RE: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Pansters Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 6:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin) On Wednesday 6 July 2005 03:06, Mike Hauber wrote: On Tuesday 05 July 2005 08:29 pm, you wrote: It's the imposing upon from religious groups (and well, let's say that I don't think they're muslims) that I find not only annoying but, yeah, downright dangerous. Throwing out 2-3 centuries of enlightenment and scientific advance is not a good idea. Greets, Dan Come on, now... Just because someone is a Christian, it doesn't mean he/she's a quack. _Every_ religion has their extremists. I don't think it's very cool to knock whole societies of faith (regardless of what faith it is) based on the whims of the few who are too narrow-minded to see past their glasses... Thanks, Mike I agree. They can think whatever they want. That's fine with me. But like I said, they have no right to impose their belives upon others and certainly not upon a group of people who provide something technical (like an OS) for free. They have no right to do that, they have every right to think what they want to think. So have I. Religion should be merely a private matter. And if so I have the highest respect for someone doing or not doing or undoing or redoing something out of religious belief. And yes, most religious people (muslim, jew, christian, both catholic or reformed) *are* much more moderate than their leadership. So, when are they going to stand up? It's their movement, not mine. It's their sense of justice, not mine. Are they so diverted that they've lost beforehand? Every political movement operates the same way (and if you don't think organized religion isn't political your crazy) it is a function of the movement. The extremists are the ones who are willing to put the money and effort into taking an idea all the way. Even Open Source. From the commercial software developers point of view Open Source was an extremist movement - this wasn't helped by the writings of the like of RMS, by the way. And there's no denying that the existence of Linux and FreeBSD and the host of open source applications has put many one-horse software development houses into bankruptcy. As a result of the extremists, today it's considered a moderate position for a commercial software development house to make it's source code available, under NDA, to it's customers. 20 years ago that would have been an extremist position. So you can see that ultimately the extremists have an affect on the movements they lead. As long as they don't I reckon they agree with their extreme leadership. And they surely insult and condemn me (a secular gay gay who has been in a 10 year happy and monogam relationship with one person so far thank you how many rednecks can say that? -- not implying you are one). So I find a little offensive here certainly not unappropriate. It's probably needed. The American Taliban is not all that far away. In fact they're quite powerful, more than the moderates seem to think. 30 years ago you didn't see people talking about being gay in normal conversation. Today you do. Sure there are the right-wing extremists who hate gays. But the moderate center has moved away from them and toward the extremist gays who were shoving their gayness in your face all the time. The extremist anti-gays know this and are hoping to move the center back to them. But I don't see any evidence this is occuring, and plenty of evidence that it's going in the opposite direction. Take the gay marriage thing. The entire gay marriage campaign wasn't about actually getting gay marriage laws on the books. It was about getting secular domestic arraingement laws on the books so that gays in long term relationships wern't shut out of things like being able to have power of attourney and such if their partner got sick and unable to care for him or her self. They tried for years to get moderate versions of those laws on the books and failed. So they then tried the extreme version - gay marriage - and while that got shot down, the existence of those campaigns had the effect of moving the center to make the domestic arraingement laws now acceptable. That is why they are passing now. 30 years from now they will probably try for bestiality marriage laws to get gay marriage laws passed. It's the way of things. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [050703 23:08]: FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. I use FreeBSD because in my religion, Scientology, penguins were considered the avatars of the Galactic Emperor Xenu when he brought the Galactic Citizens down to Earth and exploded them around volcanoes. This is why Linux is so annoying to administer - the kernel is covered in what Ayn Rand (founder of Scientology) termed penguin thetans, commonly abbreviated TUX. Penguin thetans are commonly found under bridges and have a long-standing grudge against gruff billygoats. I hope this helps in the application of comparative religion to operating system mascots. - d. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 11:43:07PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: 30 years from now they will probably try for bestiality marriage Beastie getting married? Be still my heart! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
David Gerard wrote: Ayn Rand(founder of Scientology) Ayn Rand was really L Ron Hubbard. At last, a conspiracy theory worth believing in :-) The truth *is* out there: http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/ayn-rand-and-hubbard.htm http://www.facade.com/celebrity/L_Ron_Hubbard/ and search for Birth Mates --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
