't waste your time waving your hands and hopping when a rock or a club will do. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I'd like some help
On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 19:51 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 09:10:04AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 14:58 -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? Go to the download section of the site and download the iso files. Once you have those, double click on them and burn them to disk. Last I checked, the MS Windows built-in CD burning software didn't do burning from an image -- you'd need third-party software. Burning an ISO without such software would just result in a copy of the ISO on the CD, rather than a CD that would boot up an installer. Which software were you using and how long ago? I've used Roxio, Nero, and Easy CD Creator- all of which did that. Most bundled burning software will do it automatically. They offer burn from cd/dvd image, as well as data cd creation, so when you double click on an iso file it sets up to burn the image for you. If you haven't got the bundled software installed I agree with you though. Fairly uncommon though. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like some help
I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? -Thanks, Matthew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I'd like some help
I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? The easiest method is probably to download CD-ROM images as per instructions at: http://www.freebsd.org/where.html More specifically for amd64 (if you have one of the newer 64 bit computers) you have: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/ Or for i386 (older 32 bit): ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/ DIsc 1 (ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/7.0-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso and ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/7.0/7.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso respectively) are enough to install the operating system directly from CD. For actually burning the images onto a physical CD, you would have to use whichever CD burning software you have in Windows XP. Make sure you consult the FreeBSD handbook in relation to installation and aftewards: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ I don't know if this made any more sense than what you have already read. If things are unclear, please clarify what part you are having trouble will! -- / Peter Schuller PGP userID: 0xE9758B7D or 'Peter Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED]' Key retrieval: Send an E-Mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.scode.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: I'd like some help
On Sat, 2008-03-22 at 14:58 -0700, Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? -Thanks, Matthew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Go to the download section of the site and download the iso files. Once you have those, double click on them and burn them to disk. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I'd like some help
Matthew Woodson wrote: I've been learning about a bunch of the BSD OSes, and i want to try Free BSD, but i can't figure out how to download it and the instructions don't make sense. I am running Windows XP OS- can you tell me how to download Free BSD with it? First of all: please break your lines so that they are roughly 72 chars long. Thank you. At what point are you stuck? A few words about that might help. I believe most of us install the system straight over the Net - simply because this is the easiest way. If you want to try it, you can download the bootonly.iso quickly, since it is very small: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ISO-IMAGES-i386/7.0/7.0-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso Burn this to a CD, and boot from it. Make sure you understand the implications of giving FreeBSD a partition of its own before you even start. Don't hesitate to get back here many times for more questions if you feel the need. -- Tore ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
