Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. The dvd creation utility might be part of the back and recovery partition. I've used the recovery dvd's 2 or 3 times, they work fine, including recreating the recovery partition. Sorry i can't give you more exact details, HTH. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry The dvd creation utility might be part of the back and recovery partition. I've used the recovery dvd's 2 or 3 times, they work fine, including recreating the recovery partition. Sorry i can't give you more exact details, HTH. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 18:05 -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry Thats how I read it too. That said I'll recognize you guys as the experts- its been years since I had to dual boot! I seem to have forgotten a lot of it... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 10:19:00PM +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry I have a HP laptop which came with a recovery partition. I don't have windows on the laptop now but I used to and: a) somewhere there is a utility to make recovery dvds which do the same job so you can remove the recovery partition. b) there is a HP backup and recovery utility - you might have to install it from the HP software. There is an option to remove the recovery partition with it. Sure, you can nuke the vendor maintenance slice if you want to and get rid of the MS stuff as well at the same time. But, the OP seemed to want to keep those and add FreeBSD to the system. jerry I meant to suggest that you can put the recovery slice onto DVD to reclaim an additional 5gb disk space. So my whole procedure would be - create backup dvd's (with the HP backup and recovery manager software if I'm right in thinking that's where this utility lives). Test them! - get rid of the recovery slice using the backup and recovery manager. XP should now be the first slice (primary partition) if it wasn't already - use gparted or other suitable utility to shrink the XP slice - install FreeBSD in the new free space. If the laptop is still under warranty you probably need to be able to reinstall it to factory state before you can talk to them about a warranty claim - hence the recovery dvd's. Chris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. Thanks, tsai -- tsai ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
I used gparted (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ ) to move the XP partition to make room for fBSD. You make a bootable CD and I found it to be quite simple. Make sure that your XP partition is defragmented before using gparted. Otherwise, gparted will not let you manipulate the partition. Once you make a decent partition for fBSD (mine is around 25G), just follow fBSD's installation docs ( http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/install.html [+]) . Again, it's pretty easy. On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 8:13 AM, tsai tsai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. Thanks, tsai -- tsai ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- www.nealhogan.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:13:45AM -0800, tsai wrote: Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. The FreeBSD Handbook - free online at the FreeBSD web site - has a whole section on that. It is easy. The machine on which I am typing is dual boot with FreeBSD Win-XP. Basically, you first have to shrink the XP slice (which is called a primary partition in the MS world) to make room for FreeBSD. Probably the best utility for that nowdays is gpartd which is available for free. Just do a little search and then burn a bootable copy of it to a CD. It works with NTFS as well as other MS file system types and some other freeware does not. You can also use the Parition Magic commercial product, but stick with version 7 which works well as long as it is on a hard disk. Version 8 of Partition Magic doesn't work well. Neither of them work with USB connected drives even though Version 8 claims to do so. But, gpartd does also work with USB drives. After shrinking the MS slice, then create a second bootable slice - which they call a primary partition. It may complain a bit about having two primary partitions, but don't worry about that. Also, make sure the MS-XP slice is first on the drive. It gets confused if it is not the first bootable slice on the drive. FreeBSD is happy to boot from wherever you tell it. One small and esotheric exception is that some hardware companies such as Dell and HP, put a diagnostic slice (primary partition) in front of MS-Win on the disk. But they get around it by marking it as a 'hidden' primary partition so MS MBRs do not 'see' it and just ignore it. (But FreeBSD MBRs do see it and usually label it as ??? in the menu, leaving you to ignore it) So, leave that hardware maintenance slice where it is, have the MS-XP slice next followed by the FreeBSD slice and, if you find it useful, an additional small slice that you make in to a FAT32 type. If the MS-XP slice is NTFS, it is handy to have a FA32 type slice around to use to transfer files between MS and FreeBSD.Four or five GB should be plenty depending on your usage. Alternatively, if you have shrunk the MS slice down below the max size for Fat32, then you can just convert the NTFS system to FAT32. I don't remember if gpartd will do that, but Partition Magic (version 7) will do it nicely. That introduces some limitations, plus FAT is not thought to be quite as reliable as NTFS, but I have never had any problem doing that. If you have no need to transfer files between the systems, then it is a moot point and don't bother worrying about this. When you get done with all this, everything will look just the same to the MS-XP machine, except it will have less disk space. FreeBSD will see all those slices. Presuming all those slices I mentioned, they will be identified as follows. /dev/ad0s1 - Maintenance slice /dev/ad0s2 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s3 - FreeBSD slice /dev/ad0s4 - Extra file transfer FAT32 slice Or, without the