Bob Hall wrote: The belief that guys with red skin, horns, pointy tails, and pitchforks represent the devil is a European superstition, not a Christian doctrine. There's no support for it in the Bible or the writings of the church fathers. There is also no support, except among BSD fans, for horned, pointy-tailed, red-skinned creatures with pitchforks representing anything other than a li'l devil. Saying it represents an invisible, oft-benevolent 'daemon' has very little credibility when the mascot was clearly intended to look like what two-thirds of humanity would recognize as _el diablo_, albeit an awfully harmless, cartoony one. I think I will give one of my favorite input control devices, the 'mouse', a mascot. It'll look a lot like this guy: http://images.google.com/images?q=mickey%20mouse ...but if anyone complains I'll just tell them it's clearly not an animate rodent, but is rather a stylized, anthropomorphic interpretation of a computer accessory. I'm sure the lawyers at Disney will see my point of view. Hey, if it works for Beastie the daemon... On a more serious note, am I the only one who has been getting hiccups of freebsd-questions mail from last year? I just got a bunch of traffic (including one of the previous incarnations of this abysmal Beastie logo non-debate) from late December, all posts that I had seen before. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: serious note(s) [WAS: Linux move to FreeBSD]
hello, On a more serious note, am I the only one who has been getting hiccups of freebsd-questions mail from last year? I just got a bunch of traffic (including one of the previous incarnations of this abysmal Beastie logo non-debate) from late December, all posts that I had seen before. Thanks for your note. No, you're not the only one. As I have occasionally re-read (other) stuff by mistake, I made a point of noting the Dec 2004 dates too. I wondered if Kmail, shawmail, or some other as-yet-unnamed network glitch caused the hiccups. And then, within a day or so, the list digest feed(s) seemed to dry up for a day and half. I'm used to scanning two or three freebsd-questions' digests/day, and noticed I suddenly had all this extra time. :c) The digests resumed again overnight [two dated 'Today' at 3:35 5:00 am, if anyone's interested], but the volume of traffic still seems severely reduced. I hope this info is of some use. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
This is the funniest discussion i have ever read. I saving these messages for future entertainment. I love Tux and Beastie pictures regards. - Original Message - From: Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD Bob Hall wrote: The belief that guys with red skin, horns, pointy tails, and pitchforks represent the devil is a European superstition, not a Christian doctrine. There's no support for it in the Bible or the writings of the church fathers. There is also no support, except among BSD fans, for horned, pointy-tailed, red-skinned creatures with pitchforks representing anything other than a li'l devil. Saying it represents an invisible, oft-benevolent 'daemon' has very little credibility when the mascot was clearly intended to look like what two-thirds of humanity would recognize as _el diablo_, albeit an awfully harmless, cartoony one. I think I will give one of my favorite input control devices, the 'mouse', a mascot. It'll look a lot like this guy: http://images.google.com/images?q=mickey%20mouse ...but if anyone complains I'll just tell them it's clearly not an animate rodent, but is rather a stylized, anthropomorphic interpretation of a computer accessory. I'm sure the lawyers at Disney will see my point of view. Hey, if it works for Beastie the daemon... On a more serious note, am I the only one who has been getting hiccups of freebsd-questions mail from last year? I just got a bunch of traffic (including one of the previous incarnations of this abysmal Beastie logo non-debate) from late December, all posts that I had seen before. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
This is the funniest discussion i have ever read. I saving these messages for future entertainment. I love Tux and Beastie pictures Same here, I also like the look of the default blue colored lilo menu on some linux distros - its looks quite professional. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of TvZ Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:11 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin) I would rather see this thread die out I agree - we are killing electrons and those aren't a renewable resource! Do you know how long it takes to grow an electron!!! Besides, we have to keep the list clear! After all, it's important not to interrupt the spammers with posts like this! This is a serious message board, go to alt.humor for your jokes! Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
On Wednesday 6 July 2005 02:07, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of TvZ Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 1:11 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin) I would rather see this thread die out I agree - we are killing electrons and those aren't a renewable resource! Do you know how long it takes to grow an electron!!! It's that attitude that demotivates electrones. That's whay they move backwards those damn electrons, they'll never move with the flow from plus to minus :) Besides, we have to keep the list clear! After all, it's important not to interrupt the spammers with posts like this! This is a serious message board, go to alt.humor for your jokes! Well, Ted, the few moments we don't agree may have stood out, but generally and especially when it's about how our stuff relates to the wider society I think you always have something thought provoking to say. And well, no surprise, I agree mostly. (I can be a bastard when I don't) It's the imposing upon from religious groups (and well, let's say that I don't think they're muslims) that I find not only annoying but, yeah, downright dangerous. Throwing out 2-3 centuries of enlightenment and scientific advance is not a good idea. Greets, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
