Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:58:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:37:25 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > It's rather untypical to check out _only_ kernel sources without > > the "top level" content. > > For the update from 8.x to 9.1 I even didn't check out the kernel source, > this is something I did much later ;). I simply followed the FreeBSD > instructions. Perhaps it were binaries, but anyway, IIRC a kernel was > compiled?!? That would require kernel sources (and some of the "top level" files). Probably only a binary kernel update has been performed because that's the purpose of freebsd-update (versus installing from source). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 15:37:25 +0100, Polytropon wrote: It's rather untypical to check out _only_ kernel sources without the "top level" content. For the update from 8.x to 9.1 I even didn't check out the kernel source, this is something I did much later ;). I simply followed the FreeBSD instructions. Perhaps it were binaries, but anyway, IIRC a kernel was compiled?!? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 10:51:21 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:36:36 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your > > > source tree). # 2. `make buildworld' > > > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > > GENERIC). # 4. `make installkernel > > > KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). # [steps > > > 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] # 5. > > > `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > > > prompt). # 6. `mergemaster -p' # 7. `make installworld' > > > # 8. `make delete-old' > > > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with > > > -U or -F). # 10. `reboot' > > > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses > > > them anymore) > > > > > > What source tree? I only checked out the kernel source using svn and > > yeah, what source tree? It seems that you do not have one. It's rather untypical to check out _only_ kernel sources without the "top level" content. The tree will probably be complete, but if it hasn't been used yet to create world (and kernel), the /usr/obj "cache" will be empty, so no "quick" re-installation for modified binaries (modified in permissions, not in context). > > # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade > > This is very much a binary upgrade. You might have a source tree for > 8.3 which is not very helpful now. Except freebsd-update also updates the src/ subtree, usually if the default "Components src world kernel" is kept. So it will probably be the corresponding RELEASE tree. > I do not know if this program is able to fix your problem. Probably not, except by a "binary update to the same version" which can be considered a re-install. > > I wanted to run it tonight, but since I don't know where my source > > tree is, I can't continue. > > I think that you simply do not have one. At least not a current one. > Read the handbook how you can get the source tree and then download and > compile it. > > I believe that all other options will end in a re-installation. If this is also to be considered for installed ports, that will probably be the easiest solution. On the other hand, if the amount of work is justified, tracking down the individual defective permissions and manually fixing them could be an option not to go that way, as it will definitely take some time. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 23:57 -0500, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 03:24:06AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 19:24 -0500, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > > > You can use mtree against the spec files in /etc/mtree/ to check for and > > > fix incorrect permissions and owners on base system files. It won't help > > > with /usr/local, but at least you can get the base straight. > > > > > > As root, from the root directory, something like this: > > > mtree -U -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist > > > > > > There are other spec files in that directory. Poke around. > > > > So mtree can't fix /usr/local and poking around without knowledge is > > asking for trouble :(. > > > > /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist is for the whole base? > > Darn. I just looked and it looks like the stock mtree files just give the > permissions of _directories_. They don't give the permissions (and owners) > of files. > > Well, one thing you can do is unpack the OS distribution somewhere else > and then use mtree to create a manifest from that. That will also give > you a single manifest instead of the multiple ones from "/etc/mtree". > That's more work than I was hoping but still less than a full reinstall. I've to search the emails, but IIRC there was an option to get the owner from a dump backup. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 10:51 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:36:36 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your > > > source tree). # 2. `make buildworld' > > > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > > GENERIC). # 4. `make installkernel > > > KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). # [steps > > > 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] # 5. > > > `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > > > prompt). # 6. `mergemaster -p' # 7. `make installworld' > > > # 8. `make delete-old' > > > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with > > > -U or -F). # 10. `reboot' > > > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses > > > them anymore) > > > > > > What source tree? I only checked out the kernel source using svn and > > yeah, what source tree? It seems that you do not have one. > > > # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade > > This is very much a binary upgrade. You might have a source tree for > 8.3 which is not very helpful now. > > I do not know if this program is able to fix your problem. > > > I wanted to run it tonight, but since I don't know where my source > > tree is, I can't continue. > > I think that you simply do not have one. At least not a current one. > Read the handbook how you can get the source tree and then download and > compile it. > > I believe that all other options will end in a re-installation. IIUC I can use mtree to fix the owner for world, I only need to find the smartest solution to fix the owner for software from the ports. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi, On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:36:36 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your > > source tree). # 2. `make buildworld' > > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > GENERIC). # 4. `make installkernel > > KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). # [steps > > 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] # 5. > > `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > > prompt). # 6. `mergemaster -p' # 7. `make installworld' > > # 8. `make delete-old' > > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with > > -U or -F). # 10. `reboot' > > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses > > them anymore) > > > What source tree? I only checked out the kernel source using svn and yeah, what source tree? It seems that you do not have one. > # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade This is very much a binary upgrade. You might have a source tree for 8.3 which is not very helpful now. I do not know if this program is able to fix your problem. > I wanted to run it tonight, but since I don't know where my source > tree is, I can't continue. I think that you simply do not have one. At least not a current one. Read the handbook how you can get the source tree and then download and compile it. I believe that all other options will end in a re-installation. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 19:24 -0500, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > You can use mtree against the spec files in /etc/mtree/ to check for and > fix incorrect permissions and owners on base system files. It won't help > with /usr/local, but at least you can get the base straight. > > As root, from the root directory, something like this: > mtree -U -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist > > There are other spec files in that directory. Poke around. So mtree can't fix /usr/local and poking around without knowledge is asking for trouble :(. /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist is for the whole base? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 01:46 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:36:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your source > > > tree). > > > # 2. `make buildworld' > > > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > > GENERIC). > > > # 4. `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > > GENERIC). > > > # [steps 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] > > > # 5. `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > > > prompt). > > > # 6. `mergemaster -p' > > > # 7. `make installworld' > > > # 8. `make delete-old' > > > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with -U or > > > -F). > > > # 10. `reboot' > > > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them > > > anymore) > > > > > > What source tree? I only checked out the kernel source using svn and > > IIRC it's using the /usr/src directory (I'm booted into Linux at the > > moment), without a subdirectory /kernel. I can delete the kernel source, > > since it's IMO fishy to have headers of another revision, than the > > kernel is, but when I asked, I got a reply, that it should be ok for > > FreeBSD. However, I never used the kernel source. > > The content of /usr/src does not only contain the kernel. It's > the whole OS, except of course you have only installed selected > parts of this tree. The file I've mentioned is at the top of > this structure: /usr/src/Makefile contains a short instruction > of how to install kernel and world (and explains other possible > targets). Before I checked out the kernel source it was empty. > > When I updated I did it like that (without subversion or cvs): > > > > # cd /usr/ports/misc/mc && make install clean > > # uname -r > > 8.3-RELEASE > > # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade > > # freebsd-update install > > # shutdown -r now > > > > # freebsd-update install > > # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade && make install clean > > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby > > # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db > > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby18-bdb > > # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db /usr/ports/INDEX-*.db > > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -af > > # freebsd-update install > > # shutdown -r now > > > > # freebsd-update IDS >> outfile.ids > > > > I wanted to run it tonight, but since I don't know where my source tree > > is, I can't continue. > > That's the binary way of updating. The kernel definitively was compiled. > If you'd update from source, > the steps would usually involve