RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Risdon Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 1:32 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Colin J. Raven; FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. Surely the easiest way to deal with a horde installation on FreeBSD is to install the ports, Now, yes. Then, no - as the versions of the various bits in the ports had security holes in them. And also IMP wasn't completely in the ports dirs when I first started dealing with it. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 22:17 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 09:59 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 6 at 21:41, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: Use IMP. [...] Now you mention it, I seem to recall a shedload of issues if you had to download the source and build it by hand. There were definite gotchas in that process I believe. How so? It's PHP. There's nothing to build. There were a number of gotchas that were serious EARLIER ON. Here's a list of the ones I ran into: OK, I see what you mean. I was strictly correct and a lot of these gotchas have nothing to do with IMP, but that's not much help to someone who actually has to get a working installation of horde/IMP in real life. Surely the easiest way to deal with a horde installation on FreeBSD is to install the ports, so dependencies including the necessary PHP extensions are pulled in for you, php.ini is updated properly as the install goes along, paths in config files are correct, program names are appropriate and so on. then replace scripts and upgrade dependencies where there are security or feature reasons to do so? And that respect, installing IMP is no more difficult or problematic than any other moderately complicated web based application, which is the point I was trying to make. I just tried this and got a working horde without any problems. BTW, it all works fine with courier-imap as well as imap-uw. Peter. 1) The versions of IMP and Horde in the ports tree were old and had security holes thus had to be scratched 2) X Windows is a dependency on one of the subsidiary programs so you have to plan your disk partition strategy. 3) IMP's config file used the name wvHtml for the MS Word viewer and first time I ran across this I spent at least an hour finding out that this program had been renamed wv (wv requires imagemagic which requires X and a great many other programs) 4) IMP looks for user programs (like ispell) in /usr/bin not /usr/local/bin 5) many issues with getting Apache mod-SSL running properly with a self-signed key (you have to generate it manually with openssl, the apache docs that say use make key or whatnot don't work) 6) There's no list anywhere of what drivers in php IMP needs you have to guess. (ie: ldap) 7) Using a different imap server than uw-imap might cause trouble with php, as that port installs the uw-imap client libraries. 8) All kinds of dumb-ass file naming issues with default config files from when php went to php4. (ie: .php3 to .php) 9) uw-imap that ports installs was old and had security hole 10) php.ini and local.inc in phplib supplied by Horde has wrong pathnames in it 11) php.ini doesen't have extension-imap.so and mysql.so in it 12) Not clear that dirs horde-1.2.3 and imp-2.2.3 need to be renamed horde and imp 13) - the instructions place phplib into the document root, and local.inc is in there, so a command like: https://machinename.com/horde/phplib/local.inc Will open up the local.inc file in all its glory. You can you can move phplib from /usr/local/www/htdocs/horde/phplib to /usr/local/www/phplib and change all the references to point to there. Most of these are due to misinterpretaitons of the install docs, which exist because the install docs were written by someone who thinks that concise writing is a good thing with instructions. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: snip Pointless for us, as CAcert's root certificate isn't included in I.E., so the end users have to go through the same honky-tonk to include it in their browsers as if you just make your own certs. Not quite. If they include the CA-Cert root certificate, they only have to do that once for all of your CA-Cert signed certificates. -- Tabor Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tabor.taborandtashell.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tabor Kelly Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 9:39 AM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Colin J. Raven; Peter Risdon; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: snip Pointless for us, as CAcert's root certificate isn't included in I.E., so the end users have to go through the same honky-tonk to include it in their browsers as if you just make your own certs. Not quite. If they include the CA-Cert root certificate, they only have to do that once for all of your CA-Cert signed certificates. Good point. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Jan 7 at 23:53, Tabor Kelly launched this into the bitstream: Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: snip 5) many issues with getting Apache mod-SSL running properly with a self-signed key (you have to generate it manually with openssl, the apache docs that say use make key or whatnot don't work) I am not doubting you that this was an issue. But it is now documented quite nicely in the mod_ssl faq (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html). Also (as a side note), I use CAcert (http://www.cacert.org) for my key signing needs. Good tip, thanks for sharing it Regards, -Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
-Original Message- From: Tabor Kelly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 11:54 PM To: Ted Mittelstaedt Cc: Peter Risdon; Colin J. Raven; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: snip 5) many issues with getting Apache mod-SSL running properly with a self-signed key (you have to generate it manually with openssl, the apache docs that say use make key or whatnot don't work) I am not doubting you that this was an issue. But it is now documented quite nicely in the mod_ssl faq As I said, gotchas that were serious EARLIER ON. (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html). Also (as a side note), I use CAcert (http://www.cacert.org) for my key signing needs. Pointless for us, as CAcert's root certificate isn't included in I.E., so the end users have to go through the same honky-tonk to include it in their browsers as if you just make your own certs. We use self-signed certs for a great many production items - e-mail webinterface, account stats, imaps, etc. basically anything that a password would go over. Never had a customer have a problem inserting our self-signed cert into their browser, never had any complaints about it either. Only thing we don't do is take credit card#'s online - not because of the SSL issues, but because our credit card processing software is so old that we would either have to pay $500 for an update to it, or the bank requires us to only take #'s by phone or in person. So far nobody here has thought up a good enough reason to pay a bank $500 for new software just to be able to do this when the old software runs fine. We kind of feel that since the bank is saving money by not having to manually process a pack of CC paper slips, that we shouldn't be the ones paying for software to help the bank save itself money, you know? Maybe if it was some other vendor than a bank Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