On Wednesday 6 July 2005 03:06, Mike Hauber wrote: On Tuesday 05 July 2005 08:29 pm, you wrote: It's the imposing upon from religious groups (and well, let's say that I don't think they're muslims) that I find not only annoying but, yeah, downright dangerous. Throwing out 2-3 centuries of enlightenment and scientific advance is not a good idea. Greets, Dan Come on, now... Just because someone is a Christian, it doesn't mean he/she's a quack. _Every_ religion has their extremists. I don't think it's very cool to knock whole societies of faith (regardless of what faith it is) based on the whims of the few who are too narrow-minded to see past their glasses... Thanks, Mike I agree. They can think whatever they want. That's fine with me. But like I said, they have no right to impose their belives upon others and certainly not upon a group of people who provide something technical (like an OS) for free. They have no right to do that, they have every right to think what they want to think. So have I. Religion should be merely a private matter. And if so I have the highest respect for someone doing or not doing or undoing or redoing something out of religious belief. And yes, most religious people (muslim, jew, christian, both catholic or reformed) *are* much more moderate than their leadership. So, when are they going to stand up? It's their movement, not mine. It's their sense of justice, not mine. Are they so diverted that they've lost beforehand? As long as they don't I reckon they agree with their extreme leadership. And they surely insult and condemn me (a secular gay gay who has been in a 10 year happy and monogam relationship with one person so far thank you how many rednecks can say that? -- not implying you are one). So I find a little offensive here certainly not unappropriate. It's probably needed. The American Taliban is not all that far away. In fact they're quite powerful, more than the moderates seem to think. Greets, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
On Wednesday 6 July 2005 05:12, Mike Hauber wrote: On Tuesday 05 July 2005 09:41 pm, you wrote: I agree. They can think whatever they want. That's fine with me. But like I said, they have no right to impose their belives upon others and certainly not upon a group of people who provide something technical (like an OS) for free. They have no right to do that, they have every right to think what they want to think. So have I. Religion should be merely a private matter. And if so I have the highest respect for someone doing or not doing or undoing or redoing something out of religious belief. Someone asking what Chucky is about is imposing? Someone saying that they won't use FreeBSD because of Chucky is imposing? I'm not following... Sure, I think the person who originated this thread is narrow-minded, but that doesn't mean't that he's imposing. No no no, what I mean is when people ate saying you should do XYZ or change ABC. If they say I don't like this I'll leave well that's a shame but OK. All I'm arguing is that if people don't want to listen anyway about simple outside and perfectly explanable icons that are used and, my God, for merely humorous reasons even so, then if people still can't live with that perhaps they better leave instead of trying to break up the cummunity with their proclamation of everlasting truth. And it's my personal good righty to dislike and distrust organized religion because, if anyuthing, they always were personally hostile towards me. You know, if they want to take the upper hand in the public debate (and they may have the clout right now) at least they should stop wining about being the minority. I, with my evolution theory and with my Descartes, and with my Newton and with my Enlightenment are in jeaopardy. And you are either with science or you are not. And yes, most religious people (muslim, jew, christian, both catholic or reformed) *are* much more moderate than their leadership. So, when are they going to stand up? It's their movement, not mine. It's their sense of justice, not mine. Are they so diverted that they've lost beforehand? Look, I'm not trying to argue. I just don't see where all this is coming from. I've never heard of Mark before, and doubt that he's a religious leader (most leaders don't have the time to mess with real operating systems)... (Of course, Mark... If you are, then feel free to speak up.) I don't know any Mark. Don't ask me. As long as they don't I reckon they agree with their extreme leadership. ?See above? See above as well. And they surely insult and condemn me (a secular gay gay who has been in a 10 year happy and monogam relationship with one person so far thank you how many rednecks can say that? -- not implying you are one). I've re-read the thread just to make sure, but I don't think Mark (or anyone else in this thread) mentioned anything that would remotely seem condemning or insulting towards your personal life. Neither did I say so. Who's this Mark anyway? I'm saying that the fundies take delight in to attacking not only my personal but also my scioentific beliefs and I think it's about thime the reality based crowd started to say NO to that a bit harder. I'm not sure where that came from so: | grep pertinence | So I find a little offensive here certainly not unappropriate. It's probably needed. The American Taliban is not all that far away. In fact they're quite powerful, more than the moderates seem to think. Hello? I think you've misunerstood me. Mayhaps I should reword it (and I mean no offense, but perhaps a jogging of neurons would That's likely to get me going yeah. help) I think