Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:24:47 -0400, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Jerry wrote: [ ... ] I honestly enjoy satire. That said, it does not change the fact that a serviceable version of Java, suitable for Firefox-3.6, does not exist within the FreeBSD framework. That's pretty much accurate, if you don't want to consider running FF+Java under Linux emulation. [ ... ] High-level religious arguments aside, could we get a little advice the for newbie who wants to try using FreeBSD, but needs Java to work with Firefox? (As this is the 'questions' list, and not the 'debate what fBSD devs ought to be working on' list.) Here's what I know, for posterity sake.. Firefox 3.6 needs Java 6 Update 10. [1] For now, as a newbie, I generally try not to install anything not in the ports collection. From there you can find some JREs, but none are at Update 10, including Linux emulation. [2] At this time, the highest I see there is diablo-jre-1.6.0.07.02_8. That's okay, I really wanted the full JDK anyway, so I look for that. [3] There appears to be four flavors available; diablo-jdk, openjdk, jdk and linux-sun-jdk: diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9 openjdk-7.0.86 (requires diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9) jdk-1.6.0.3p4_15 (requires diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9, and is based on 1.6.0_03 (aka 6u3)) linux-sun-jdk-1.6.0.20 It looks like the Linux version is the only one up-to-date enough for Firefox 3.6. Would that only work with the Linux version of Firefox 3.6? If so, then one must go outside of the ports collection to get it. [4] At this time, the highest version I see in ports is linux-firefox-devel-3.5.9. I suspect the best thing to do would be to go with a current JDK and an older version of (native) Firefox, and not upgrade Firefox until the JDK version gets to Java 6 Update 10, allowing the JDK to upgrade naturally along with the rest of keeping my system up to date. If folks in-the-know around here agree with that, I'll probably start a new thread 'Which JDK?', as I find that confusing. Thanks, Brian [1] http://java.com/en/download/faq/firefox_newplugin.xml [2] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=jre [3] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=jdksektion=java [4] http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux-firefox ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:19 PM, bdsf...@att.net wrote: Firefox 3.6 needs Java 6 Update 10. [1] For now, as a newbie, I generally try not to install anything not in the ports collection. From there you can find some JREs, but none are at Update 10, including Linux emulation. [2] At this time, the highest I see there is diablo-jre-1.6.0.07.02_8. That's okay, I really wanted the full JDK anyway, so I look for that. [3] There appears to be four flavors available; diablo-jdk, openjdk, jdk and linux-sun-jdk: diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9 openjdk-7.0.86 (requires diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9) jdk-1.6.0.3p4_15 (requires diablo-jdk-1.6.0.07.02_9, and is based on 1.6.0_03 (aka 6u3)) linux-sun-jdk-1.6.0.20 The problem is that java/jdk16 hasn't been updated for a LONG time. I gave up hope that it will be updated, and I've had to install java/openjdk6 instead, just to be able to start Freenet (from http://freenetproject.org/), because Freenet wouldn't start otherwise due to some big XML vulnerability in our old not yet updated java/jdk16. Maybe the problem is similar with Firefox 3.6? It looks like the Linux version is the only one up-to-date enough for Firefox 3.6. Would that only work with the Linux version of Firefox 3.6? If so, then one must go outside of the ports collection to get it. [4] At this time, the highest version I see in ports is linux-firefox-devel-3.5.9. I suspect the best thing to do would be to go with a current JDK and an older version of (native) Firefox, and not upgrade Firefox until the JDK version gets to Java 6 Update 10, allowing the JDK to upgrade naturally along with the rest of keeping my system up to date. If folks in-the-know around here agree with that, I'll probably start a new thread 'Which JDK?', as I find that confusing. Thanks, Brian -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:50:04 +0200 Harry Matthiesen Jensen free...@elgert.dk articulated: On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 12:20:08AM +, Márcio C.G. wrote: As this link (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10570) says, JAVA PLUGIN WONT WORK WITH FIREFOX 3.6. I tried to use linux-sun-jdk16 port, but the plugin didn t work too. Is there an workaround or anybody that knows how-to use java plugin within firefox 3.6? I just portinstall firefox3, which right now will give you Firefox 3.5.9, and java works ;-) The OP requested help with Firefox-3.6, not with older deprecated versions. Perhaps when version '4' is released, support for Java in '3.6.x' will become available. -- Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 06:08:24AM -0400, Jerry wrote: I just portinstall firefox3, which right now will give you Firefox 3.5.9, and java works ;-) The OP requested help with Firefox-3.6, not with older deprecated I am fully aware of that... The short answer would be not yet possible or just wait, will come later... which in my world not is an answer anyone can use.. I just showed a way of getting java support in Firefox 3 ;-) -- Mvh/Brgds Harry FreeBSD 8.1-PRERELEASE #3: Compiled at Mon Jun 7 01:54:25 CEST 2010 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 314, Issue 1, Message: 33 On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:08:24 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:50:04 +0200 Harry Matthiesen Jensen free...