extras, it would be: /dev/ad0s1 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s2 - FreeBSD slice That is for ATA or SATA drives. SCSI or SAS drives would be named /dev/da0... Once you have this slice creation done, just boot the sysinstall CD and install FreeBSD to the FreeBSD slice you created. It should see those slices and only write to the one you specify. Make it write the FreeBSD MBR (the MS MBR won't work) and select the option for making the slice bootable, just like you would if installing FreeBSD by itself on the disk. Everything else is just like a normal install. Note: Of course, the total size you have to deal with when you do the partitioning in to a for /, b for swap, d for whatever, etc will be the size of the slice you made for FreeBSD, not the size of the disk itself. Then when you boot, you will see a menu that asks you to select which bootable slice to boot and you specify it using the 'F' keys eg F1, F2, F3 and it should look something like this. F1 - ??? F2 - MS-DOS(or ??? if NTFS) F3 - FreeBSD If you make that extra file transfer FAT32 slice, do not mark that as bootable and it should not show up in the menu. But the maintenance slice will show up as F1 - ??? if you have one. Have fun, jerry Thanks, tsai -- tsai ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Installing FreeBSD with Windows XP
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 01:05:42PM -0800, tsai wrote: Jerry, You read my mind. That was going to be my next question; how to get around the proprietary recovery section HP installed from the start. You hit the nail on the head! I will try this soon. Yup. Basically, you just ignore it, leave it alone - anyway as long as MS-SP isn't bothered by it. jerry Thanks, tsai On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Jerry McAllister jerr...@msu.edu wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 06:13:45AM -0800, tsai wrote: Hi all, Is there a tutorial on how to install FreeBSD on a system which already has Windows XP on it? The goal is to have dual-boot with both. The FreeBSD Handbook - free online at the FreeBSD web site - has a whole section on that. It is easy. The machine on which I am typing is dual boot with FreeBSD Win-XP. Basically, you first have to shrink the XP slice (which is called a primary partition in the MS world) to make room for FreeBSD. Probably the best utility for that nowdays is gpartd which is available for free. Just do a little search and then burn a bootable copy of it to a CD. It works with NTFS as well as other MS file system types and some other freeware does not. You can also use the Parition Magic commercial product, but stick with version 7 which works well as long as it is on a hard disk. Version 8 of Partition Magic doesn't work well. Neither of them work with USB connected drives even though Version 8 claims to do so. But, gpartd does also work with USB drives. After shrinking the MS slice, then create a second bootable slice - which they call a primary partition. It may complain a bit about having two primary partitions, but don't worry about that. Also, make sure the MS-XP slice is first on the drive. It gets confused if it is not the first bootable slice on the drive. FreeBSD is happy to boot from wherever you tell it. One small and esotheric exception is that some hardware companies such as Dell and HP, put a diagnostic slice (primary partition) in front of MS-Win on the disk. But they get around it by marking it as a 'hidden' primary partition so MS MBRs do not 'see' it and just ignore it. (But FreeBSD MBRs do see it and usually label it as ??? in the menu, leaving you to ignore it) So, leave that hardware maintenance slice where it is, have the MS-XP slice next followed by the FreeBSD slice and, if you find it useful, an additional small slice that you make in to a FAT32 type. If the MS-XP slice is NTFS, it is handy to have a FA32 type slice around to use to transfer files between MS and FreeBSD.Four or five GB should be plenty depending on your usage. Alternatively, if you have shrunk the MS slice down below the max size for Fat32, then you can just convert the NTFS system to FAT32. I don't remember if gpartd will do that, but Partition Magic (version 7) will do it nicely. That introduces some limitations, plus FAT is not thought to be quite as reliable as NTFS, but I have never had any problem doing that. If you have no need to transfer files between the systems, then it is a moot point and don't bother worrying about this. When you get done with all this, everything will look just the same to the MS-XP machine, except it will have less disk space. FreeBSD will see all those slices. Presuming all those slices I mentioned, they will be identified as follows. /dev/ad0s1 - Maintenance slice /dev/ad0s2 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s3 - FreeBSD slice /dev/ad0s4 - Extra file transfer FAT32 slice Or, without the extras, it would be: /dev/ad0s1 - XP slice (either NTFS or FAT32) /dev/ad0s2 - FreeBSD slice That is for ATA or SATA drives. SCSI or SAS drives would be named /dev/da0... Once you have this slice creation done, just boot the sysinstall CD and install FreeBSD to the FreeBSD slice you created. It should see those slices and only write to the one you specify. Make it write the FreeBSD MBR (the MS MBR won't work) and select the option for making the slice bootable, just like you would if installing FreeBSD by itself on the disk. Everything else is just like a normal install. Note: Of course, the total size you have to deal with when you do the partitioning in to a for /, b for swap, d for whatever, etc will be the size of the slice you made for FreeBSD, not the size of the disk itself. Then when you boot, you will see a menu that asks you to select which bootable slice to boot and you specify it using the 'F' keys eg F1, F2, F3 and it should look something like this. F1 - ??? F2 - MS-DOS(or ??? if NTFS) F3 - FreeBSD If you make that extra file transfer FAT32 slice, do not mark that as bootable and it should not show up in the menu. But the maintenance slice will show up as F1 - ??? if