it is just as narrow-minded (no moreso by far) for one to judge an entire group based on the actions/ideals of a few than it is for one to say of his own account I'm hesitant to use FreeBSD because the mascot has two horns and sneakers and therefore must be the Devil. Could someone tell me more about that? Please. It almost seems like you're writing in regards to your personal issues rather than using good ol' fashioned sense. You're just dying to pose me as a nutcase. Well, let me help you I'm already known as such. That don't mean you'd win a random discussion about some random superstition in human culture. I'm using personal issues (quite well positioning me open to attacks) as an example. And a very valid one because the agressive chriostian right likes to play as if they're under attack rather than attacking others (smaller groups) instead. Let's replace my personal issues (I have no personal issues BTW, I'm sure you're glad to hear that, but many many younger and also older people suffer greatly for this same thing) with whatever you seem to be defending and redo the discussion. That'll be interesting. Mike Cheers, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing
RE: Linux move to FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dmitry Mityugov Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:03 PM To: Lane Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. No, it wasn't. Not if you read the entire message context. It was a question along the lines of how dare you do this or what idiot used this He may not have used those exact words but the meaning was clear. The poster praises the OS on a technical merit and then goes on to raise this issue. What possible basis of selection for a computer operating system IS there OTHER than technical merits? I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. Then you sir are doing your friend a disservice. Once this system is setup they will be going to you for help, and your deliberately setting them up with a system you don't know as well - thus you will be less able to help them. My church, First Presbyterian Church of Portland, OR uses several FreeBSD servers for their web/mail/fileserving needs. They also use Macs running MacOS X almost exclusively, and MacOS X was based partly on FreeBSD. And they also have a Win2K server in the mix which comes from Microsoft, who cheated their way into the market, and is a far less honorable organization than any organization which has helped to create FreeBSD. I suppose that in your view, my church (http://www.fpcpdx.org) is less religious than you are. I feel that you have completely missed the entire thrust of Jesus's message. Ted PS And I don't suppose you have a problem with Ubuntu even though many networking utilities that are in it and in Linux came from BSD code, and BSD used the daemon image long before Linux was even a thought in someone's mind. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Linux move to FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dmitry Mityugov Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 3:27 PM To: Bob Hall; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD The problem is, my friend lives closer to Europe than to anything else, and I don't want to dispute with him about what's right and wrong in his believings. In addition, both demon and daemon are translated to the same word in our language, Oh dear you will have to find another operating system then, Ubuntu also has daemon processes. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Linux move to FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: Dmitry Mityugov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 2:17 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Lane; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD On 7/4/05, Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dmitry Mityugov ... I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. Then you sir are doing your friend a disservice. Once this system is setup they will be going to you for help, and your deliberately setting them up with a system you don't know as well - thus you will be less able to help them. This may also mean that over time, I'll know Ubuntu better than FreeBSD - we all can study and gather experience, can't we. Yes, but your original post wasn't to tell the poster to give up on FreeBSD and go back to Linux so he can study and gain experience. It was, in fact, a post giving an example in support of the anti-Beastie feeling of the original poster. In other words you were trying to say the original poster actually has a point about Beastie frightening away some people. In short, you were lending credibility to the absolutely rediculous proposition that the FreeBSD community should pay one whit of attention to the anti-Beastie arguments. And now, when I brought up how this is a bad thing for a perfectly legitimate technical reason that you cannot argue against - you are now trying to twist around your original post so that instead of it being about supporting the O.P.s rediculous point, now it's all about cross-training on a different OS. I don't think so. My church, First Presbyterian Church of Portland, OR uses several FreeBSD servers for their web/mail/fileserving needs. They also use Macs running MacOS X almost exclusively, and MacOS X was based partly on FreeBSD. And they also have a Win2K server in the mix which comes from Microsoft, who cheated their way into the market, and is a far less honorable organization than any organization which has helped to create FreeBSD. I suppose that in your view, my church (http://www.fpcpdx.org) is less religious than you are. I feel that you have completely missed the entire thrust of Jesus's message. No, no, not at all. I am an atheist trying to help a group of religious men. Why do you