On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Polytropon wrote:
> It's also debatable if one of today's most prominent use
> of patents is fair: "I tell you! I have patents! You are
> infringing! I'm not gonna tell you which patents about
> what, but I'll sue all your users!" Of course, if such
> a claim enters
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 21:48:30 +0200
Polytropon articulated:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +, David Brodbeck wrote:
> > Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of
> > that limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology
> > advances, but that doesn't mean the con
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 09:33:20AM -0400, Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
> Robert Huff articulated:
> >
> > Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end
> > is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement
> > is to give them exclusive righ
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 19:08:19 +, David Brodbeck wrote:
> Now, it's reasonable to argue that in some fields the duration of that
> limited monopoly is too long, given how quickly technology advances,
> but that doesn't mean the concept isn't sound.
It's also debatable if one of today's most promi
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
> Jerry wrote:
>
>> Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can
>> always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one
>> interested in monetary compensation
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 18:37:17 +0100
Steve O'Hara-Smith articulated:
> On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
> Jerry wrote:
>
> > Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You
> > can always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well
> > no one interested in monetary c
On Sat, Aug 04, 2012 at 07:57:34AM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
> >Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it
> >-- just because they're wrong in the final analysis?
> seems you never worked long with lawyers, or you are lucky and have
> really fair one. If the word
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
Jerry wrote:
> Yes you can. You are stating a commonly held incorrect belief. You can
> always request a license from the patient holder. No one, well no one
> interested in monetary compensation would patient anything unless they
> were:
>
> ⁽¹⁾ Intended to use
On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 12:25:31PM -0400, Robert Huff wrote:
> Jerry writes:
> >
> > I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I
> > like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers,
> > software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary
> > reward f
On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:16:38 -0400
Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300
> Mario Lobo articulated:
>
> > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400
> > Jerry wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
> > > Robert Huff articulated:
> > >
> > [Snip]
> >
> > > The socialists still fee
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 21:43:21 -0300
Mario Lobo articulated:
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400
> Jerry wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
> > Robert Huff articulated:
> >
> [Snip]
>
> > The socialists still feel they are entitled to something
> > for nothing.
> >
> Jerry;
>
> Forg
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 09:33:20 -0400
Jerry wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
> Robert Huff articulated:
>
[Snip]
> The socialists still feel they are entitled to something
> for nothing.
>
Jerry;
Forgive me for barging in like this but to me, what your sentence
describes is just plain
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Jerry wrote:
> I never stated than anyone should be denied the right to create or write
> basically whatever they so desire; however, if they are going to
> piggyback their work on another author or developer's works, then that
> individual deserves to receive compe
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 12:25:31 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
> Jerry writes:
>
> > I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I
> > like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers,
> > software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary
> > reward for
Jerry writes:
> I agree up to the point about financial incentive. For myself, I
> like making money. I don't apologize for that. Most engineers,
> software / hardware designers also enjoy receiving a monetary
> reward for their hard work. Simple giving away our hard work,
> sweat and time
On Sun, 5 Aug 2012 08:48:56 -0400
Robert Huff articulated:
>
>
> Wojciech Puchar writes:
>
> > Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software.
>
> Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end
> is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement
Wojciech Puchar writes:
> Bad that there are patents at all. Not just in software.
Patents are - or should be - the means, not the end. The end
is encourage people to create new stuff; the means of encouragement
is to give them exclusive rights for a limited time. As long as the
idea
be well within patent law to apply for a patent.
The patent office has never been very good at examining software
patents, and I have made a lot of money helping companies document the
prior art not cited in patents that are being asserted against them.
good there are people that helps.
Bad th
>> Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source
>> technologies after the fact?
>
>The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a
>genuine improvement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would
>be well within patent law to apply for
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 14:34:35 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Daniel Rudy
> Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
>
> .. A big difference between copyright
> and patents is that copyright is constitutional (Article 1, Section 8,
> Clause 8), patents are
Do lawyers not use the law to their clients' advatage -- often abusing it
-- just because they're wrong in the final analysis?
seems you never worked long with lawyers, or you are lucky and have really
fair one. If the word "fair" can be used for lawyers at all.
Most often they just want court
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 08:14:33AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
> > > >
> > Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different
> > environments. T
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 06:15:21PM +0200, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> > This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world
> > of software development.
>
> Yes, agreed, & not just software.
Well, yeah, but I was trying to stay close to being on-topic.
>
> The european pate
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 10:27:50AM -0400, kpn...@pobox.com wrote:
>
> There are a number of essays on the error of the term "intellectual property"
> that are very good despite coming from Richard Stallman.
Your phrasing is hilariously accurate.