first updating /usr/src (by > whatever means, CVS no more, SVN or as part of a binary update > that also keeps the OS sources current). To take this approach, > the sources have to be complete. You can follow a -STABLE and > even -CURRENT (-HEAD) branch if you like. > > My suggestion would have been: If you have already used this > method before, and maybe if your current system has been installed > that way, you can "do it again"; if /usr/obj (the "result tree" > for building world and kernel) is still present, only the > "make installworld" steps would have been involved; even better, > if you only have to deal with a few system components, a selective > "make install" would have been sufficient. > > However, it has already been suggested to utilize mtree, because > a real re-installation isn't actually needed (as no files have > been changed, only their permissions, and that can be checked > and corrected using the /etc/mtree reference files). # umount # mtree -U -f /etc/mtree ? Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > If you only will have to handle a few ports, using the "bare > > ports method" (make) is probably the easiest way (in case > > everything else stays definitely consistent). What could become inconsistent without upgrading or downgrading? I didn't update again, I e.g. kept the Chromium version with the security risk, since, as you explained, there's no way to really control dependency issues, when installing security updates. If there should be a valid method I understand, to find out what ports have wrong permissions, it would be nice, but I don't understand what to do, the output I already have is hardly comprehensible and understandable. :) Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:38:38 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:15:09 +0100 > > "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > > Is there a command to deinstall and reinstall all ports or an idea > > > for a script to do it? > > > > > Check portupgrade or one of other utilities to handle ports. There is > > one option to force an upgrade even if it would be a downgrade. > > With tools like portmaster, this task can easily be automated. > If you only will have to handle a few ports, using the "bare > ports method" (make) is probably the easiest way (in case > everything else stays definitely consistent). *?* This is how I updated my ports, after I updated FreeBSD: root@freebsd:/root # portmaster --list-origins > ~/installed-port-list root@freebsd:/root # portsnap fetch update root@freebsd:/root # portmaster -ty --clean-distfiles root@freebsd:/root # portmaster --check-port-dbdir delete? always y root@freebsd:/root # portmaster -Faf root@freebsd:/root # pkg_delete -a root@freebsd:/root # rm -rf /usr/local/lib/compat/pkg No backup of files in /usr/local, such as configuration files in /usr/local/etc needed. root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /usr/local/bin total 0 root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /usr/local/sbin total 0 root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /usr/local/lib total 12 drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512B Jan 18 16:17 X11 -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 2.2k Jan 14 19:30 charset.alias drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 3.0k Jan 18 16:19 compat drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 1.0k Jan 18 16:10 dssi root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /usr/local/lib/dssi total 0 root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /usr/local/lib/compat total 0 root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /usr/local/lib/X11 total 4 drwxr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512B Jan 18 16:14 app-defaults drwxr-xr-x 4 root wheel 512B Jan 18 16:14 fonts root@freebsd:/root # ls -hAl /var/db/pkg total 9424 -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 9.2M Dec 23 22:42 pkgdb.db root@freebsd:/root # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster && make deinstall install clean root@freebsd:/usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portmaster # portmaster `cat ~/installed-port-list` I still had to manually answer yes a million times, when I was asked if something should be deleted or not. I stopped by Ctrl + C, add --no-confirm to the command and run it again. I guess I need to add --force-config -G -y -no-confirm ? Compiling > 400, from > 800 packages needed > 2 day. How do I reinstall all ports [1]? Is recompiling everything needed? Isn't it possible to reinstall everything? Isn't there a cache with all the binaries? Resp. the binaries are already installed ;) and could be copied to a cache, tmp. [1] *?* http://howtounix.info/man/FreeBSD/man8/portmaster.8 *?* Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
