Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
ygb writes: I have notebook IP-120MHz, without FDD He is not boot from CD. It is very old. How can i install FreeBSD on in? Create a boot floppy. You can then boot from the floppy and install from the CD. A fully procedure for doing this may be found here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html Look at part 2.2.7 on that page. It explains how to create the floppies. -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
it was said by Anthony Atkielski ygb writes: I have notebook IP-120MHz, without FDD He is not boot from CD. It is very old. How can i install FreeBSD on in? Create a boot floppy. You can then boot from the floppy and install from the CD. A fully procedure for doing this may be found here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html Look at part 2.2.7 on that page. It explains how to create the floppies. -- Anthony Hello, Because you don't have a floppy drive, Mr. Atkielski's suggestion will not work. The link he gave you is a good one. Skip section 2.2.7 and read section 2.13 instead. It explains how to install if you do not have a floppy drive. HTH, Stheg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
stheg olloydson writes: Because you don't have a floppy drive, Mr. Atkielski's suggestion will not work. The link he gave you is a good one. Skip section 2.2.7 and read section 2.13 instead. It explains how to install if you do not have a floppy drive. If you have neither a CD drive or a floppy drive, I don't see how you can install FreeBSD at all. The only option then is network (or tape), but to use either of these you have to persuade your existing OS on the machine to load something from them and turn control over to it (like a boot). Most operating systems are understandably lacking in mechanisms to do this (although there is a program under NT that will wipe the system clean in one move--I don't think it ships any more, since it was too dangerous). -- Anthony ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
Anthony Atkielski wrote: stheg olloydson writes: Because you don't have a floppy drive, Mr. Atkielski's suggestion will not work. The link he gave you is a good one. Skip section 2.2.7 and read section 2.13 instead. It explains how to install if you do not have a floppy drive. If you have neither a CD drive or a floppy drive, I don't see how you can install FreeBSD at all. The only option then is network (or tape), but to use either of these you have to persuade your existing OS on the machine to load something from them and turn control over to it (like a boot). Most operating systems are understandably lacking in mechanisms to do this (although there is a program under NT that will wipe the system clean in one move--I don't think it ships any more, since it was too dangerous). Section 2.13 assumes the use of a boot floppy or bootable CD in all cases, unless I'm reading incorrectly, which is possible but doesn't seem likely. You've got to bootstrap a kernel into RAM *somehow* to do the work. This section discusses alternative distribution media, but doesn't explain an alternate booting of a kernel+sysinstall. Without a bootable CD and no floppy hardware, the only alternatives I can think of are: 1. Install FreeBSD on the HDD by moving it to another machine that has a floppy drive, then move it back. 2. If your BIOS supports network booting, it might be possible to get the laptop started diskless, and then run sysinstall over the network. Sound like a big project to me, though. I've toyed with the idea of starting a diskless LAN (mostly for fun), but haven't had guts to try it yet. 3. Anything else your BIOS might support that you can figure out how to get started with, but I have no idea what devices those might be Kevin Kinsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
it was said by Kevin Kinsey: Anthony Atkielski wrote: stheg olloydson writes: Because you don't have a floppy drive, Mr. Atkielski's suggestion will not work. The link he gave you is a good one. Skip section 2.2.7 and read section 2.13 instead. It explains how to install if you do not have a floppy drive. If you have neither a CD drive or a floppy drive, I don't see how you can install FreeBSD at all. The only option then is network (or tape), but to use either of these you have to persuade your existing OS on the machine to load something from them and turn control over to it (like a boot). Most operating systems are understandably lacking in mechanisms to do this (although there is a program under NT that will wipe the system clean in one move--I don't think it ships any more, since it was too dangerous). Section 2.13 assumes the use of a boot floppy or bootable CD in all cases, unless I'm reading incorrectly, which is possible but doesn't seem likely. The documentation is a bit ambiguous. It states that the install files need to be where sysinstall can find them, but it doesn't state how to get sysinstall to run in the first place. Just below this section it does say: You have a FreeBSD disk, and FreeBSD does not recognize your CD/DVD drive, but MS-DOS/Windows® does. You want to copy the FreeBSD installations files to a DOS partition on the same computer, and then install FreeBSD using those files. This certainly implies that one can install FBSD from a DOS partition if one copies the correct files in the correct manner. That method is explained in section 2.13.4. Luckily for me, I have never had to confront this issue, so I have no idea if you or I am correct. You've got to bootstrap a kernel into RAM *somehow* to do the work. This section discusses alternative distribution media, but doesn't explain an alternate booting of a kernel+sysinstall. Without a bootable CD and no floppy hardware, the only alternatives I can think of are: 1. Install FreeBSD on the HDD by moving it to another machine that has a floppy drive, then move it back. 2. If your BIOS supports network booting, it might be possible to get the laptop started diskless, and then run sysinstall over the network. Sound like a big project to me, though. I've toyed with the idea of starting a diskless LAN (mostly for fun), but haven't had guts to try it yet. 3. Anything else your BIOS might support that you can figure out how to get started with, but I have no idea what devices those might be Kevin Kinsey Something not mentioned but really needs to be is hardware compatibilty. the OP, ygb, should check the Hardware Notes to see if his/her system will even work under FBSD. Because the laptop is older, the amount of RAM may determine which release to run, 4.11 or 5.3. Going through the effort the install may take only to discover the end result is unusable would be unfortunate. Best regards, stheg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