keep saying religious men? If they have a religion that they are identifying that strongly with, you are disrespecting them by not referring to them by the proper name of the religion. Why can't you say Fundamentalist Christians or Moslems or some such? Do they refer to themselves as religious men when people ask them what faith they are? Hmm, haa - maybe I should refer to you as an 'unreligious man' instead of an Atheist? ;-) It is capitalized, by the way. I don't want to discuss with them how exactly their devil should look, does it have red skin, horns, pointy tails etc or not (perhaps for the same reason why I don't discuss with them or anybody else, including readers of this thread, that there is actually no God or ethernal soul at all). No one is asking you to do so here. I just want to help them find an inexpensive configuration for their first computer. you already have one. FreeBSD. They (a) don't know English enough to understand the difference between demon and daemon and (b) do feel that the picture of FreeBSD mascot is related to their religion. This makes it impossible to install FreeBSD on their machine. Well, I think your dancing around the issue. Why don't you simply tell them I know FreeBSD and I don't know Linux, and FreeBSD is what I install - take it or leave it. Certainly you couldn't possibly care what their religious opinion of you is - your an Atheist, remember. Well, you can install what you want, but in addressing the point you were originally supporting with your first post (rather than this clumsy attempt at remaking this thread into a cross-training on Ubuntu is gaining experience, which was never the original point from you or the O.P.) I will leave you with this to think about. I attend the Presbyterian church most Sundays, and contribute a good deal of money and time to it - yet I don't particularly consider myself a Christian, at least not the way that most people in that church would probably define one. There's large chunks of the doctorine I frankly consider to be total bunk. For example, the concept of the virgin birth is rediculous - based on the time and social mores of when it allegedly happened, an unmarried woman would be murdered if found pregnant - quite obviously unmarried woman would do and say anything to explain away a pregnancy. However, I do feel that my own
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sun, Jul 03, 2005 at 04:36:49PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Blah... Ted, you're among the easiest troll bait I've seen, and I've seen the whole spectrum of trollees. -- If the ends don't justify the means, what does? -- Robert Moses ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Monday 04 July 2005 11:51, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dmitry Mityugov Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 2:03 PM To: Lane Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. No, it wasn't. Not if you read the entire message context. It was a question along the lines of how dare you do this or what idiot used this He may not have used those exact words but the meaning was clear. Disclaimer: I love the Beastie image and do not want to see him (it) changed. Sorry if this repeats something someone else has said (I admit I did not read every message in this thread), but it strikes me that folks are trying to have it both ways with Beastie: Yes, he's a daemon, not a demon, but he also has devil horns and a tail. Tennis shoes notwithstanding, he *does* look devilish. And that fork in his hand (yes, we all know what the fork is), sure looks devilish, too. The point is that it's not surprising that those who are offended, or choose to be offended for whatever reason, are not persuaded by the daemon versus demon language. Don Tyson Don, I agree. It is not surprising that people choose to be offended by the image. People choose to be offended by whatever they choose. We make software choices based upon popularity, esthetics, availability, and even religious conviction - that is a personal choice, and I'm pleased to support such personal choice. But those who evangalize for or against a software (or other individual choice) based upon personal religious conviction are worthy of contempt - not education, not understanding, not even forgiveness, just contempt. I disagree with the earlier claim that this was ever a polite question. This has always been an insidious attempt by outsiders and newcomers to influence the direction and even the history of some of the most important players in the open-source community, since the question easily applies to all *nix systems. I grudginly accept that those who ask the question may not even realize what they are doing, but I'd wager that most evangelicals don't realize the impact of what they do, either - that still doesn't make it polite, innocent, or in any way acceptable. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
TvZ wrote: Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. As I stated earlier...I'm rather new to BSD...but one of the reasons I changed fromn Linux - bsd was merly the fact that I thought the penguin was more evil than Beasty. Then again...that is just me. ;) I cannot really believe that the above response, with it's obvious self-inconsistencies, was done seriously. On the off chance that perhaps it was, ask yourself, would you really WANT a person who believes that a Penguin logo in and of itself constitutes a good reason to switch, along with us in FreeBSD? I would be embarrassed to admit that such a person is an associate of mine, wouldn't you?. Tertius van Zyl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