PS: On Mon, 2013-01-28 at 01:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > # cd /usr/ports/misc/mc && make install clean > # uname -r > 8.3-RELEASE > # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade > # freebsd-update install > # shutdown -r now > > # freebsd-update install > # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade && make install clean > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby > # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby18-bdb > # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db /usr/ports/INDEX-*.db > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -af > # freebsd-update install > # shutdown -r now > > # freebsd-update IDS >> outfile.ids And I didn't, still don't understand how to set the BATCH-variable to yes, so it didn't run automatically. # setenv BASH yes Is this correct? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Mon, 28 Jan 2013 01:36:36 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your source > > tree). > > # 2. `make buildworld' > > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > GENERIC). > > # 4. `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > > GENERIC). > > # [steps 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] > > # 5. `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > > prompt). > > # 6. `mergemaster -p' > > # 7. `make installworld' > > # 8. `make delete-old' > > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with -U or > > -F). > > # 10. `reboot' > > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them > > anymore) > > > What source tree? I only checked out the kernel source using svn and > IIRC it's using the /usr/src directory (I'm booted into Linux at the > moment), without a subdirectory /kernel. I can delete the kernel source, > since it's IMO fishy to have headers of another revision, than the > kernel is, but when I asked, I got a reply, that it should be ok for > FreeBSD. However, I never used the kernel source. The content of /usr/src does not only contain the kernel. It's the whole OS, except of course you have only installed selected parts of this tree. The file I've mentioned is at the top of this structure: /usr/src/Makefile contains a short instruction of how to install kernel and world (and explains other possible targets). > When I updated I did it like that (without subversion or cvs): > > # cd /usr/ports/misc/mc && make install clean > # uname -r > 8.3-RELEASE > # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade > # freebsd-update install > # shutdown -r now > > # freebsd-update install > # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade && make install clean > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby > # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby18-bdb > # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db /usr/ports/INDEX-*.db > # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -af > # freebsd-update install > # shutdown -r now > > # freebsd-update IDS >> outfile.ids > > I wanted to run it tonight, but since I don't know where my source tree > is, I can't continue. That's the binary way of updating. If you'd update from source, the steps would usually involve first updating /usr/src (by whatever means, CVS no more, SVN or as part of a binary update that also keeps the OS sources current). To take this approach, the sources have to be complete. You can follow a -STABLE and even -CURRENT (-HEAD) branch if you like. My suggestion would have been: If you have already used this method before, and maybe if your current system has been installed that way, you can "do it again"; if /usr/obj (the "result tree" for building world and kernel) is still present, only the "make installworld" steps would have been involved; even better, if you only have to deal with a few system components, a selective "make install" would have been sufficient. However, it has already been suggested to utilize mtree, because a real re-installation isn't actually needed (as no files have been changed, only their permissions, and that can be checked and corrected using the /etc/mtree reference files). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sun, 2013-01-27 at 13:58 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your source tree). > # 2. `make buildworld' > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). > # 4. `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). > # [steps 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] > # 5. `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader prompt). > # 6. `mergemaster -p' > # 7. `make installworld' > # 8. `make delete-old' > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with -U or -F). > # 10. `reboot' > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them anymore) What source tree? I only checked out the kernel source using svn and IIRC it's using the /usr/src directory (I'm booted into Linux at the moment), without a subdirectory /kernel. I can delete the kernel source, since it's IMO fishy to have headers of another revision, than the kernel is, but when I asked, I got a reply, that it should be ok for FreeBSD. However, I never used the kernel source. When I updated I did it like that (without subversion or cvs): # cd /usr/ports/misc/mc && make install clean # uname -r 8.3-RELEASE # freebsd-update -r 9.1-RELEASE upgrade # freebsd-update install # shutdown -r now # freebsd-update install # cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade && make install clean # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -f ruby18-bdb # rm /var/db/pkg/pkgdb.db /usr/ports/INDEX-*.db # /usr/local/sbin/portupgrade -af # freebsd-update install # shutdown -r now # freebsd-update IDS >> outfile.ids I wanted to run it tonight, but since I don't know where my source tree is, I can't continue. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:28:47 +0100, Erich Dollansky wrote: I think that installing it in multi-user mode without other users having things running, will work in 99.% of the cases. In his special case, it will work 100% as only the permissions should et changed. I think so, but I asked, because world might be a more serious issue, than Opera and Jack are. Btw. I even run a complete port upgarde during a X session. I didn't launch apps or did hard work, but kept Opera open. Reading mails become impossible, but writing mails and using the browser was possible all the time. Today I take a rest ;). Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi, On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 13:58:06 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:38:38 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:15:09 +0100 > > "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > > > > Good morning, > > > > ood morning? The sun is settling soon! > > The sun of the planet of the ood? > Or the former Sun of one of the microsystems? :-) > both Suns are gone now. Only one will return tomorrow morning. > > > > > if I run 'make deinstall reinstall' for a port, it doesn't ask a > > > single question, at least not for dbus. > > > > > > # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 377744 Jan 18 22:44 > > > /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > > > > > # cd /usr/ports/devel/dbus ; make deinstall reinstall > > > > > > # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 377744 Jan 27 > > > 08:55 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > > > > > Is there a command to deinstall and reinstall all ports or an idea > > > for a script to do it? > > > > > Check portupgrade or one of other utilities to handle ports. There > > is one option to force an upgrade even if it would be a downgrade. > > With tools like portmaster, this task can easily be automated. > If you only will have to handle a few ports, using the "bare > ports method" (make) is probably the easiest way (in case > everything else stays definitely consistent). > I would say that - especially in his case - he will get a working system as he does not want to upgrade a single port. > > > > > Do I have to reboot into single user mode and then to run "make > > > installworld" only to reinstall world? > > > > No, you just run it as root. It should work afterword except for > > currently running programs. > > The comment header of /usr/src/Makefile suggests installing the > world in single user mode (steps 5 - 11). > I think that installing it in multi-user mode without other users having things running, will work in 99.% of the cases. In his special case, it will work 100% as only the permissions should et changed. > # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your > source tree). # 2. `make buildworld' > # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is > GENERIC). # 4. `make installkernel > KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). # [steps 3. > & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] # 5. > `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader > prompt). # 6. `mergemaster -p' # 7. `make installworld' > # 8. `make delete-old' > # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with > -U or -F). # 10. `reboot' > # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them > anymore) > > This should be the safest method. > > Isn't it the overkill in his situation? Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 15:38:38 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:15:09 +0100 > "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > > > Good morning, > > ood morning? The sun is settling soon! The sun of the planet of the ood? Or the former Sun of one of the microsystems? :-) > > if I run 'make deinstall reinstall' for a port, it doesn't ask a > > single question, at least not for dbus. > > > > # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 377744 Jan 18 22:44 > > /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > > > # cd /usr/ports/devel/dbus ; make deinstall reinstall > > > > # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 377744 Jan 27 > > 08:55 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > > > Is there a command to deinstall and reinstall all ports or an idea > > for a script to do it? > > > Check portupgrade or one of other utilities to handle ports. There is > one option to force an upgrade even if it would be a downgrade. With tools like portmaster, this task can easily be automated. If you only will have to handle a few ports, using the "bare ports method" (make) is probably the easiest way (in case everything else stays definitely consistent). > > Do I have to reboot into single user mode and then to run "make > > installworld" only to reinstall world? > > No, you just run it as root. It should work afterword except for > currently running programs. The comment header of /usr/src/Makefile suggests installing the world in single user mode (steps 5 - 11). # 1. `cd /usr/src' (or to the directory containing your source tree). # 2. `make buildworld' # 3. `make buildkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). # 4. `make installkernel KERNCONF=YOUR_KERNEL_HERE' (default is GENERIC). # [steps 3. & 4. can be combined by using the "kernel" target] # 5. `reboot'(in single user mode: boot -s from the loader prompt). # 6. `mergemaster -p' # 7. `make installworld' # 8. `make delete-old' # 9. `mergemaster'(you may wish to use -i, along with -U or -F). # 10. `reboot' # 11. `make delete-old-libs' (in case no 3rd party program uses them anymore) This should be the safest method. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi, On Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:15:09 +0100 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > Good morning, ood morning? The sun is settling soon! > > if I run 'make deinstall reinstall' for a port, it doesn't ask a > single question, at least not for dbus. > > # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 377744 Jan 18 22:44 > /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > # cd /usr/ports/devel/dbus ; make deinstall reinstall > > # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 377744 Jan 27 > 08:55 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon > > Is there a command to deinstall and reinstall all ports or an idea > for a script to do it? > Check portupgrade or one of other utilities to handle ports. There is one option to force an upgrade even if it would be a downgrade. > Do I have to reboot into single user mode and then to run "make > installworld" only to reinstall world? No, you just run it as root. It should work afterword except for currently running programs. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Good morning, if I run 'make deinstall reinstall' for a port, it doesn't ask a single question, at least not for dbus. # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 377744 Jan 18 22:44 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon # cd /usr/ports/devel/dbus ; make deinstall reinstall # ls -l /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon -r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 377744 Jan 27 08:55 /usr/local/bin/dbus-daemon Is there a command to deinstall and reinstall all ports or an idea for a script to do it? Do I have to reboot into single user mode and then to run "make installworld" only to reinstall world? Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:11:37 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 08:49 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:22:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:51:55 +0100, Joshua Isom wrote: > > > > Sorry if my original command ended up breaking your system > > > > > > Don't worry, I run dump to backup it, but I'll try to fix it without > > > restoring it from the backup. > > > > Maybe you can read the original owners from that backup and > > just _change them_ accordingly? As the files haven't been > > altered, there would be no need to rewrite them entirely. > > I used dump and can't find how to extract something from the dump files. > If I would restore from a dump I would lose something, since the dump is > some days old and I worked on my FreeBSD. Maybe something along "restore -t" is possible, as you only would want to extract owner information and nothing more. That information could be used to chown the files which need that change. > If it would be possible to write a script that does rebuild everything, > with the same configs and _without the need of user interaction_ I would > rebuild and if needed update (at least Chromium) everything. But last > time there were still yes/no (should I delete this file) questions all > the times. Maybe you can do a separate check for /usr/local (installed ports) and "everything else" (and both excluding /home). The one is cured by the "mtree magic" (or "make installworld" in worst case), the other by reinstalling ports that need it (or, if only few files are affected, to check the "install" directives in the Makefile and do it manually). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 10:01:18 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 08:48 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:15:28 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: > > > As for the listings in /usr/local > > > they'll need fixed. On my system, almost everything's owned by root. > > > > There are a few exceptions when files are owned by a daemon. > > As I said, re-installing those parts (or even world) should > > fix this, but maybe it's possible to apply some "mtree magic" > > to fix the owner to the proper one (root in most cases). > > Rebuilding world only shouldn't take that long. If you still have the /usr/obj subtree where you installed world from last time, you only need to "make installworld" (as explained in /usr/src/Makefile's comment header). There has also been a very good advice on how to use mtree to do this (as the files don't need re-installation per se, because they haven't changed). > > > The man directories are owned by man, and > > > /usr/local/libexec/polkit-set-default-helper is set as polkit:polkit. > > > > That's a good example for the non-root exceptions; there might > > be others. > > There are others on my system, so I can't simply run chown -R :(. That's correct. If you can spot those "irregularities" in /usr/local, it seems to be the safest way to re-install the ports those files belong to. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 08:49 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:22:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:51:55 +0100, Joshua Isom wrote: > > > Sorry if my original command ended up breaking your system > > > > Don't worry, I run dump to backup it, but I'll try to fix it without > > restoring it from the backup. > > Maybe you can read the original owners from that backup and > just _change them_ accordingly? As the files haven't been > altered, there would be no need to rewrite them entirely. I used dump and can't find how to extract something from the dump files. If I would restore from a dump I would lose something, since the dump is some days old and I worked on my FreeBSD. If it would be possible to write a script that does rebuild everything, with the same configs and _without the need of user interaction_ I would rebuild and if needed update (at least Chromium) everything. But last time there were still yes/no (should I delete this file) questions all the times. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Sat, 2013-01-26 at 08:48 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:15:28 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: > > Ignore /proc, unmount it even. You don't need it on FreeBSD and > > shouldn't expect it to be there. > > As far as I know, Gnome (or at least GDM) _requires_ it to > be able to show the available user names. I have no idea > why. :-) IIUC not GDM does need it, but GNOME. > > As for the listings in /usr/local > > they'll need fixed. On my system, almost everything's owned by root. > > There are a few exceptions when files are owned by a daemon. > As I said, re-installing those parts (or even world) should > fix this, but maybe it's possible to apply some "mtree magic" > to fix the owner to the proper one (root in most cases). Rebuilding world only shouldn't take that long. > > The man directories are owned by man, and > > /usr/local/libexec/polkit-set-default-helper is set as polkit:polkit. > > That's a good example for the non-root exceptions; there might > be others. There are others on my system, so I can't simply run chown -R :(. Regards, Ralf PS: At the moment I'm booted into Linux, I'll take a look at all the hints later today. Thank you all. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:15:28 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: > Ignore /proc, unmount it even. You don't need it on FreeBSD and > shouldn't expect it to be there. As far as I know, Gnome (or at least GDM) _requires_ it to be able to show the available user names. I have no idea why. :-) > As for the listings in /usr/local > they'll need fixed. On my system, almost everything's owned by root. There are a few exceptions when files are owned by a daemon. As I said, re-installing those parts (or even world) should fix this, but maybe it's possible to apply some "mtree magic" to fix the owner to the proper one (root in most cases). > The man directories are owned by man, and > /usr/local/libexec/polkit-set-default-helper is set as polkit:polkit. That's a good example for the non-root exceptions; there might be others. > There's a difference between lib directories and libexec directories. > Libraries are stored in lib and programs you're not expected to invoke > yourself are stored in libexec. Correct. That's why my printer filters are in /opt/libexec. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 23:22:29 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:51:55 +0100, Joshua Isom wrote: > > Sorry if my original command ended up breaking your system > > Don't worry, I run dump to backup it, but I'll try to fix it without > restoring it from the backup. Maybe you can read the original owners from that backup and just _change them_ accordingly? As the files haven't been altered, there would be no need to rewrite them entirely. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:51:55 +0100, Joshua Isom wrote: Sorry if my original command ended up breaking your system Don't worry, I run dump to backup it, but I'll try to fix it without restoring it from the backup. -- Technology doesn't necessarily make you smarter http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/d-community-offtopic/2013-January/000172.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On 1/25/2013 3:25 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: It still does list directories in /home :(. This file definitively only is in /home: $ grep find_ find_1000.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root rocketmouse 81920 Jan 25 20:52 find_1000.txt $ ls -ld find_1000.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root rocketmouse 513434 Jan 25 21:14 find_1000.txt Others seemingly are from home too, e.g. [1]. Apart from that there are files in /lib and /usr with a wrong owner I missed before :(. I don't have the leisure to check the whole output right now. I'm just curious, so I had a brief look [1]. Regards, Ralf Ignore /proc, unmount it even. You don't need it on FreeBSD and shouldn't expect it to be there. As for the listings in /usr/local they'll need fixed. On my system, almost everything's owned by root. The man directories are owned by man, and /usr/local/libexec/polkit-set-default-helper is set as polkit:polkit. There's a difference between lib directories and libexec directories. Libraries are stored in lib and programs you're not expected to invoke yourself are stored in libexec. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On 1/25/2013 9:12 AM, Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:26:23 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:04:14 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
% ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
It's better I umount at least Arch Linux.
True. :-)
There anyway is an issue, it doesn't show the pass, I checked this with
$ ls -lR /home/ | grep -v "/home"
after running
$ ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
IOW I get tons of files, but don't know to which directory they belong.
Sorry, that was something I didn't take into mind, you're right.
Maybe this command is more efficient:
# find / -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
It may be a good idea to send the output into a temporary file
and check it when the command has finished. As I said, you will
probably see some "false positives", but look for anything
strange in /usr.
Since there was a comment about cats, you can also use this.
find / -not \( -name home -prune \) -uid 1000 -or -gid 1000 -ls
Sorry if my original command ended up breaking your system, but at least
you're getting to learn how to fix problems without just wiping and
starting over from scratch. I once was in /tmp and ran "rm -rf .*" to
delete all hidden directories in /tmp. I realized a problem when it
tried to delete files in /usr that aren't deletable without changing
permissions. I was able to recover and reinstall from /usr/src. The rm
had wiped out /boot.
