Re: Raidtest/3Ware 6000 Throughput

2006-03-16 Thread Chuck Swiger
Don O'Neil wrote:
[ ... ]
 Does this seem accurate? Should I only be seeing 4.7 MB/second throughput or
 is raidtest just not a good way to measure peak throughput?
 
 Any thoughts would be appreciated.

It does not astonish me that you get 5 MB/s on a RAID-5 config, although if you
used SCSI and/or a real HW RAID-5 controller with significant cache (ie, 64+ MB)
that would help the performance by quite a bit.

Use RAID-5 for read-only or read-mostly situations and you'll be better off; use
RAID-10 for write-heavy filesystems instead.

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-Chuck
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RE: Raidtest/3Ware 6000 Throughput

2006-03-16 Thread Don O'Neil
Chuck,
  Thanks... That is the intention of the filesystem, it is going in a web
server. 

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Subject: Re: Raidtest/3Ware 6000 Throughput

Don O'Neil wrote:
[ ... ]
 Does this seem accurate? Should I only be seeing 4.7 MB/second 
 throughput or is raidtest just not a good way to measure peak throughput?
 
 Any thoughts would be appreciated.

It does not astonish me that you get 5 MB/s on a RAID-5 config, although if
you used SCSI and/or a real HW RAID-5 controller with significant cache (ie,
64+ MB) that would help the performance by quite a bit.

Use RAID-5 for read-only or read-mostly situations and you'll be better off;
use RAID-10 for write-heavy filesystems instead.

--
-Chuck
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RE: Raidtest/3Ware 6000 Throughput

2006-03-16 Thread Don O'Neil
I would have thought I would at least see the raw single drive throughput,
plus maybe a bit more. I've benched these drives independantly at 20+
MB/second... Is the 3ware card really slowing things down that much with the
RAID-5 overhead?

What real HW RAID-5 controller would you suggest? I'd like to stick with
IDE/ATA since I have a bunch of drives already.

Am I maybe CPU bound, or have another issue? 

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Subject: Re: Raidtest/3Ware 6000 Throughput

Don O'Neil wrote:
[ ... ]
 Does this seem accurate? Should I only be seeing 4.7 MB/second 
 throughput or is raidtest just not a good way to measure peak throughput?
 
 Any thoughts would be appreciated.

It does not astonish me that you get 5 MB/s on a RAID-5 config, although if
you used SCSI and/or a real HW RAID-5 controller with significant cache (ie,
64+ MB) that would help the performance by quite a bit.

Use RAID-5 for read-only or read-mostly situations and you'll be better off;
use RAID-10 for write-heavy filesystems instead.

--
-Chuck
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Re: Raidtest/3Ware 6000 Throughput

2006-03-16 Thread Chuck Swiger
Don O'Neil wrote:
 I would have thought I would at least see the raw single drive throughput,
 plus maybe a bit more.

When choosing RAID levels, you are making a tradeoff between performance,
reliability, and cost.  Choosing RAID-5 means you value performance the least of
the three:

If you prefer... ...consider using:
---
performance, reliability:RAID-1 mirroring
performance, cost:   RAID-0 striping
reliability, performance:RAID-1 mirroring (+ hot spare, if possible)
reliability, cost:   RAID-5 (+ hot spare)
cost, reliability:   RAID-5
cost, performance:   RAID-0 striping

If you've got enough drives, using RAID-10 or RAID-50 will also improve
performance compared to stock RAID-1 or RAID-5 modes.

 I've benched these drives independantly at 20+
 MB/second... Is the 3ware card really slowing things down that much with the
 RAID-5 overhead?

Yes.  It will be less noticeable with big transactions, and more noticeable with
lots of tiny ones.

 What real HW RAID-5 controller would you suggest? I'd like to stick with
 IDE/ATA since I have a bunch of drives already.

Maybe the 3ware 9500S -4 or -8...?

 Am I maybe CPU bound, or have another issue? 

You're probably I/O bound, not CPU bound.

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