>
> If you go back and reread this thread you'll
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 02:32:11PM -0400, Sean Cavanaugh wrote:
> >
> > Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source
> > technologies after the fact?
>
> The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a
> genuine improvement/change to it to not q
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 01:20:08AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> > It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
> > having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will
> > probably do a lot of damage
--- On Fri, 8/3/12, kpn...@pobox.com wrote:
From: kpn...@pobox.com
Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
To: "Wojciech Puchar"
Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org"
Date: Friday, August 3, 2012, 9:42 AM
On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 04:09:06PM +0200, W
Also, if you pay attention to the news then you see in the DMCA, ACTA, the
TPP, and other examples that the US is trying to get the rest of the world
to adopt its views.
of course they try to force everything to the world. And failed in europe,
mostly because of Poles.
Which of course doesn't
>
>
> Out of curiosity has anyone ever heard of trolls patenting open source
> technologies after the fact?
The prior art stipulations pretty much kills that off, unless they make a
genuine improvement/change to it to not qualify under that, then they would
be well within patent law to apply for
On Aug 3, 2012, at 12:42 PM, kpn...@pobox.com wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 03, 2012 at 04:09:06PM +0200, Wojciech Puchar wrote:
>>> Unless Congress
>>> pulls a Mickey Mouse Protection Act-lookalike on patents by extending
>>> them just as they did with Copyright.
>>>
>>
>> then it will still hit USA us
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 6:15 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
>> This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world
>> of software development.
>
> Yes, agreed, & not just software.
>
> The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting
> if they can't quickly fi
> This is the reason software patents comprise such a blight on the world
> of software development.
Yes, agreed, & not just software.
The european patent office system pressures examiners towards granting
if they can't quickly find prove the application is already known.
http://www.berklix.co
Let's also hope that most patents that could harm us (should there
be some lurking out there) will have expired by then.
True. As most "technology" that ever microsoft "invented" is a quickly
reengineered or just stoled things that was already done many years
before in many other systems, very
> From: Bill Tillman
> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 05:09:00 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
>
> > From: C. P. Ghost
> > Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad
- Original Message -
From: C. P. Ghost
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of
dumb software and hardware.
You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation
of non-Microsoft software, AKA open-source?
don't generalize everything. There are good software, bad software, closed
source software, open source software.
There are great open source software
Hi,
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 12:57:59 -0600
Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
> > >
> Unfortunately, patent law and copyright law are very different
> environments. The truth is that probably every nontrivial piece of
yes.
> software created infri
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
> having hung all its hopes on litigation. Along the way, though, it will
> probably do a lot of damage to a lot of people, projects, and businesses,
> and I just hope it
On Thu, 2 Aug 2012 22:49:37 +0200 (CEST)
Wojciech Puchar articulated:
> true. Microsoft know it is falling.
>
> People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more
> dumb software and hardware.
You do realize that, that statement can be construed as a condemnation
of non-Microsof
It is possible that Microsoft is going the way of SCO -- into its grave,
true. Microsoft know it is falling.
People got fed up with microsoft. They now want even worse and more dumb
software and hardware.
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2012 at 01:39:21PM +, Traiano Welcome wrote:
> >
> >even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in
> >port tree and require user to accept it.
>
> Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and
> run whatever they want on a base op
even if not it's just matter to add proper licence to right ports in port
tree and require user to accept it.
Probably won't even have to do that. People can download, compile and run
whatever they want on a base operating system,
but as long as the base operating system (FreeBSD in our case)
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Wojciech Puchar
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 9:12 AM
> To: Traiano Welcome
> Cc: jb; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: RE: Paten
uot;the community" around software patent infringement.
From: Wojciech Puchar [woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 3:12 PM
To: Traiano Welcome
Cc: jb; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: RE: Patent hit - MS goes after L
This is a scan of ports with "linux" keyword:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=linux&stype=all
It looks somewhat silly to have to rely on those "Linux-whatever" things to be
a functional FreeBSD OS ...
still you are talking on ports.
In what base system rely on linux?
It made a firs
reebsd.org]
on behalf of jb [jb.1234a...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 2:05 PM
To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
Hi,
this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/
this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports,
the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.
ports are
Sean Cavanaugh hotmail.com> writes:
> ...
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
> >
> > The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its
> > ports, the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.
> > This should actual
d.org
Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
Hi,
this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports,
the better. T
> -Original Message-
> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-
> questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of jb
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
> Subject: Patent hit - MS goes after Linux - FreeBSD ?
>
Hi,
this should not be ignored; sooner or later things will get nasty ...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/25/microsoft_patent_deal_amdocs/
The sooner FreeBSD gets rid of Linux-based software (apps, tools) in its ports,
the better. The FB Foundation and Core Team should enact a plan.
This shou
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