Re: Please secure your FTP access
Even if this might get more off-topic now, allow me the following idea: On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 18:05:38 -0400, Allen wrote: > My message was sent with Thunderbird. I don't normally use that because > it's a resource hog and a half, but since my ISP decided to be stupid > and no longer allow direct access, instantly making Mutt and Fetchmail > impossible to use anymore, I have to use something else. I miss Mutt and > Fetchmail, but my ISP is acting stupid. So now, I use Thunderbird > sometimes, Opera's Mail client a lot more, and Kamil, and others, > whenever. Sylpheed and the other one related to it get some use from me, > along with Opera and Kmail, as my main clients now. Still miss Mutt though. According to what your ISP does wrong, and what your current solution is (IMAP -or- POP+SMTP), there's a nice suggestion if you want to handle your mail locally (use of program of choice, getting messages from server and storing them on _your_ machine): You've mentioned fetchmail which does regular POP3 mail incorporation and can also add many authentification features an ISP might require. If this does _not_ work anymore for you, does this mean your ISP blocks POP3, or your mail provider doesn't offer that _essential_ feature anymore? Depending on your local storing format (mbox, MH, MailDir), you can use _any_ client that understands that format (i. e. all clients use the _same_ local storage structure), so it's easy to switch clients depending on requirements. For _sending_ mail: If you run the system's sendmail mailer subsystem properly, you could directly send messages by locally enqueuing them. Many ISPs refuse to accept messages from dynamic IP, as they are considered spam. So if your ISP offers you to relay your mail through one of ITS servers (with a _static_ IP), you can easily configure a statement "define(`SMART_HOST', `mx.your-isp.foo')" in your mc file. In the end, you don't need to configure POP & SMTP in all your different programs, but only as ~/.fetchmailrc for fetchmail (for POP), and your sendmail as described above (for SMTP). Your applications get messages from local spool and send directly to local sendmail. This allows you flexibility in case you cannot use IMAP (or intendedly want to use a program that's not capable of using IMAP). The solution described may be sufficient if your system is the only (or at least primary) one you deal with mail on. PS. This message illustrates the proper use of top-posting. appending replies to quotes, and trimming. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 06:55:05PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: > On Sep 16, 2011, at 17:27, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:42PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: > >> > >> Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make > >> it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any > >> accuracy. > > > > This is why I don't deal with email on my Android smartphone. The mail > > client is a bucket of ass. > > +1. That's why I have an iPhone now. :-) Seriously . . . ? You have an iPhone because the mail client on an Android smartphone sucks. That's odd. I still prefer my iPhone, and have some hope that some day I'll be able to install some kind of BSD Unix system on an Android device. Unlike with the iPhone, I probably wouldn't get sued for doing so. Also, I get to have a keyboard with an Android device. Even before I can shoehorn BSD Unix onto it, at least it's possible to root some Android smartphones without getting sued. Et cetera. . . . but I'm pretty mystified at the idea of getting an iPhone just because of the mail client. Trying to deal with email on *any* smartphone client would be a pain in my fourth point of contact. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpk3YP37aaTm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Sep 16, 2011, at 17:27, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:42PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >> >> Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make >> it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any >> accuracy. > > This is why I don't deal with email on my Android smartphone. The mail > client is a bucket of ass. +1. That's why I have an iPhone now. :-) -- Ryan Coleman ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:42PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: > > Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make > it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any > accuracy. This is why I don't deal with email on my Android smartphone. The mail client is a bucket of ass. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] pgpTDbXxn6qIq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On 9/16/2011 1:37 PM, David Demelier wrote: > On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: >> Sorry for top posting > > I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your > client mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the > last message? I top posted on purpose. Of course my mail client allows me to post normally. The REASON I top posted, was to say something that was not part of the reply I quoted. See, I wanted to say something first, and THEN I wanted to reply to a few things. So, I top posted the part that wasn't related to what was said, and I then posted the rest normally. Clear it up yet? > For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to > write text under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. My message was sent with Thunderbird. I don't normally use that because it's a resource hog and a half, but since my ISP decided to be stupid and no longer allow direct access, instantly making Mutt and Fetchmail impossible to use anymore, I have to use something else. I miss Mutt and Fetchmail, but my ISP is acting stupid. So now, I use Thunderbird sometimes, Opera's Mail client a lot more, and Kamil, and others, whenever. Sylpheed and the other one related to it get some use from me, along with Opera and Kmail, as my main clients now. Still miss Mutt though. I trimmed the rest of this message since that's something another person brought up about your client ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Allen wrote: > Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: >> At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang. wrote: >>> H! there, >>> >>> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. >>> >>> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data >>> >>> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass >>> otherwise it will cost