Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
Hi Damien (I'm sorry for delay) Thanks for your comments (specially for the tips / experience with your -STABLE boxes) Regards, Pablo Carboni. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: However minor the issue seems, I think it warrants a PR, if at least so the entry is added for the next revision of 8.4-RELEASE. Regarding -STABLE, while I respect your decision to be conservative and run -RELEASE, I'd like to point out we've not run into any problem here, in over 3 years with ~40 firewall boxes. On 4 September 2013 17:48, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Damien, I use to install and update 'Releng' releases (plus patches, but not stable releases) in our production servers (Ok, I agree stable is fine, but my main reason is to be conservative under some circunstances). (BTW, You're right, on 8-STABLE branch, it appears the 'missing' line I was looking for) Just as a last comment, I've found this 'normal line' on stable branch (but not on release/releng): http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=log Revision *251500*http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251500 - (viewhttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?revision=251500view=markup) (downloadhttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?revision=251500view=co) (annotatehttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?annotate=251500) - [select for diffs]http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=logr1=251500log_pagestart=0 Modified *Fri Jun 7 15:52:33 2013 UTC* (2 months, 4 weeks ago) by * pluknet* File length: 74494 byte(s) Diff to previous 251026http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?r1=251026r2=251500 Add the entry for 8.4-RELEASE. (I think it should be added by someone to 8.4 releng branch). If this is the case, shouldn't be sent this 'missing entry' to anyone by the means of 'PR' ? Thank you very much for your patience :) Regards, Pablo. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE ! UPDATING: $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $ newvers.sh: # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07 svnexp Exp $ I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track 8-STABLE... On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Damien, (First at all, thanks for your response). I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in case) I've updated my sources today from svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail - and: (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3) -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 74967 Sep 3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING The 'grepped' lines, shows me: 8.3-RELEASE [...] 8.0-RELEASE (But 8.4 still doesn't appear). (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows me: # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z delphij $ TYPE=FreeBSD REVISION=8.4 BRANCH=RELEASE-p3 (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh). Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line, the last) Thanks a lot! Regards, Pablo Carboni. P.S.: The same happens for svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING. http://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: From: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING 20130607: 8.4-RELEASE. On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list
Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE ! UPDATING: $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $ newvers.sh: # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07 svnexp Exp $ I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track 8-STABLE... On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Damien, (First at all, thanks for your response). I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in case) I've updated my sources today from svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail - and: (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3) -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 74967 Sep 3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING The 'grepped' lines, shows me: 8.3-RELEASE [...] 8.0-RELEASE (But 8.4 still doesn't appear). (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows me: # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z delphij $ TYPE=FreeBSD REVISION=8.4 BRANCH=RELEASE-p3 (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh). Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line, the last) Thanks a lot! Regards, Pablo Carboni. P.S.: The same happens for svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING. http://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: From: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING 20130607: 8.4-RELEASE. On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
Dear Damien, I use to install and update 'Releng' releases (plus patches, but not stable releases) in our production servers (Ok, I agree stable is fine, but my main reason is to be conservative under some circunstances). (BTW, You're right, on 8-STABLE branch, it appears the 'missing' line I was looking for) Just as a last comment, I've found this 'normal line' on stable branch (but not on release/releng): http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=log Revision *251500*http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251500 - (viewhttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?revision=251500view=markup) (downloadhttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?revision=251500view=co) (annotate http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?annotate=251500) - [select for diffs]http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=logr1=251500log_pagestart=0 Modified *Fri Jun 7 15:52:33 2013 UTC* (2 months, 4 weeks ago) by *pluknet* File length: 74494 byte(s) Diff to previous 251026http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?r1=251026r2=251500 Add the entry for 8.4-RELEASE. (I think it should be added by someone to 8.4 releng branch). If this is the case, shouldn't be sent this 'missing entry' to anyone by the means of 'PR' ? Thank you very much for your patience :) Regards, Pablo. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE ! UPDATING: $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $ newvers.sh: # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07 svnexp Exp $ I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track 8-STABLE... On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Damien, (First at all, thanks for your response). I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in case) I've updated my sources today from svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail - and: (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3) -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 74967 Sep 3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING The 'grepped' lines, shows me: 8.3-RELEASE [...] 8.0-RELEASE (But 8.4 still doesn't appear). (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows me: # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z delphij $ TYPE=FreeBSD REVISION=8.4 BRANCH=RELEASE-p3 (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh). Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line, the last) Thanks a lot! Regards, Pablo Carboni. P.S.: The same happens for svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING. http://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: From: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING 20130607: 8.4-RELEASE. On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
