Re: Quick Install Question
On 12/28/05, Roshan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/28/05, Robert Slade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 19:18, Gerard Seibert wrote: On Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:42:54 PM Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quick Install Question Wrote these words of wisdom: Is the WinXP partition in the same computer that is running FreeBSD? Or is the NTFS partition a shared directory on a separate WinXP computer? (I was not aware that Samba could be used to read NTFS partitions residing on a FreeBSD computer.) The original poster wishes to dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD on the same computer. Andrew Gould * REPLY SEPARATOR * On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: Actually, there are three computers. One is running FreeBSD 5.4 and the other two have WinXP Pro installed. I networked all three together. The WinXP systems are using the NTFS format. Samba can read and write to both of the WinXP machines without any problems. I really do not know if this is germane to a dual boot system however. It probably is not since WinXP would not actually be running when FreeBSD was in this type of configuration. Fat32 is really a poor file system when compared to NTFS. It is too bad that he is unable to get a second machine and use FreeBSD on it instead of dual booting. Just my 2¢. Gerhard, Just to clear up a point. In your case, Samba is not writing to NTFS. it is handling the communications between the 2 operating systems using the SMB protocol. The individual OS' handle to filing system input/outputs. The issue with FreeBSD reading and writing to NTFS directly is different. There is a driver that will allow FreeBSD to read NTFS, but because of the complexities of NTFS writing to it is dificult and whilst possible can cause the NTFS partition to become unreadable by XP. For info the best way of setting up dual booting of FreeBSD and XP is to use 3 partitions, 1 for XP using NTFS, 1 for FreeBSD and a 3rd Fat32 partition for data transfer. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi everyone. i just want to add a little something to this discussion, about read/write from Windows boxes. You can use mount_smbfs to mount a shared resource from an SMB file server. See 'man mount_smbfs' for more info. Roshan ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:13:30 -0600 Daniel Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear FreeBSD- I'm a FreeBSD 6.0 newbie and very excited. Could you please by any chance answer the following basic install Question? What is the order of installing FreeBSD for a dual-boot XP environment on a single HDD using GAG (ie, which do I install first, which partition for each os, is there a resource for this answer published somewhere anyway???) Thank you, Daniel Goldberg Daniel Franklin Goldberg 1. Install Windows first, in the first partition. If you want FreeBSD to be able to write to the Windows partition, use the fat32 format instead of NTFS. Do NOT create this partition to use the entire disk as the FreeBSD installation does not include tools to resize the existing Windows partition. 2. See more documentation regarding FreeBSD installation at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Best of luck, Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Quick Install Question
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Goldberg Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:14 AM To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Quick Install Question Dear FreeBSD- I'm a FreeBSD 6.0 newbie and very excited. Could you please by any chance answer the following basic install Question? What is the order of installing FreeBSD for a dual-boot XP environment on a single HDD using GAG (ie, which do I install first, which partition for each os, is there a resource for this answer published somewhere anyway???) Welcome to FreeBSD! By all means read the Handbook before going any further. Also, the FAQ's (both on freebsd.org) are very helpful to newbies. One very nice thing about FreeBSD is the huge number of resources available on the web. Google for them. The quick answer to your question is install XP first, then FreeBSD. The reason is that Windows is very impolite relative to coexisting with other OS's, and it overwrites the MBR! -gayn Bristol Systems Inc. 714/532-6776 www.bristolsystems.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
On Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:39:04 AM Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quick Install Question Wrote these words of wisdom: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:13:30 -0600 Daniel Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear FreeBSD- [..] 1. Install Windows first, in the first partition. If you want FreeBSD to be able to write to the Windows partition, use the fat32 format instead of NTFS. Do NOT create this partition to use the entire disk as the FreeBSD installation does not include tools to resize the existing Windows partition. 2. See more documentation regarding FreeBSD installation at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Best of luck, Andrew Gould * REPLY SEPARATOR * On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: Perhaps I am missing something here, but I have WinXP installed on one of my computers. The HD is formatted with NTFS, not fat32. Using Samba, i can both read and write to this disk. Maybe I am missing something from the original posters message. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination. When it is looked upon as vulgar, it will cease to be popular. Oscar Wilde ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 13:21:26 -0500 Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, December 27, 2005 11:39:04 AM Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quick Install Question Wrote these words of wisdom: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:13:30 -0600 Daniel Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear FreeBSD- [..] 1. Install Windows first, in the first partition. If you want FreeBSD to be able to write to the Windows partition, use the fat32 format instead of NTFS. Do NOT create this partition to use the entire disk as the FreeBSD installation does not include tools to resize the existing Windows partition. 2. See more documentation regarding FreeBSD installation at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install.html Best of luck, Andrew Gould * REPLY SEPARATOR * On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: Perhaps I am missing something here, but I have WinXP installed on one of my computers. The HD is formatted with NTFS, not fat32. Using Samba, i can both read and write to this disk. Maybe I am missing something from the original posters message. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is the WinXP partition in the same computer that is running FreeBSD? Or is the NTFS partition a shared directory on a separate WinXP computer? (I was not aware that Samba could be used to read NTFS partitions residing on a FreeBSD computer.) The original poster wishes to dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD on the same computer. Andrew Gould ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
On Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:42:54 PM Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quick Install Question Wrote these words of wisdom: Is the WinXP partition in the same computer that is running FreeBSD? Or is the NTFS partition a shared directory on a separate WinXP computer? (I was not aware that Samba could be used to read NTFS partitions residing on a FreeBSD computer.) The original poster wishes to dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD on the same computer. Andrew Gould * REPLY SEPARATOR * On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: Actually, there are three computers. One is running FreeBSD 5.4 and the other two have WinXP Pro installed. I networked all three together. The WinXP systems are using the NTFS format. Samba can read and write to both of the WinXP machines without any problems. I really do not know if this is germane to a dual boot system however. It probably is not since WinXP would not actually be running when FreeBSD was in this type of configuration. Fat32 is really a poor file system when compared to NTFS. It is too bad that he is unable to get a second machine and use FreeBSD on it instead of dual booting. Just my 2¢. -- Gerard Seibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] famous programmer quotation: you'veprobable made a mistake ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
Gerard Seibert wrote: On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: Actually, there are three computers. One is running FreeBSD 5.4 and the other two have WinXP Pro installed. I networked all three together. The WinXP systems are using the NTFS format. Samba can read and write to both of the WinXP machines without any problems. I really do not know if this is germane to a dual boot system however. It probably is not since WinXP would not actually be running when FreeBSD was in this type of configuration. Fat32 is really a poor file system when compared to NTFS. It is too bad that he is unable to get a second machine and use FreeBSD on it instead of dual booting. Unfortunately, NTFS is not documented by Microsoft so non-Microsoft drivers cannot write to that file system reliably. See http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ -- they've put a lot of work into discovering how to use NTFS. So 'out-of-the-box', FreeBSD OS can mount and read from NTFS partitions, but not write. Samba allows computers to exchange files, but uses each computer's local OS to access a filesystem. There are GUI tools that use the linux-ntfs utility 'ntfsresize' to resize an NTFS partition, so you can add a FreeBSD partition even if you have a pre-built NTFS install. I keep a copy of 'SystemRescueCD' around for just that purpose, since it has those tools already. Some of the WinXP recovery' disks will wipe out your entire drive when you 'recover', so as most people will recommend, install Windows first(!) because it's install utilities are very presumptuous and you can easily waste all your previous effort on a different OS. I have read that there is a way to use the WinXP NTFS driver from within Linux (and probably FreeBSD) to provide NTFS write support, but I have not tried that yet. In any case, Welcome Daniel! Good luck with your install. If you are installing on a machine whose BIOS is a few years old, you may find the 1024-cylinder limitation: the BIOS will not boot from a partition whose start is beyond that limit. If it's a new machine, then you probably don't need to worry about it. If you do, create a small NTFS partition for WinXP, then the FreeBSD partition, then a larger NTFS partition if you need it (it will appear as drive 'd:'). I always keep a reasonably sized FAT32 partition so I can transfer files between the two OS's (that's the only 'common' read/write FS). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:13:30 -0600 Daniel Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the order of installing FreeBSD for a dual-boot XP environment on a single HDD using GAG (ie, which do I install first, which partition for each os, is there a resource for this answer published somewhere anyway???) first install the Microsoft-OS, and then FreeBSD (and make sure there's 1 primary partition left for FreeBSD to install on) see also : http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-pre.html -- grtjs, albi gpg-key: lynx -dump http://scii.nl/~albi/gpg.asc | gpg --import ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quick Install Question
On Tue, 2005-12-27 at 19:18, Gerard Seibert wrote: On Tuesday, December 27, 2005 1:42:54 PM Andrew L. Gould [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Quick Install Question Wrote these words of wisdom: Is the WinXP partition in the same computer that is running FreeBSD? Or is the NTFS partition a shared directory on a separate WinXP computer? (I was not aware that Samba could be used to read NTFS partitions residing on a FreeBSD computer.) The original poster wishes to dual boot WinXP and FreeBSD on the same computer. Andrew Gould * REPLY SEPARATOR * On 10/11/2005 5:29:42 PM, Gerard Replied: Actually, there are three computers. One is running FreeBSD 5.4 and the other two have WinXP Pro installed. I networked all three together. The WinXP systems are using the NTFS format. Samba can read and write to both of the WinXP machines without any problems. I really do not know if this is germane to a dual boot system however. It probably is not since WinXP would not actually be running when FreeBSD was in this type of configuration. Fat32 is really a poor file system when compared to NTFS. It is too bad that he is unable to get a second machine and use FreeBSD on it instead of dual booting. Just my 2¢. Gerhard, Just to clear up a point. In your case, Samba is not writing to NTFS. it is handling the communications between the 2 operating systems using the SMB protocol. The individual OS' handle to filing system input/outputs. The issue with FreeBSD reading and writing to NTFS directly is different. There is a driver that will allow FreeBSD to read NTFS, but because of the complexities of NTFS writing to it is dificult and whilst possible can cause the NTFS partition to become unreadable by XP. For info the best way of setting up dual booting of FreeBSD and XP is to use 3 partitions, 1 for XP using NTFS, 1 for FreeBSD and a 3rd Fat32 partition for data transfer. Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
