RE: Need to build a new mail server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Giorgos Keramidas Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:06 PM To: DAve Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need to build a new mail server This freebsd-questions thread is approaching a low signal/noise ratio very very fast. MTAs are a hotly debated subject, and they tend to spark the flames of a religious war *very* fast. Can we _please_ try to steer this discussion back on track, and actually _help_ the original poster, No, Giorgos, we can't. The OP asked a question that cannot be answered by a few simple posts to a mailing list. Whole books have been writen that cover nothing other than how to build a mailserver. Because the question is unanswerable, (at least in this forum and format) what your going to get instead is the big dick war. I'd advise you to just ignore it as I have done - indeed, this is my first and only contribution to the thread - the only reason I even bothered looking at it at all, was because I was surprised to see the thread still alive, and as your name was on a posting I figured that something really interesting must have been under discussion. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Foo JH wrote: I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. and requires 400 patches to do basic things =( heres some interesting reading about qmail... http://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. I also recommend dovecot. I'm using it for several years without a problem, and it was quite simple to setup. I'm using it with sendmail, though (not postfix), because I've been using sendmail for almost 20 years and haven't had a reason to switch. If you're already familiar with sendmail on Solaris, then I recommend you continue using sendmail on FreeBSD (it's the default MTA that comes with the base system). Having said that, Postfix _is_ a very good MTA, I'm using it at work. If you're willing to switch and invest a little bit of time learning something new, then Postfix is certainly a good choice. It's quite easy to install Postfix from the ports collection. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd C++: an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog -- Steve Taylor, 1998 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Postfix rules, Dovecot or cyrus, though dovecot seems more managable my take running an ISP based mail system Postfix Definately Qmail, its ok, in most cases scenerios Exim - No way and Dovecot or Cyrus for imaps/imap On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. I also recommend dovecot. I'm using it for several years without a problem, and it was quite simple to setup. I'm using it with sendmail, though (not postfix), because I've been using sendmail for almost 20 years and haven't had a reason to switch. If you're already familiar with sendmail on Solaris, then I recommend you continue using sendmail on FreeBSD (it's the default MTA that comes with the base system). Having said that, Postfix _is_ a very good MTA, I'm using it at work. If you're willing to switch and invest a little bit of time learning something new, then Postfix is certainly a good choice. It's quite easy to install Postfix from the ports collection. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd C++: an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog -- Steve Taylor, 1998 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Eric Zimmerman wrote: Foo JH wrote: I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. and requires 400 patches to do basic things =( List them, not 100, not 399, all 400 please. Keep in mind that when your download x.x.x release of a software package you are downloading a patched source code. Sendmail has been patched many times, Postfix is patched, Exim is patched. qmail just requires you apply your own patches. Patching is not a bad thing, shrinkwrap mail admins applying patches that they do not understand is a bad thing. heres some interesting reading about qmail... http://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html That so much time and effort is spent telling everyone how bad qmail is still amazes me. It is one of the best performing and most extensible MTAs I have ever used. It is not however, suitable for those who choose not to understand how mail works. Point and clickers should stay with Postfix, also a very capable MTA. DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:50:56 -0400 N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-29 13:35:27-0400]: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. A third vote for Postfix + Dovecot here. Using Postfix and Cyrus-IMAP here, both on small Soekris-based SOHO-Routers with a few users (5 to 20 per office), as well as on a few big corporate networks with approx. 6000+ users each, and many virtual domains. Postfix has proved both dead-easy to configure and able to withstand many waves of serious DDoS attacks by rate-limiting itself. Its anti-spam features, if used right, are also quite effective. I've used sendmail extensively in the past, and that was not bad either, though a little tough to configure for edge cases. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
As a sysadmin at a medium mailhosting ISP (~15,000 email customers, averaging about 5 email addresses per customer,) we use a load balanced cluster of Dovecot and exim servers with mysql backend. Theres no way we could use qmail, it just doesnt have the flexibility even with 1/2 a dozen patches. That said I do like postfix I've used it before for smtp relay servers and its performed like a champ. Vince Outback Dingo wrote: Postfix rules, Dovecot or cyrus, though dovecot seems more managable my take running an ISP based mail system Postfix Definately Qmail, its ok, in most cases scenerios Exim - No way and Dovecot or Cyrus for imaps/imap On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Oliver Fromme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. I also recommend dovecot. I'm using it for several years without a problem, and it was quite simple to setup. I'm using it with sendmail, though (not postfix), because I've been using sendmail for almost 20 years and haven't had a reason to switch. If you're already familiar with sendmail on Solaris, then I recommend you continue using sendmail on FreeBSD (it's the default MTA that comes with the base system). Having said that, Postfix _is_ a very good MTA, I'm using it at work. If you're willing to switch and invest a little bit of time learning something new, then Postfix is certainly a good choice. It's quite easy to install Postfix from the ports collection. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd C++: an octopus made by nailing extra legs onto a dog -- Steve Taylor, 1998 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On May 30, 2008, at 10:39 AM, DAve wrote: That so much time and effort is spent telling everyone how bad qmail is still amazes me. Is it still the case that qmail does not reject mail during SMTP transaction, but instead will do an accept and then later bounce? If this is still true, then I don't care if qmail turns out to be a great way to manage your mail server. It is a terrible network citizen. Anyway, here are my personal prejudices about MTAs: Sendmail: There was a time when I would set things up for clients with sendmail because if I got hit by a bus, there were more people around with sendmail skills then exim skills. Also there was a time when only sendmail did milters. (And of course there was a time when there was only sendmail). But my feeling about sendmail has always been that it was designed backwards in that things that should have been hard coded (parsing 822 addresses) were done in the configuration file and things that should have been configurable (throttling intervals) were hard coded. For someone with a simple set-up using FreeBSD, sendmail may be the best choice still because it is already there. Likewise for someone who wants to have their MTA to factor numbers or solve the towers of hanoi, sendmail is for them. exim: If I were setting up a large complicated installation for say an ISP or a mail hosting system, exim is what I would use. I've heard people say that they didn't understand the configuration file, but I don't see what the problem is. It is straight forward and direct. You just need to remember that in some sections of the configuration file, the order of directives matter. exim also has this built-in procmail replacement (exim filters) in its mail delivery. Of course, sieve has largely replaced the need for this. postfix: This would be my first recommendation to someone starting from the beginning for most sites. If there is no legacy need for sendmail, and we are not talking about very large and complex arrangements requiring exim, then postfix solid, reasonably flexible, easy to set up and probably now has a user base to rival sendmail. I have never managed a qmail, Lotus Notes or MS Exchange system. But my MTAs have had to interact with them. I feel that they should never be allowed to face the Internet. They are just too loose in their interpretations of standards and conventions. -j ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Friday 30 May 2008 18:09:48 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote: exim: If I were setting up a large complicated installation for say an ISP or a mail hosting system, exim is what I would use. I've heard people say that they didn't understand the configuration file, but I don't see what the problem is. It is straight forward and direct. You just need to remember that in some sections of the configuration file, the order of directives matter. exim also has this built-in procmail replacement (exim filters) in its mail delivery. Of course, sieve has largely replaced the need for this. I have not used Exim with *BSD's but I used it with Debian at one time and it was easy to set up. More recently, the configuration became complicated, at least with Debian. So I stuck with Postfix. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On 5/30/08, DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Zimmerman wrote: Foo JH wrote: I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. and requires 400 patches to do basic things =( List them, not 100, not 399, all 400 please. Keep in mind that when your download x.x.x release of a software package you are downloading a patched source code. Sendmail has been patched many times, Postfix is patched, Exim is patched. qmail just requires you apply your own patches. Patching is not a bad thing, shrinkwrap mail admins applying patches that they do not understand is a bad thing. heres some interesting reading about qmail... http://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html That so much time and effort is spent telling everyone how bad qmail is still amazes me. It is one of the best performing and most extensible MTAs I have ever used. It is not however, suitable for those who choose not to understand how mail works. Point and clickers should stay with Postfix, also a very capable MTA. I agree. No one should use Qmail unless they have read and completely understand every email-related RFC and have at least two years of experience running a commercial mail server. Amateurs shouldn't even consider it. Please, use anything but Qmail. It sprays backscatter spam all over the internet. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Bob Johnson wrote: On 5/30/08, DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Zimmerman wrote: Foo JH wrote: I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. and requires 400 patches to do basic things =( List them, not 100, not 399, all 400 please. Keep in mind that when your download x.x.x release of a software package you are downloading a patched source code. Sendmail has been patched many times, Postfix is patched, Exim is patched. qmail just requires you apply your own patches. Patching is not a bad thing, shrinkwrap mail admins applying patches that they do not understand is a bad thing. heres some interesting reading about qmail... http://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html That so much time and effort is spent telling everyone how bad qmail is still amazes me. It is one of the best performing and most extensible MTAs I have ever used. It is not however, suitable for those who choose not to understand how mail works. Point and clickers should stay with Postfix, also a very capable MTA. I agree. No one should use Qmail unless they have read and completely understand every email-related RFC and have at least two years of experience running a commercial mail server. Amateurs shouldn't even consider it. Please, use anything but Qmail. It sprays backscatter spam all over the internet. - Bob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd personally vouch for Qmail myself. Having been an administrator now for mail