However minor the issue seems, I think it warrants a PR, if at least so the entry is added for the next revision of 8.4-RELEASE. Regarding -STABLE, while I respect your decision to be conservative and run -RELEASE, I'd like to point out we've not run into any problem here, in over 3 years with ~40 firewall boxes. On 4 September 2013 17:48, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Damien, I use to install and update 'Releng' releases (plus patches, but not stable releases) in our production servers (Ok, I agree stable is fine, but my main reason is to be conservative under some circunstances). (BTW, You're right, on 8-STABLE branch, it appears the 'missing' line I was looking for) Just as a last comment, I've found this 'normal line' on stable branch (but not on release/releng): http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=log Revision *251500*http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revisionrevision=251500 - (viewhttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?revision=251500view=markup) (downloadhttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?revision=251500view=co) (annotatehttp://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?annotate=251500) - [select for diffs]http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?view=logr1=251500log_pagestart=0 Modified *Fri Jun 7 15:52:33 2013 UTC* (2 months, 4 weeks ago) by *pluknet * File length: 74494 byte(s) Diff to previous 251026http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/stable/8/UPDATING?r1=251026r2=251500 Add the entry for 8.4-RELEASE. (I think it should be added by someone to 8.4 releng branch). If this is the case, shouldn't be sent this 'missing entry' to anyone by the means of 'PR' ? Thank you very much for your patience :) Regards, Pablo. On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: Note that, as opposed to you, I'm tracking 8-STABLE and not 8.4-RELEASE ! UPDATING: $FreeBSD: src/UPDATING,v 1.632.2.39 2013/08/23 15:21:39 svnexp Exp $ newvers.sh: # $FreeBSD: src/sys/conf/newvers.sh,v 1.83.2.25 2013/08/07 08:26:07 svnexp Exp $ I'll check our clusters of firewalls to see if I've got any 8.4-RELEASE box lying around, but don't hold your breath, we almost universally track 8-STABLE... On 4 September 2013 00:49, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Damien, (First at all, thanks for your response). I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in case) I've updated my sources today from svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail - and: (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3) -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 74967 Sep 3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING The 'grepped' lines, shows me: 8.3-RELEASE [...] 8.0-RELEASE (But 8.4 still doesn't appear). (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows me: # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z delphij $ TYPE=FreeBSD REVISION=8.4 BRANCH=RELEASE-p3 (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh). Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line, the last) Thanks a lot! Regards, Pablo Carboni. P.S.: The same happens for svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING. http://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: From: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING 20130607: 8.4-RELEASE. On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
From: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING 20130607: 8.4-RELEASE. On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Question about a possible missing line/entry for file UPDATING (from http://svnweb.freebsd.org) - 8.4-RELEASE plus branches
Hello Damien, (First at all, thanks for your response). I do not want to insist too much with this silly thing, but(just in case) I've updated my sources today from svn0.us-west.freebsd.org(base/releng/8.4), - previously to my first e-mail - and: (Argentina's current TZ is GMT-3) -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 74967 Sep 3 12:11 /usr/src/UPDATING The 'grepped' lines, shows me: 8.3-RELEASE [...] 8.0-RELEASE (But 8.4 still doesn't appear). (However, while grepping first lines in /usr/src/sys/conf/newvers.sh shows me: # $FreeBSD: releng/8.4/sys/conf/newvers.sh 254632 2013-08-22 00:51:56Z delphij $ TYPE=FreeBSD REVISION=8.4 BRANCH=RELEASE-p3 (Same svn id for UPDATING/newvers.sh). Any clues? (What's your svn $Id for UPDATING? - I mean, the whole line, the last) Thanks a lot! Regards, Pablo Carboni. P.S.: The same happens for svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING. http://svn0.us-east.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING (Maybe I'm afraid for local syncing problems on my fbsd server) On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Damien Fleuriot m...@my.gd wrote: From: -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 75631 Aug 27 12:46 /usr/src/UPDATING 20130607: 8.4-RELEASE. On 3 September 2013 18:16, Pablo Carboni pcarb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Sirs, Just for curious, today I was looking for the date/entry that belongs to FreeBSD 8.4-RELEASE inside UPDATING file, with no luck. Maybe I've made a mistake and I was looking inside a wrong file/url? It doesn't appear, neither http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/release/8.4.0/UPDATING?revision=251259view=markup (RELEASE branch) nor http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/releng/8.4/UPDATING?view=markuppathrev=254632 (RELENG branch, currently last revision). (This 'little detail' includes sources for 8.4-RELEASE and branch 8.4-RELEASE-p3, which I've downloaded recently). A quick dirty search I've did on a 8.4-RELEASE-p3 box: grep 8\..*-RELEASE /usr/src/UPDATING (There is no reference for '8.4') Thanks in advance! Regards, Pablo Carboni ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