The devil made me do it ! besastie.4th \ 46 4 print-beastie The power of .. choice ! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On 7/4/05, Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The devil made me do it ! besastie.4th \ 46 4 print-beastie The power of .. choice ! Okay, okay. What about the Gnome startup screen? -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD (Beastie vs Penguin)
Old Chucky replied to the following I posted: As I stated earlier...I'm rather new to BSD...but one of the reasons I changed fromn Linux - bsd was merly the fact that I thought the penguin was more evil than Beasty. Then again...that is just me. ;) This was his reply... I cannot really believe that the above response, with it's obvious self-inconsistencies, was done seriously. On the off chance that perhaps it was, ask yourself, would you really WANT a person who believes that a Penguin logo in and of itself constitutes a good reason to switch, along with us in FreeBSD? I would be embarrassed to admit that such a person is an associate of mine, wouldn't you?. Let me think about it...mmm...done. Any Free OS is there for anyone to use. Agreed. Thus you don;t have to be associated with anyone else. Neither do I have to be associated with you...etc...pun intended. For me to post a serious replie about the fact that the penguin is more evil than beastie...I'm sure I got the right (as it is my oppinion). Eventhough I replied in the same manner as I read the question to be. Silly! For any one to waste their time on replying to this fight over a demon, daemon or demonic penguin would be ... Silly...so that is why I posted. I would rather see this thread die out and see one as yourself (Chucky old pal) to reply to a previous question I posted about Multiple Simultaneous Users on One PC. Think before you replie again. plz. Thanks in advance. Tertius van Zyl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On 2005-07-04 20:03, Graham Bentley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The devil made me do it ! besastie.4th \ 46 4 print-beastie The power of .. choice ! Easier than that: # echo 'beastie_disable=YES' /boot/loader.conf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux move to FreeBSD
Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 03 July 2005 00:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi snip I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark Hi there Mark, Individuals who come onto this list and ask questions which have repeatedly been answered, risk being called trolls. The briefest of searches would have explained the answer to your question.: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/misc.html#DAEMON-NAME Please don't initiate a discussion about this as this thread demonstrates, the issue has been discussed to death: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2005-February/076061.html Many thanks .nbco ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-02 19:35 -0400] FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! This has been covered many times before, and you could search the archives for more in-depth answers than I'll give here. The devil is supposed to be a daemon (not to be confused with the more modern term demon), a pun on on the fact that most server-programs in the unix world are called daemons. This is based on an old greek word which meant something close to servant. Somewhere in history this came to mean evil servant or devil in some religions. The FreeBSD use of the mascot is non-religious, however, and people generally doesn't think much about it. It is no more evil than the command chmod 666 file is. However, there has been some concern about it, and from time to time someone are asking this question. Sometimes people state that they will not use FreeBSD unless the mascot is dropped. Espescially the use of the mascot in the boot-up screen has caused some controvercy. There is an ongoing contest for a new FreeBSD logo, but alot of people in the FreeBSD community seem to like the little mascot, and are sceptical about a new logo. The contest submissions are not publically available, so I have no idea whether this attempt to replace the daemon will be successful. And even if FreeBSD would get a new logo, I'm sure alot of people would still use him as a mascot. The creature's name is Beastie (BSD) The image is copyrighted Marshall Kirk McKusick. Regards, SVein Halvor ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Saturday 02 July 2005 07:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. Oh, boy Here we go again... No, not the Devil... A daemon. No, not a demon. A Daemon, an invisible being not necessarily good and not necessarily evil, but has the potential of both... In that sense, it is no more evil or good as you or I... Only the potential is there. And naturally, because FreeBSD is such a powerful system, if you use it for evil (which we are all capable of), it would be on us, not the daemon... Heck, not even the Devil because the Devil didn't make you do it... _You_ did it! :) This is getting old. Maybe FreeBSD should turn membership-only (j/k but thinking of the gasps and grumbles of discontent). Or maybe there should be a required visit at freebsd.com to the following link which explains it all: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html So unlearned people will quit asking the same questions over and over on the quetsions list: Hope that clears your conscience... :D WizLayer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 03 July 2005 10:11 am, wizlayer wrote: And naturally, because FreeBSD is such a powerful system, if you use it for evil (which we are all capable of), it would be on us, not the daemon... Heck, not even the Devil because the Devil didn't make you do it... _You_ did it! :) Grammatical error... It should have read, it would be on you, not the daemon... Yep... I found my grammar daemon leaning to the darkside so I had to shut 'er down and edit some stuff out... :D Just didn't catch