RE: Which Development Environment/Tools For FreeBSD + PostgreSQL Service?
It sounds like you are wanting to research Unix development tools in general not just BSD as they are fairly standard and widely available for Linux/BSD. It seems like you've selected c or c++ by the exclusion of the other languages, if you are not happy with c or c++ perhaps you should re-evaulate the other languages and really determine why you excluded them and also your needs, if you need a real time solution that will eliminate a lot of them right off the bat. I'm not sure I would characterize the extensive use of pointers as a disadvantage when used correctly they work well, regardless of the language you choose you will need to keep an eye out for dangerous utilization of language features. There is a wealth of information on writing better code using a variety of methods including code review, code guidelines, etc that are outside the scope of my message. Pretty much all the GNU development tools are available on BSD, autoconf, automake, gcc, gdb, the front ends to gdb, kdevel (KDE programming environment). I encourage you to look in /usr/ports/devel and lang. Borlands C++ BuilderX IDE is nice because it works on Window, Linux and probably on BSD through the Linux compatability layer and is able to take advantage of pretty much every tool chain available including GNU. Kdevel is also nice, there is also gvim, emacs and a wealth of other editors both commercial and open source so it really depends on the features you need and the overhead you are willing to run with. I use scons (http://www.scons.org/) for the build infrastructure instead of gmake, and then use gcc for the compiler. I use subversion or CVS for version control needs. There is also distcc and ccache that allow you to do distributed/cached builds across the network/development environment. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Which Development Environment/Tools For FreeBSD + PostgreSQL Service? Hello All, We are a company looking for a good development environment/tool(s) for a service-type application. The OS is FreeBSD and the database will be PostgreSQL. The first emphasis is placed on reliability, with secondary emphasis on performance. Third in importance would be the richness of the language/features and avoidance of plumbing code. - Is this the right place to be asking about development tools? Since this involves FreeBSD, we thought it might be appropriate. - We do not need any GUI. The programs will either run from the shell, or as services. - C/C++ comes to mind, but which flavour of compiler/debugger/third party add-ons/editor? An advantage here is the fact that this language is well established which should improve reliability to some extent (if we are careful with pointers). A disadvantage would be the extensive use of pointers, the cryptic and unreadable look of the code and the fact that C/C++ is getting a bit long in the tooth. - We are considering the Borland tools (JBuilder/Kylix) since we are familiar with Borland tools and like their database connectivity, rich components and elegant looking code (less plumbing). But on the other hand, we don't need any GUI, and we had some problems in the past with reliability. Do you have any thoughts on this? - We would prefer not to use ODBC/JDBC, and instead interface directly to the database. We had some bad experience in the past regarding reliability and performance. We can either use the library provided by Postgres or write our own wrappers to make things more readable. - We would prefer not to use an interpreted language such as Python, Java, and Perl etc for performance reasons. We know that Java can be compiled, but is it a good solution without using JDBC? How about reliability? Are there any particularly elegant solutions you have experience with? Thank you for your help. Tom ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Development Environment/Tools For FreeBSD + PostgreSQL Service?
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:52:28 +1000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Is this the right place to be asking about development tools? Since this involves FreeBSD, we thought it might be appropriate. http://www.freebsd.org/ports/index.html would be a nice start - We do not need any GUI. The programs will either run from the shell, or as services. - C/C++ comes to mind, but which flavour of compiler/debugger/third party add-ons/editor? An advantage here is the fact that this language is well established which should improve reliability to some extent (if we are careful with pointers). A disadvantage would be the extensive use of pointers, the cryptic and unreadable look of the code and the fact that C/C++ is getting a bit long in the tooth. Don't like C/C++ then create binding for what ever you want to it for another language... for editor and and the like, let your developers choose what ever they like... - We are considering the Borland tools (JBuilder/Kylix) since we are familiar with Borland tools and like their database connectivity, rich components and elegant looking code (less plumbing). But on the other hand, we don't need any GUI, and we had some problems in the past with reliability. Do you have any thoughts on this? Kylix is aimed at linux, not freebsd. As far as jbuilder is concerned, really don't see any thing that impressive it when compared to other IDEs, from it's website. - We would prefer not to use ODBC/JDBC, and instead interface directly to the database. We had some bad experience in the past regarding reliability and performance. We can either use the library provided by Postgres or write our own wrappers to make things more readable. Then do so... if the language exists in the ports or can easily be ported, I don't see any thing stopping you... - We would prefer not to use an interpreted language such as Python, Java, and Perl etc for performance reasons. We know that Java can be compiled, but is it a good solution without using JDBC? How about reliability? I personally would just go with C++ over java. Are there any particularly elegant solutions you have experience with? Thank you for your help. Can't think of any off hand, at this moment. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Which Development Environment/Tools For FreeBSD + PostgreSQL Service?
[Format recovered--see http://www.lemis.com/email/email-format.html] Single line paragraphs. On Wednesday, 29 September 2004 at 17:52:28 +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, We are a company looking for a good development environment/tool(s) for a service-type application. The OS is FreeBSD and the database will be PostgreSQL. The first emphasis is placed on reliability, with secondary emphasis on performance. Third in importance would be the richness of the language/features and avoidance of plumbing code. - Is this the right place to be asking about development tools? Yes. - C/C++ comes to mind, but which flavour of compiler/debugger/third party add-ons/editor? Until proof of the contrary (which I think would be difficult), why not stick with the tools supplied with the system? An advantage here is the fact that this language is well established which should improve reliability to some extent (if we are careful with pointers). A disadvantage would be the extensive use of pointers, the cryptic and unreadable look of the code and the fact that C/C++ is getting a bit long in the tooth. I've noted in the past that C has actually proven more robust than C++ in this matter; I don't think the age is as important as the utility of the language. I haven't seen *any* newer compiled language which works as well. - We are considering the Borland tools (JBuilder/Kylix) since we are familiar with Borland tools and like their database connectivity, rich components and elegant looking code (less plumbing). But on the other hand, we don't need any GUI, and we had some problems in the past with reliability. Do you have any thoughts on this? I don't know the tools. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't interoperate as well with the FreeBSD environment. - We would prefer not to use ODBC/JDBC, and instead interface directly to the database. We had some bad experience in the past regarding reliability and performance. We can either use the library provided by Postgres or write our own wrappers to make things more readable. A priori, my take on this is to use the tools provided (Postgres library interface, in this case) until proof of the contrary. - We would prefer not to use an interpreted language such as Python, Java, and Perl etc for performance reasons. We know that Java can be compiled, but is it a good solution without using JDBC? How about reliability? I'd stick with C. AUUG (the Australian UNIX User Group) will be doing a symposium on development techniques in Adelaide next year, probably March or April. It sounds like this would be a good thing for you to attend. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. pgpJEi7My72TI.pgp Description: PGP signature