you. >>> >>> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the >>> files tommorrow... >>> >>> Take care.. >> >> You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another >> one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. >> >> HTH >> >>> Ethical but Bad Hacker... He may have actually used his real name too :) - https://www.facebook.com/sarang.chepe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:03:40 -0700 Devin Teske articulated: Between Top/Bottom and in-line posting, this thread is getting harder to read by the minute. I am not at my Windows machine at the moment; however, I know from past experience that I CAN enter text, plain or HTML, after the last entry in a message. It always did work in-line; however since I don't use Outlook for replying to forum mail I cannot swear that it doesn't cause a problem with in-line posting. That then brings up the next question, why is the OP or any of the subsequent posters using HTML to begin with? It certainly does not belong in forum posts. Furthermore, Outlook will send in plain ASCII text if configured to do so. It can also be configured to reply after the text rather than before if configured to do so. Most users don't bother to configure it correctly and then blame the product for their own inadequacies. -- Jerry ✌ jerry+f...@seibercom.net Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or ignored. Do not CC this poster. Please do not ignore the "Reply-To" header. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
RE: Please secure your FTP access
On Fri, September 16, 2011 2:03 pm, Devin Teske wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- >> questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Demelier >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:38 AM >> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access >> >> On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: >> > Sorry for top posting >> >> I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your > client >> mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the last >> message? > > Preamble: Not making excuses for others' actions, but airing grievances > because > I'd really like Microsoft to fix this one. > > Observation: > Microsoft Outlook 2010 has a nasty nasty bug (or at least, I consider it > to be a > bug). If the e-mail that you are responding to is in HTML format and your > reply > is also in HTML format, then you cannot insert text in the middle of the > reply-text. The expectation that you can insert text in the middle of the > reply-text at a different indentation-level fails miserably. As a > work-around > you can change the reply-mail to be in either Rich Text or Plain Text > format, > but that removes the indentation-level of the reply-text (yuck). It's > rather > frustrating and whenever I am faced with top-posting because of Outlook's > iniquities or using another mail client ... I simply use another mail > client > (period). > > Just sharing... > Devin Also many smartphone and tablet mailers automatically top-post, and make it significantly harder to move the cursor around inside the text with any accuracy. Daniel T. Staal --- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On 9/16/11 1:37 PM, David Demelier wrote: For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to write text under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. Though your current client does appear to keep you from trimming. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com
RE: Please secure your FTP access
> -Original Message- > From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd- > questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of David Demelier > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 10:38 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Please secure your FTP access > > On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: > > Sorry for top posting > > I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your client > mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the last message? Preamble: Not making excuses for others' actions, but airing grievances because I'd really like Microsoft to fix this one. Observation: Microsoft Outlook 2010 has a nasty nasty bug (or at least, I consider it to be a bug). If the e-mail that you are responding to is in HTML format and your reply is also in HTML format, then you cannot insert text in the middle of the reply-text. The expectation that you can insert text in the middle of the reply-text at a different indentation-level fails miserably. As a work-around you can change the reply-mail to be in either Rich Text or Plain Text format, but that removes the indentation-level of the reply-text (yuck). It's rather frustrating and whenever I am faced with top-posting because of Outlook's iniquities or using another mail client ... I simply use another mail client (period). Just sharing... Devin > > For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to write text > under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. > > :) > > > but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his > > own web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said > > "This is my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL > > of the text with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the > Keyboard... > > > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > >> At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang. wrote: > >>> H! there, > >>> > >>> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. > >>> > >>> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data > >>> > >>> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass > >>> otherwise it will cost you. > >>> > >>> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the > >>> files tommorrow... > >>> > >>> Take care.. > >> > >> You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is > >> another one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not > rwx. > >> > >> HTH > >> > >>> Ethical but Bad Hacker... > > ___ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- > unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > > -- > David Demelier > ___ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. _ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On 15/09/2011 23:46, Allen wrote: Sorry for top posting I have never understood why people apologise when they top post. Is your client mail so bad that you can't move your cursor selector under the last message? For me, I have tested a lot of client mails and I was always able to write text under the last message. And even microsoft outlook. :) but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang. wrote: H! there, I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass otherwise it will cost you. If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the files tommorrow... Take care.. You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. HTH Ethical but Bad Hacker... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" -- David Demelier ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Thursday 15 September 2011 13:46:35 Allen wrote: > Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > > On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > > At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang. wrote: > >> H! there, > >> > >> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. > >> > >> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data > >> > >> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass > >> otherwise it will cost you. > >> > >> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the > >> files tommorrow... > >> > >> Take care.. > > > > You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another > > one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. > > > > HTH > > > >> Ethical but Bad Hacker... All your files are now belong to us :-P -- --- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - be...@freebsd.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://people.freebsd.org/~beech X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Skype: akbeech / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/8.2R/announce.html --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On 15 September 2011 21:05, Frank Shute wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:46:35PM -0400, Allen wrote: >> >> Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" >> ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a >> Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's >> entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar >> story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when >> they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered >> everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own >> web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is >> my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text >> with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... >> >> This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. >> > > You may mock him now but wait until he discovers csup. With his uber > skills he'll be able to delete all our source files! > > Will you be laughing then? > > ;) > I just ran svn co on your source repository and then symlinked to /dev/null Send me $45 and a Journey T-shirt or I'll run svn ci . . . -- -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:46:35PM -0400, Allen wrote: > > Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" > ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a > Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's > entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar > story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when > they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered > everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own > web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is > my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text > with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... > > This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. > You may mock him now but wait until he discovers csup. With his uber skills he'll be able to delete all our source files! Will you be laughing then? ;) Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html pgppsQz04okoZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Please secure your FTP access
From: Sarang. To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 3:43 PM Subject: Please secure your FTP access Oooh! This big bad but ethical hacker is going to erase all the FTP files I'm shaking in my boots. Please Mr. Big Bad, don't hurt us! Now close your cup holder and take this advice. Don't go away madjust go away! H! there, I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass otherwise it will cost you. If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the files tommorrow... Take care.. Ethical but Bad Hacker... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
Sorry for top posting but can anyone send this to "Computer Stupidities" ? It seems to good to waste like this. Anyone who thinks they're a Hacker yet doesn't know how FTP works is not only funny, it's entertainment. And also, the web site I'm speaking of, has a similar story sent in from another reader, where they talked about back when they were in a Web Development class once, the teacher partnered everyone up with someone else, and so, since he had already made his own web site, he figured he'd show it to his new partner, and said "This is my web site here" and the guy, like a moron, highlighted ALL of the text with a Mouse, and threatened to hit the "Delete" button on the Keyboard... This reminds me of that quite a bit lol. On 9/14/2011 5:57 AM, Eduardo Morras wrote: > At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang. wrote: >> H! there, >> >> I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. >> >> Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data >> >> Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass >> otherwise it will cost you. >> >> If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the >> files tommorrow... >> >> Take care.. > > You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another > one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. > > HTH > >> Ethical but Bad Hacker... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Please secure your FTP access
At 21:43 13/09/2011, Sarang. wrote: H! there, I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass otherwise it will cost you. If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the files tommorrow... Take care.. You log in as anonymous user but the user whom owns the ftp is another one (perhaps ftp). The permises you get are r-x (thh last ones) not rwx. HTH Ethical but Bad Hacker... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Please secure your FTP access
H! there, I have seen your site and also got ftp access.. Please secure your ftp acces otherwise anyone can delete your data Why anyone? even I am also interested in it.. please move your ass otherwise it will cost you. If you are not going to fix this problem then I will delete all the files tommorrow... Take care.. Ethical but Bad Hacker... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