-Original Message- From: Peter Risdon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:17 AM To: Colin J. Raven Cc: Ted Mittelstaedt; FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 11:12 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 7 at 09:41, Peter Risdon launched this into the bitstream: On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 09:59 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 6 at 21:41, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: Use IMP. [...] Now you mention it, I seem to recall a shedload of issues if you had to download the source and build it by hand. There were definite gotchas in that process I believe. How so? It's PHP. There's nothing to build. There were a number of gotchas that were serious EARLIER ON. Here's a list of the ones I ran into: 1) The versions of IMP and Horde in the ports tree were old and had security holes thus had to be scratched 2) X Windows is a dependency on one of the subsidiary programs so you have to plan your disk partition strategy. 3) IMP's config file used the name wvHtml for the MS Word viewer and first time I ran across this I spent at least an hour finding out that this program had been renamed wv (wv requires imagemagic which requires X and a great many other programs) 4) IMP looks for user programs (like ispell) in /usr/bin not /usr/local/bin 5) many issues with getting Apache mod-SSL running properly with a self-signed key (you have to generate it manually with openssl, the apache docs that say use make key or whatnot don't work) 6) There's no list anywhere of what drivers in php IMP needs you have to guess. (ie: ldap) 7) Using a different imap server than uw-imap might cause trouble with php, as that port installs the uw-imap client libraries. 8) All kinds of dumb-ass file naming issues with default config files from when php went to php4. (ie: .php3 to .php) 9) uw-imap that ports installs was old and had security hole 10) php.ini and local.inc in phplib supplied by Horde has wrong pathnames in it 11) php.ini doesen't have extension-imap.so and mysql.so in it 12) Not clear that dirs horde-1.2.3 and imp-2.2.3 need to be renamed horde and imp 13) - the instructions place phplib into the document root, and local.inc is in there, so a command like: https://machinename.com/horde/phplib/local.inc Will open up the local.inc file in all itÂ’s glory. You can you can move phplib from /usr/local/www/htdocs/horde/phplib to /usr/local/www/phplib and change all the references to point to there. Most of these are due to misinterpretaitons of the install docs, which exist because the install docs were written by someone who thinks that concise writing is a good thing with instructions. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: snip 5) many issues with getting Apache mod-SSL running properly with a self-signed key (you have to generate it manually with openssl, the apache docs that say use make key or whatnot don't work) I am not doubting you that this was an issue. But it is now documented quite nicely in the mod_ssl faq (http://www.modssl.org/docs/2.8/ssl_faq.html). Also (as a side note), I use CAcert (http://www.cacert.org) for my key signing needs. -- Tabor Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tabor.taborandtashell.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Jan 6 at 21:41, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: Use IMP. Of course, some people pooh-pooh it saying it's hard to setup. However, IMP is one of those programs that is worth the effort, as if you install the entire suite of programs you have a very powerful front end mail system. IMP is what we use and if you want my notes from the last installation your welcome to them. Like others, I'd heard of the installation difficulties you made reference to. I'm at something of a crossroads moment right now as it relates to webmail, so this thread is well timed. I *was* gonna simply install Squirrelmail since I know it and use it elsewhere. Now perhaps is the time to look at an alternative. I'd welcome your IMP installation notes! I *gather* (not in front of a FreeBSD box at this moment) that IMP is *not* in ports, otherwise (surely) installation wouldn't be *that* complex? Configging maybe, but install-wise ports 'apps just; slide right in there - usually :-) /me is keenly anticipating install notes!! Thanks for that Ted! Regards, -Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:41:50 -0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote Use IMP. Of course, some people pooh-pooh it saying it's hard to setup. However, IMP is one of those programs that is worth the effort, as if you install the entire suite of programs you have a very powerful front end mail system. True enough, but I never managed to get it up and running. It's a very nice suite indeed, if you can get it running. I'm using Open Webmail. A powerful webmail client based on Neomail. It uses speedycgi, and requires suid to be compiled in your perl enviroment. You probably have to recomple perl, but it's still alot easier then IMP. Jorn. IMP is what we use and if you want my notes from the last installation your welcome to them. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rene C. Mendoza Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:10 PM To: freebsd-questions Subject: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. I'm in the process of looking for a webmail frontend to my Postfix mail server setup installed on FreeBSD 5.3. I use cyrus-imap as well. What would you recommend? I've heard of Squirrel Mail and IMP, but I don't know what to choose. thanks, Rene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 09:59 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 6 at 21:41, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: Use IMP. Of course, some people pooh-pooh it saying it's hard to setup. However, IMP is one of those programs that is worth the effort, as if you install the entire suite of programs you have a very powerful front end mail system. IMP is what we use and if you want my notes from the last installation your welcome to them. Like others, I'd heard of the installation difficulties you made reference to. I'm at something of a crossroads moment right now as it relates to webmail, so this thread is well timed. I *was* gonna simply install Squirrelmail since I know it and use it elsewhere. Now perhaps is the time to look at an alternative. I'd welcome your IMP installation notes! I *gather* (not in front of a FreeBSD box at this moment) that IMP is *not* in ports, otherwise (surely) installation wouldn't be *that* complex? Configging maybe, but install-wise ports 'apps just; slide right in there - usually :-) I'm baffled by all this. IMP is easy to install and set up. It is in the ports tree, together with several other useful horde components: From /usr/ports/www/horde2/pkg-descr: Horde is used by these ports: mail/imp3, mail/turba, devel/chora, deskutils/kronolith, deskutils/nag, www/jonah, net/nic, devel/whups, and deskutils/mnemo Horde applications have an intuitive folder structure, clearly identified config files and, the dozen or so times I've had to set this up, it's always just worked first time. Peter. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Jan 7 at 09:41, Peter Risdon launched this into the bitstream: On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 09:59 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 6 at 21:41, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: Use IMP. Of course, some people pooh-pooh it saying it's hard to setup. However, IMP is one of those programs that is worth the effort, as if you install the entire suite of programs you have a very powerful front end mail system. I *gather* (not in front of a FreeBSD box at this moment) that IMP is *not* in ports, otherwise (surely) installation wouldn't be *that* complex? Configging maybe, but install-wise ports 'apps just; slide right in there - usually :-) I'm baffled by all this. IMP is easy to install and set up. It is in the ports tree, together with several other useful horde components: From /usr/ports/www/horde2/pkg-descr: Horde is used by these ports: mail/imp3, mail/turba, devel/chora, deskutils/kronolith, deskutils/nag, www/jonah, net/nic, devel/whups, and deskutils/mnemo Horde applications have an intuitive folder structure, clearly identified config files and, the dozen or so times I've had to set this up, it's always just worked first time. I think the difficulties arise where there is no application distribution mechanism such as ports. Now you mention it, I seem to recall a shedload of issues if you had to download the source and build it by hand. There were definite gotchas in that process I believe. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 11:12 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 7 at 09:41, Peter Risdon launched this into the bitstream: On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 09:59 +0100, Colin J. Raven wrote: On Jan 6 at 21:41, Ted Mittelstaedt launched this into the bitstream: Use IMP. [...] Now you mention it, I seem to recall a shedload of issues if you had to download the source and build it by hand. There were definite gotchas in that process I believe. How so? It's PHP. There's nothing to build. Peter. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
Three companies I know of use Squirrel: my work, my friend's colo, and the last ISP where I worked. They're all very fond of it, as am I. It does require IMAP, but so does IMP. At my friend's colo he also tried IMP but decided against it because installation was more complicated than Squirrel. I wasn't part of that project, so I can't say what his issues were. --- Rene C. Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the process of looking for a webmail frontend to my Postfix mail server setup installed on FreeBSD 5.3. I use cyrus-imap as well. What would you recommend? I've heard of Squirrel Mail and IMP, but I don't know what to choose. __ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
i use openwebmail i found it easer to setup then squarlmail - Original Message - From: Rene C. Mendoza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: freebsd-questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. I'm in the process of looking for a webmail frontend to my Postfix mail server setup installed on FreeBSD 5.3. I use cyrus-imap as well. What would you recommend? I've heard of Squirrel Mail and IMP, but I don't know what to choose. thanks, Rene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
Rene C. Mendoza wrote: I'm in the process of looking for a webmail frontend to my Postfix mail server setup installed on FreeBSD 5.3. I use cyrus-imap as well. What would you recommend? I've heard of Squirrel Mail and IMP, but I don't know what to choose. thanks, Rene I used IMP a few years ago, and I found it complicated to set up. I use SqWebMail now. SqWebMail may be less elegant than SquirrelMail, but SqWebMail is far more efficient. It is written in C, and accesses Maildirs locally, not through an IMAP server. If Postfix does not support Maildirs, you couldn't use SqWebMail. I have written a short tutorial on how to set up SqWebMail here (it is draft quality now): http://tabor.taborandtashell.net/serversetup/sqwebmail.html The installation is pretty straight forward (it is in ports), except the Makefile, which is a little confusing at first. -- Tabor Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tabor.taborandtashell.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes.
Use IMP. Of course, some people pooh-pooh it saying it's hard to setup. However, IMP is one of those programs that is worth the effort, as if you install the entire suite of programs you have a very powerful front end mail system. IMP is what we use and if you want my notes from the last installation your welcome to them. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rene C. Mendoza Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:10 PM To: freebsd-questions Subject: Webmail Frontend to mailboxes. I'm in the process of looking for a webmail frontend to my Postfix mail server setup installed on FreeBSD 5.3. I use cyrus-imap as well. What would you recommend? I've heard of Squirrel Mail and IMP, but I don't know what to choose. thanks, Rene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