servers in general for nearly 15 years, with experience with most notable mailers, Qmail by far lends itself to be the most highly configurable mailer assuming you know what you want ahead of time. Most experienced sysadmins, once they know what they want, can apply those patches to qmail with ease and roll out additional Qmail installations with a single package. Very easy indeed. However, in an attempt to remain as unbiased as possible (too late I realize) and just to reiterate, Qmail even though I believe it is a wonderful piece of software, you definately need to know what you are doing. Postfix, exim, etc., take a lot of guess work away from the administrator by making assumptions that qmail doesn't make. Some claim that this makes these packages better. For this reason, especially if you aren't familiar with any mailer, I would suggest something other than Qmail. Bob, as for 'backscaatter spam' (assuming I understood you), that's rubbish: http://www.interazioni.it/opensource/chkusr/ (as an example) Cheers! ~Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
I'd personally vouch for Qmail myself. So would I, for my environment. Having been an administrator now for mail servers in general for nearly 15 years, with experience with most notable mailers, Qmail by far lends itself to be the most highly configurable mailer assuming you know what you want ahead of time. Agreed. Most experienced sysadmins, once they know what they want, can apply those patches to qmail with ease and roll out additional Qmail installations with a single package. Very easy indeed. Yep. Bob, as for 'backscaatter spam' (assuming I understood you), that's rubbish: http://www.interazioni.it/opensource/chkusr/ (as an example) ...which works very well. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Need to build a new mail server
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Procacci Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:21 PM To: Bob Johnson Cc: DAve; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need to build a new mail server Bob Johnson wrote: On 5/30/08, DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Zimmerman wrote: Foo JH wrote: I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. and requires 400 patches to do basic things =( ~Paul http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison Which MTA you will chose is only your choice. I will vote for Postfix. Best Regards, Catalin Miclaus Network/Security ISP-Data Starcomms Ltd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Catalin Miclaus wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Procacci Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 9:21 PM To: Bob Johnson Cc: DAve; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need to build a new mail server Bob Johnson wrote: On 5/30/08, DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Zimmerman wrote: Foo JH wrote: I like Qmail. It's not overly difficult to configure, and it's extensible. and requires 400 patches to do basic things =( ~Paul http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison Which MTA you will chose is only your choice. I will vote for Postfix. Best Regards, Catalin Miclaus Network/Security ISP-Data Starcomms Ltd. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I must say, that's a pretty good article. Cheers for sharing it even if it is a tad outdated, it mostly sums everything up quite nicely. ~Paul ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 04:09:25PM -0400, Bob Johnson wrote: I agree. No one should use Qmail unless they have read and completely understand every email-related RFC and have at least two years of experience running a commercial mail server. Amateurs shouldn't even consider it. I used Qmail for the best part of 10 years as an amateur. It was moderately hard for me to first set up, it required me to read a lot of docs and manpages but no RFCs. I compiled and installed from source. It was still easier than Sendmail back then. It was install and forget. I started with qmail-1.03 and finished with qmail-1.03. I didn't like the FreeBSD port, so when I got my new domain I switched to Postfix. Please, use anything but Qmail. It sprays backscatter spam all over the internet. Nonsense. As a receiver of backscatter on one of my domains running into thousands, I can tell you most of it comes from misconfigured anti-spam systems. More rarely from MTAs of all varieties. As to the original posters question, he should stick to Sendmail on the assumption he already knows it, as it's part of the base system. If he's looking for something else, then Postfix is pretty simple to set up (good docs at it's homesite) and has a good security record. Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:39:03 -0400, DAve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Zimmerman wrote: heres some interesting reading about qmail... http://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/~ma/qmail-bugs.html That so much time and effort is spent telling everyone how bad qmail is still amazes me. It is one of the best performing and most extensible MTAs I have ever used. It is not however, suitable for those who choose not to understand how mail works. Point and clickers should stay with Postfix, also a very capable MTA. This freebsd-questions thread is approaching a low signal/noise ratio very very fast. MTAs are a hotly debated subject, and they tend to spark the flames of a religious war *very* fast. Can we _please_ try to steer this discussion back on track, and actually _help_ the original poster, instead of showing that in a dick size war we can definitely 'win' by our elite administrator skillz? Please? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Need to build a new mail server
Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, -- Patrick Baldwin Systems Administrator Studsvik Scandpower, Inc. 1087 Beacon St. Newton, MA 02459 1-617-965-7455 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, 29 May 2008 13:35:27 -0400 Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. i like postfix with dovecot. (we do imap for about half-a-dozen users.) both are simple, understandable and easy to configure for virtual hosts. (i found sendmail to be awkward and exim incomprehensible though i possibly should have tried harder :D ) -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, I like postfix + dovecot. Easy to set up and both have a ton of features. any relatively modern hardware will do with that kind of volume. your aliases shouldnt be a problem either. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. I like Exim + Dovecot with their flexibilities in configurations, security and proven performance. Exim is so flexible and the configuration language quite extensible you'll love it:-) In terms of hardware, any decent workstation-grade hardware will do: For example, I've managed to support over 200 users on an HP DC7800 with 4GB of RAM. This same box runs Clamav and SpamAssassin both for filtering mmalware and spam. It's a DB server, Web server, firewall/router. Users do POP3 mostly but I surely believe with some good disks, IMAP should not be such a problem with Dovecot. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
* Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-29 13:35:27-0400]: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. A third vote for Postfix + Dovecot here. Thomas -- N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:50 PM, N.J. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-05-29 13:35:27-0400]: I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. A third vote for Postfix + Dovecot here. Votes may not count much, but the learning curve:-) Now, if only if he can go start playing with Postfix, Exim and Dovecot - and make a choice! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. Given that, a FreeBSD system could be almost a drop-in replacement. Sendmail should be the same or very nearly so (depends on the version you are using now and the nre version). Aliases should work just the same. Your only differences might be in where some things live.But, check out the hier(7) man page in FreeBSD. It documents the FreeBSD directory conventions. There are other MTAs and other utilities available to experiment with. But, if you are comfortable with sendmail, there is no reason to change. It is mature and very functional; does what you need.A modern machine with FreeBSD 7.x should handle large numbers of Email users - even heavy users. jerry However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, -- Patrick Baldwin Systems Administrator Studsvik Scandpower, Inc. 1087 Beacon St. Newton, MA 02459 1-617-965-7455 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:52 PM, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. Given that, a FreeBSD system could be almost a drop-in replacement. Sendmail should be the same or very nearly so (depends on the version you are using now and the nre version). Aliases should work just the same. Your only differences might be in where some things live.But, check out the hier(7) man page in FreeBSD. It documents the FreeBSD directory conventions. There are other MTAs and other utilities available to experiment with. But, if you are comfortable with sendmail, there is no reason to change. It is mature and very functional; does what you need.A modern machine with FreeBSD 7.x should handle large numbers of Email users - even heavy users. jerry The only perfect answer! We should all clap for you for giving this answer. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On Thu, 29 May 2008 15:52:21 -0400, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:35:27PM -0400, Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Given that, a FreeBSD system could be almost a drop-in replacement. Sendmail should be the same or very nearly so (depends on the version you are using now and the nre version). Nice finger-slip in 'new/nre' :) I fully agree that FreeBSD+Sendmail should be an almost drop-in replacement for Solaris+Sendmail. Aliases should work just the same. Your only differences might be in where some things live. But, check out the hier(7) man page in FreeBSD. It documents the FreeBSD directory conventions. Patrick, Jerry is right. If you are comfortable with Sendmail on Solaris, you should be pretty ok with the base system version of the same on FreeBSD too. Moving the aliases is probably just a matter of copying over the aliases from Solaris to `/etc/mail/aliases' and running `newaliases'. That's all. There are other MTAs and other utilities available to experiment with. But, if you are comfortable with sendmail, there is no reason to change. It is mature and very functional; does what you need. A modern machine with FreeBSD 7.x should handle large numbers of Email users - even heavy users. An old Intel Pentium at 400 MHz handles the email traffic of all local users (several dozen) and many mailing lists, in one of the domains I am affiliated with. It also runs MailScanner and spamassassin. Relatively modern systems can go a very long way :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. Thanks, I also suggest Postfix + dovecot. Great combination :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. FreeBSD == good choice. :) However, it's been some time since I looked into options for mail servers. I'm interested in both suggestions for hardware and mail servers that would make for the best FreeBSD based mail server. I've only got about two dozen users, though they are all very heavy users of email. I'm using IMAP, and I'd like to continue to do so. That's a small user base, so you don't need to invest much in hardware. For the server, I highly recommend Postfix. Finally, we have quite a few aliases I'd want to port over to a new server. That should be fairly straightforward; for hints, see the mailing list archive for your MTA, or ask them the question. -- Sahil Tandon [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need to build a new mail server
On May 29, 2008, at 16:55, Sahil Tandon wrote: Patrick Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got an older Solaris system running Sendmail for my mail server right now. It's about time to replace it, and I'm thinking FreeBSD might be the best choice of OS for the replacement. I am currently using a 2U server from abmx.com for my mail server. It has a quad processor in it and it runs sendmail, dspam, tmda, clamav, and some local stuff in addition to a number of other functions not related to mail. It was cheaper than the equivalent DELL servers and it appears to be all top of the line components. It serves several thousand users, many of which receive a lot of mail (I suspect much of it is spam). load averages: 0.17, 0.43, 0.35. Those are typical. You may not need that much horsepower, by my servers are quite a way from me and there is no one there most of the time. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