that one... WizLayer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 03 July 2005 09:11, wizlayer wrote: On Saturday 02 July 2005 07:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. Oh, boy Here we go again... No, not the Devil... A daemon. No, not a demon. A Daemon, an invisible being not necessarily good and not necessarily evil, but has the potential of both... In that sense, it is no more evil or good as you or I... Only the potential is there. And naturally, because FreeBSD is such a powerful system, if you use it for evil (which we are all capable of), it would be on us, not the daemon... Heck, not even the Devil because the Devil didn't make you do it... _You_ did it! :) This is getting old. Maybe FreeBSD should turn membership-only (j/k but thinking of the gasps and grumbles of discontent). Or maybe there should be a required visit at freebsd.com to the following link which explains it all: http://www.freebsd.org/copyright/daemon.html So unlearned people will quit asking the same questions over and over on the quetsions list: Hope that clears your conscience... :D WizLayer ___ It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! I like the members-only solution, but of course that is not practical. Maybe FreeBSD could offer a branch for each of the worlds nine million religions and 8.5 million christian sub sects! This way we create an operating system that exists in the context of your personal religious belief system, and helps you along your own path to enlightenment (or heaven, or whatever your particular religion is all about). There are some hurdles to be overcome, but surely the effort would be worth it. For instance, since some religions have strict rules against work on their Sabbath, the OS would have to shut itself down for 24 hours once every week -- usually Sunday, but I think some religions call Saturday the Sabbath. Since most religions have some sort of rule against murder, the developers would have to come up with new names for commands like kill. But, of course, the term kill implies what is actually going on, so it may be best to completely do away with the concept and just let processes live as long as the creator allows. The ports tree would have to be trimmed of offensive programs such as sex, and utilities such as god must be changed, to keep from offending any sensibilities. In fact, such an OS would probably serve the devout best if it also had an active firewall which would protect it from the proselytizing of ChristBSD and the jihaad of AllahBSD. I'm not sure what it is about JewBSD that we would need to protect against, but the firewall should be configurable to allow or disallow contact with that bunch, as well. Ugh! Look at the time! I'm late for church, already! And I haven't even addressed GodLessBSD! Oh well. Maybe someone else can pick that up meanwhile I've got to see about getting my tongue out of my cheek before the pastor sees me. lane ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. As I stated earlier...I'm rather new to BSD...but one of the reasons I changed fromn Linux - bsd was merly the fact that I thought the penguin was more evil than Beasty. Then again...that is just me. ;) Tertius van Zyl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. As I stated earlier...I'm rather new to BSD...but one of the reasons I changed fromn Linux - bsd was merly the fact that I thought the penguin was more evil than Beasty. Then again...that is just me. ;) Tertius van Zyl ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 03 July 2005 11:38 am, Lane wrote: It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! I like the members-only solution, but of course that is not practical. Maybe FreeBSD could offer a branch for each of the worlds nine million religions and 8.5 million christian sub sects! This way we create an operating system that exists in the context of your personal religious belief system, and helps you along your own path to enlightenment (or heaven, or whatever your particular religion is all about). There are some hurdles to be overcome, but surely the effort would be worth it. lol... Why not, Linux does it... Just have a looksee: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ (I know this is an old one, but I still get a kick out of it). WizLayer ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
Issues like this just go to prove: Civilization and Religion are incompatible. On Jul 2, 2005, at 4:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I am a user of SUSE Linux, and I was thinking of trying out BSD. After reading as much information as I could about the three variants of BSD vs. Linux. On technical merit, I was very impressed. FreeBSD looks like a good stating place for me, but one think about FreeBSD makes me uncomfortable is the symbol/emblem that the OS uses. That is a devil ! I would like to know if possible how this came about, and what thinking was behind it. From experience, I consider symbols to be very significant, Historically, psychologically and even spiritually. Best regards Mark PS. Please can u e-mail me on this e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] when an answer becomes available. ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
I'm religious as well and thought about connecting religion to everything connected to OS's Ok...let's see...Coming from South Africa, I could easily find a meaning Ubuntu : I am what I am because of who we all are.(Coming from South Africa, I could easily find a meaning) thus...no greater being...just all the others input. Mandrake: MAn Dragon...according to Revolations...not good. FreeBSD : Well...the daemon ;) so...linux and bsd could be said to be evil or non-religious. Then we must turn to Windows... mmm... In Africa there is a place called God's Window. We can thus not place ourselves in such a greater being's status to look out his window. At last I found one...MS-DOS. Old and no religios connectations...Apart from above mentioned Windows problem...must have been new management;) That is way I here your problem but could not clearly see the problem with any Os's. How about you install BSD and just clear the conf file which shows Beastie at startup. Tertius van Zyl - Original Message - From: Dmitry Mityugov [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Linux move to FreeBSD On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