@elgert.dk articulated: On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 12:20:08AM +, Márcio C.G. wrote: As this link (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10570) says, JAVA PLUGIN WONT WORK WITH FIREFOX 3.6. I tried to use linux-sun-jdk16 port, but the plugin didn t work too. Is there an workaround or anybody that knows how-to use java plugin within firefox 3.6? I just portinstall firefox3, which right now will give you Firefox 3.5.9, and java works ;-) The OP requested help with Firefox-3.6, not with older deprecated versions. Perhaps when version '4' is released, support for Java in '3.6.x' will become available. Dear Jerry, as CEO of FreeBSD Multinational Corporation Incorporated, please allow me to personally apologise for this unforgiveable lapse by our 'Keep FreeBSD 100% Firefox-Compatible' Department; trust me, heads will roll. Unfortunately, I'm so high up in the hierarchy that I'm rarely familiar with the names of those minions down on the 13th floor hired to do the actual programming. It would be most helpful if you could apportion blame directly to those individual/s responsible; otherwise I'll have to work through layers of department heads, middle management, team leaders and such, and you know how they can close ranks in a crisis. It may take some time, but rest assured we'll catch and fire him, her or them! Thank you for your patience during our investigation of your complaint. If still dissatisfied, of course I shall personally authorise the full refund of your purchase price. Best of luck, Ian (CEO FMCI, SENSAUMA, and bar) If you have received this message by mistake, it must be my mistake for sending it to the wrong address; silly me eh? Common law holds that any communication I send you is, failing prior confidentiality agreements by you, yours to communicate to whomever you wish. This message is in plain text so cannot contain any virus, worm or clue, except that language itself is a virus, so a clue to cans of worms. No guarantees can be given of any of it making the slightest sense. Any conclusions you jump to are yours to keep. No change is given. Long, officious disclaimers make me appear important, if officious. Caveat Bloggor! Life is risky and not nohow permanent anyway ^}=___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:46:16 -0400, Harry Matthiesen Jensen free...@elgert.dk wrote: The short answer would be not yet possible or just wait, will come later... which in my world not is an answer anyone can use.. I've been looking for some indication as to how much later later is.. one week, one month, one year..? bds ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
RE: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
As this link (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10570) says, JAVA PLUGIN WONT WORK WITH FIREFOX 3.6. I tried to use linux-sun-jdk16 port, but the plugin didn t work too. Is there an workaround or anybody that knows how-to use java plugin within firefox 3.6? Thanks in advance, Marcio C. Goulart I'm just trying to figure out some way to make the plugin available in linux-sun-jdk16 work within Firefox 3.6. If it works in Firefox under Linux, probably should work with FreeBSD+Firefox 3.6+linuxulator etc. I guess. If someone got an idea in that way, I would appreciate that. Thanks in advace, Márcio C. Goulart. _ NINGUÉM PRECISA SABER O QUE VOCÊ ESTÁ COMPRANDO. LEIA MAIS SOBRE ESSE ASSUNTO AQUI. http://www.microsoft.com/brasil/windows/internet-explorer/features/browse-privately.aspx?tabid=1catid=1WT.mc_id=1590___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:13:01 +1000 (EST) Ian Smith smi...@nimnet.asn.au articulated: In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 314, Issue 1, Message: 33 On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:08:24 -0400 Jerry freebsd.u...@seibercom.net wrote: On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 07:50:04 +0200 Harry Matthiesen Jensen free...@elgert.dk articulated: On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 12:20:08AM +, Márcio C.G. wrote: As this link (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10570) says, JAVA PLUGIN WONT WORK WITH FIREFOX 3.6. I tried to use linux-sun-jdk16 port, but the plugin didn t work too. Is there an workaround or anybody that knows how-to use java plugin within firefox 3.6? I just portinstall firefox3, which right now will give you Firefox 3.5.9, and java works ;-) The OP requested help with Firefox-3.6, not with older deprecated versions. Perhaps when version '4' is released, support for Java in '3.6.x' will become available. Dear Jerry, as CEO of FreeBSD Multinational Corporation Incorporated, please allow me to personally apologise for this unforgiveable lapse by our 'Keep FreeBSD 100% Firefox-Compatible' Department; trust me, heads will roll. Unfortunately, I'm so high up in the hierarchy that I'm rarely familiar with the names of those minions down on the 13th floor hired to do the actual programming. It would be most helpful if you could apportion blame directly to those individual/s responsible; otherwise I'll have to work through layers of department heads, middle management, team leaders and such, and you know how they can close ranks in a crisis. It may take some time, but rest assured we'll catch and fire him, her or them! Thank you for your patience