it was said: Hello stheg, snip no longer relevant posts Hardvare configuration: Intel Pentium 120MHz 80Mb RAM (!) 4,3 Gb HDD Hitachi CD-ROM -8x Panasonic (I CAN NOT boot from it) NO LAN, NO FDD, 2,5-HDD - I can't connect this HDD to desktop and install FreeBSD on it. BUT I read in file /tools/00_index.txt (line 1): setup.exe Prepare for installation from a DOS partition. I hope it help me, but I can not FOUND IT - I can't found setup.exe in the installatoin CD-ROM, in the ftp-server on freebsd.org Where I can found this utilite??? Hello, Please include the list in all replies. As I said, I have never done what you are trying to do, and this is one of those questions that needs someone who has done it to step in with some good advice, so I really cannot be of very much help. Judging by what I have read, at some point you could install from a DOS partition without using floppies, but that is now not possible. The file you mention is dated 1997, but was updated in 1999. In the same directory is a readme dated in 1999 that lists the directory's contents, and it does not mention setup.exe. In fact, it doesn't mention most of the stuff in the directory. So I think both are out-of-date and useless. The install.txt file, dated Nov. 2004, in the root directory on a 5.3 CD says this: 1.5.3 Installing from a DOS partition To prepare for installation from an MS-DOS partition you should simply copy the files from the distribution into a directory called FREEBSD on the Primary DOS partition (C:). For example, to do a minimal installation of FreeBSD from DOS using files copied from the CDROM, you might do something like this: C:\ MD C:\FREEBSD C:\ XCOPY /S E:\BASE C:\FREEBSD\BASE Assuming that E: was where your CD was mounted. For as many distributions as you wish to install from DOS (and you have free space for), install each one in a directory under C:\FREEBSD - the BIN dist is only the minimal requirement. Once you've copied the directories, you can simply launch the installation from floppies as normal and select ``DOS'' as your media type when the time comes. As you can see, it says you MUST use floppies for a DOS install. Maybe this is different for 4.11; I don't know. If it is not different, your only hope seems to be either an NFS, SLIP, or PLIP install. But before checking into this, I strongly suggest you check your hardware compatibility. If you want to run 4.11, see this link about the hardware it supports: http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/4-STABLE/hardware/i386/index.html If you want to run 5.3, see this link about the hardware it supports: http://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/5-STABLE/hardware/i386/index.html Good luck, stheg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
Original Message- From: ygb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive I have notebook IP-120MHz, without FDD He is not boot from CD. It is very old. How can i install FreeBSD on in? It has Windows partition I see utilit setup.exe in the list of files in /tools, but has NOT found it. Help me, please! See this how-to http://www.freebsddiary.org/plip.php dave mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. Sorry for my English. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
Original Message- From: ygb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive I have notebook IP-120MHz, without FDD He is not boot from CD. It is very old. How can i install FreeBSD on in? It has Windows partition I see utilit setup.exe in the list of files in /tools, but has NOT found it. Help me, please! Hauan David A wrote: See this how-to http://www.freebsddiary.org/plip.php dave Thanks for that link. It's a good article. But we're still not helping the OP. To quote from this article: Slap in your boot disk, select your options, and get yourself up to the point of choosing your installation method. Choose FTP install, and you should be prompted to set up your network interface. Choose lp0, So, where is he supposed to slap in this boot disk, as he still has no FDD, and his BIOS won't boot from CD-ROM? Until someone invents hot-swappable motherboards (gg), I don't see that he can do this either. The installation program *has to be* executing in memory on the machine to be installed. Now, if some manufacturer's BIOS supported etherboot via PLIP interface, I could see some possibilities, though it's a rather desperate endeavor. Or am I just really, really dense here? Kevin KInsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive
Kevin Kinsey wrote: Original Message- From: ygb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Install Free BSD without floppy and bootable CD-ROM-drive I have notebook IP-120MHz, without FDD How can i install FreeBSD on in? It has Windows partition I see utilit setup.exe in the list of files in /tools, but has NOT found it. Help me, please! Hauan David A wrote: See this how-to http://www.freebsddiary.org/plip.php dave Thanks for that link. It's a good article. But we're still not helping the OP. To quote from this article: Slap in your boot disk, select your options, and get yourself up to the point of choosing your installation method. Choose FTP install, and you should be prompted to set up your network interface. Choose lp0, So, where is he supposed to slap in this boot disk, as he still has no FDD, and his BIOS won't boot from CD-ROM? Until someone invents hot-swappable motherboards (gg), I don't see that he can do this either. The installation program *has to be* executing in memory on the machine to be installed. Now, if some manufacturer's BIOS supported etherboot via PLIP interface, I could see some possibilities, though it's a rather desperate endeavor. Or am I just really, really dense here? Kevin KInsey ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i think my old thinkpad will boot from the CDROM if i hit a certain F keys on boot. can you download the hardware manual from somewhere? -- Regards, Anthony John Carmody ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