That is way I here your problem but could not clearly see the problem with any Os's. How about you install BSD and just clear the conf file which shows Beastie at startup. Asking people to do something to easily remedy a situation of their own accord? Are you crazy? Steve B. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 01:02:33AM +0400, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. There are plenty of devout Christians using FreeBSD without any problem. The belief that guys with red skin, horns, pointy tails, and pitchforks represent the devil is a European superstition, not a Christian doctrine. There's no support for it in the Bible or the writings of the church fathers. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On 7/4/05, Bob Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 04, 2005 at 01:02:33AM +0400, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. There are plenty of devout Christians using FreeBSD without any problem. The belief that guys with red skin, horns, pointy tails, and pitchforks represent the devil is a European superstition, not a Christian doctrine. There's no support for it in the Bible or the writings of the church fathers. The problem is, my friend lives closer to Europe than to anything else, and I don't want to dispute with him about what's right and wrong in his believings. In addition, both demon and daemon are translated to the same word in our language, that would make the task of explaining the difference to him even less attractive to me. BTW, it's not only a European superstition, as this story indicates: http://rmitz.org/freebsd.daemon.html (that was the first link from many). -- Dmitry We live less by imagination than despite it - Rockwell Kent, N by E ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 3 July 2005 23:02, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. Yeah but he's right nonetheless. I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. I know I shouldn't get into this thread, but really this kind of thing absolutely disgustes me. What if they want an all-white OS would you also consider that? Or a non-queer one perhaps. Oh, they already want that I reckon. But that's not the same??? Well, it bloody is to me. It's JUST as dumb. Educate them instead of bending over. I'm sick of the flat earth anti-Darwin basket cases telling us what to do. It's not their realm. They should learn that not everything is their realm. Our world is about tech and that's not NOT about politics and certainly not about superstition, uhm, I mean religion. And I'd like to make a plea to the project to not give in to that in any way. But I fear they already did. And one can argue back and forth but the logo contest *was* partly or perhaps wholly fuelled by that. Don't give me crap. Same with Net (they managed to get a nice logo as their new one, I like it visulually, but any and all symbolism is gone. It looks like a flag). For optimum popularity perhaps ours should have lots of red white and blue but no horns or sneakers. Except if they have a swoosh. Ahh, feels good to get that off my chest. Now you can flame along :) Greetings, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux move to FreeBSD
On Sunday 3 July 2005 23:02, Dmitry Mityugov wrote: On 7/3/05, Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... It truly boggles the mind at how frequently people protest the on-going decision to use beastie on the public face of FreeBSD. It's almost like a guest who comes into your home and then starts redecorating! ... I believe there was nothing in the original question that would resemble redecorating. It was a polite question about why FreeBSD had this feature. Yeah but he's right nonetheless. I am, personally, currently helping my friend to buy and configure a computer for him and his family. Although I know FreeBSD better than Linux (and this does not mean I am a FreeBSD guru), I'll be installing something like Ubuntu on that machine, not FreeBSD, because my friend and his family are religious men. I know I shouldn't get into this thread, but really this kind of thing absolutely disgustes me. What if they want an all-white OS would you also consider that? Or a non-queer one perhaps. Oh, they already want that I reckon. But that's not the same??? Well, it bloody is to me. It's JUST as dumb. Educate them instead of bending over. I'm sick of the flat earth anti-Darwin basket cases telling us what to do. It's not their realm. They should learn that not everything is their realm. Our world is about tech and that's not NOT about politics and certainly not about superstition, uhm, I mean religion. And I'd like to make a plea to the project to not give in to that in any way. But I fear they already did. And one can argue back and forth but the logo contest *was* partly or perhaps wholly fuelled by that. Don't give me crap. Same with Net (they managed to get a nice logo as their new one, I like it visulually, but any and all symbolism is gone. It looks like a flag). For optimum popularity perhaps ours should have lots of red white and blue but no horns or sneakers. Except if they have a swoosh. Ahh, feels good to get that off my chest. Now you can flame along :) Greetings, Dan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