during our investigation of your complaint. If still dissatisfied, of course I shall personally authorise the full refund of your purchase price. I honestly enjoy satire. That said, it does not change the fact that a serviceable version of Java, suitable for Firefox-3.6, does not exist within the FreeBSD framework. A quick investigation of other operating systems would seem to indicate that FreeBSD is virtually alone in this regards. Now, I am sure that you have personally seen the white sheet detailing the technical reasons for this and will be willing to share it with me and perhaps others who might also be curious about the lack of said product. Now, I assume that you are familiar with the nVidia 64 bit drivers and FreeBSD. It took years for that to be rectified. Based on that past experience, I feel that stating that Firefox-4 might well be released before a serviceable Java is available for version 3.6+ is a real possibility. Your commentary does serve to prove a very real point however. To wit: Pointing out or stating a problem with a Microsoft product is insightful, constructive criticism; however, doing the same for an open source product is destructive, counter productive, flame bait. Seriously Ian, I question whether the FreeBSD authors are more interested in bumping version numbers than they are in producing a fully serviceable, quality product. When was the last time you tried getting a native FreeBSD driver for an 'N' class USB wireless device? Drivers for chips over a year old don't exist. It just seems to me that the priority should be on getting the present product fully functional rather than simply bumping version numbers. Then again, that is just my 2₵. -- Jerry ✌ freebsd.u...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Jerry wrote: [ ... ] I honestly enjoy satire. That said, it does not change the fact that a serviceable version of Java, suitable for Firefox-3.6, does not exist within the FreeBSD framework. That's pretty much accurate, if you don't want to consider running FF+Java under Linux emulation. A quick investigation of other operating systems would seem to indicate that FreeBSD is virtually alone in this regards. The JRE from java.sun.com has binaries for Linux, Solaris, and Windows-- which are the officially supported Java platforms-- and one could add Apple's MacOSX. If you are running FreeBSD, Plan 9, HP/UX, IRIX, AIX, or anything else, Java is not going to be nearly as well-supported. If Java is critical to you, seriously consider using another platform. Now, I assume that you are familiar with the nVidia 64 bit drivers and FreeBSD. It took years for that to be rectified. Based on that past experience, I feel that stating that Firefox-4 might well be released before a serviceable Java is available for version 3.6+ is a real possibility. That's entirely possible. Your commentary does serve to prove a very real point however. To wit: Pointing out or stating a problem with a Microsoft product is insightful, constructive criticism; however, doing the same for an open source product is destructive, counter productive, flame bait. Like many things, different people's motives and perspective tend to shape how they perceive the same set of underlying facts. Seriously Ian, I question whether the FreeBSD authors are more interested in bumping version numbers than they are in producing a fully serviceable, quality product. The two aren't closely related. Major version # bumps in commercial software often happen because the vendor wants to sell upgrade licenses, but that motivation simply doesn't apply to FreeBSD. Major version # bumps happen in FreeBSD primarily because of major API changes which end up making an entirely new version of userland libc other libraries desirable. When was the last time you tried getting a native FreeBSD driver for an 'N' class USB wireless device? Never. The only 'N' device I have around is a Macbook Pro, and that's running the vendor-supplied driver which came with the device. Drivers for chips over a year old don't exist. It just seems to me that the priority should be on getting the present product fully functional rather than simply bumping version numbers. Then again, that is just my 2₵. Hopefully you get your money's worth. Regards, -- -Chuck ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
As this link (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10570) says, JAVA PLUGIN WONT WORK WITH FIREFOX 3.6. I tried to use linux-sun-jdk16 port, but the plugin didn t work too. Is there an workaround or anybody that knows how-to use java plugin within firefox 3.6? Thanks in advance, Marcio C. Goulart _ QUER FICAR SEMPRE EM CONTATO COM SEUS AMIGOS? ACESSE O MESSENGER PELO SEU CELULAR. http://celular.windowslive.com.br/messenger.asp?produto=Messengerutm_source=Live_Hotmailutm_medium=Taglineutm_content=QUERFICARS82utm_campaign=MobileServices___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Java plugin with Firefox 3.6
On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 12:20:08AM +, Márcio C.G. wrote: As this link (http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=10570) says, JAVA PLUGIN WONT WORK WITH FIREFOX 3.6. I tried to use linux-sun-jdk16 port, but the plugin didn t work too. Is there an workaround or anybody that knows how-to use java plugin within firefox 3.6? I just portinstall firefox3, which right now will give you Firefox 3.5.9, and java works ;-) -- Mvh/Brgds Harry FreeBSD 8.1-PRERELEASE #3: Compiled at Mon Jun 7 01:54:25 CEST 2010 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