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
It still does list directories in /home :(. This file definitively only is in /home: $ grep find_ find_1000.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root rocketmouse 81920 Jan 25 20:52 find_1000.txt $ ls -ld find_1000.txt -rw-r--r-- 1 root rocketmouse 513434 Jan 25 21:14 find_1000.txt Others seemingly are from home too, e.g. [1]. Apart from that there are files in /lib and /usr with a wrong owner I missed before :(. I don't have the leisure to check the whole output right now. I'm just curious, so I had a brief look [1]. Regards, Ralf [1] $ ls -ld /home/rocketmouse/.gnome2 drwx-- 7 rocketmouse rocketmouse 512 Jan 24 18:14 /home/rocketmouse/.gnome2 $ ls -ld /root/.gnome2 drwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 512 Jan 25 00:01 /root/.gnome2 $ grep "gnome2" find_1000.txt drwx-- 7 rocketmouse rocketmouse 512 Jan 24 18:14 .gnome2 drwx-- 2 rocketmouse rocketmouse 512 Jan 12 02:56 .gnome2_private $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ grep lib find_1000.txt -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 71008 Jan 20 02:12 /usr/local/lib/xfce4/xfconf/xfconfd -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 25672 Jan 20 02:21 /usr/local/lib/xfce4/panel/wrapper -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 74600 Jan 18 22:04 /usr/local/libexec/gam_server -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 66536 Jan 18 22:51 /usr/local/libexec/gconfd-2 -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 141384 Jan 18 23:55 /usr/local/libexec/gvfsd -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 157000 Jan 18 23:55 /usr/local/libexec/gvfsd-trash -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 100032 Jan 18 23:55 /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 70992 Jan 18 23:55 /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 66960 Jan 19 15:36 /usr/local/libexec/evolution/2.32/evolution-alarm-notify -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 92080 Jan 19 19:09 /usr/local/libexec/gdm-session-worker -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 67672 Jan 20 02:36 /usr/local/libexec/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin -r-sr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 13864 Jan 20 02:34 /usr/local/libexec/gnome-pty-helper -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 276 Jan 13 22:58 http%3A%2F%2Fapps.linuxaudio.org%2Flib%2Ftpl%2Flau2%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.png -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 447 Jan 19 20:07 http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.bash-hackers.org%2Flib%2Ftpl%2Farctic%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.png -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 700 Jan 15 09:39 http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.bsdforen.de%2Flib%2Ftpl%2Fmonobook%2Fuser%2Ffavicon.png -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 276 Jan 14 01:43 http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.linuxaudio.org%2Flib%2Ftpl%2Flau2%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.png -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 447 Jan 22 22:34 http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.linuxmusicians.com%2Flib%2Ftpl%2Fdefault%2Fimages%2Ffavicon.png -rw-r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 147 Jan 13 15:38 http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freebsdsoftware.org%2Fwp-content%2Fthemes%2Fthesis%2Flib%2Fimages%2Ficon-swatch.png lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/gnome-pty-helper lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/8448/file -> /usr/local/libexec/gnome-pty-helper lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfsd-metadata lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/3053/file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfsd-metadata lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/lib/opera/opera lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2282/file -> /usr/local/lib/opera/opera lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfsd-trash lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2265/file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfsd-trash lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/gconfd-2 lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2175/file -> /usr/local/libexec/gconfd-2 lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2173/file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2171/file -> /usr/local/libexec/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/libexec/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2166/file -> /usr/local/libexec/xfce4/panel-plugins/xfce4-xkb-plugin lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/lib/xfce4/panel/wrapper lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 /proc/2165/file -> /usr/local/lib/xfce4/panel/wrapper lr--r--r-- 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 0 Jan 25 21:14 file -> /usr/local/lib/xfce4/panel/wrapper lr--r-
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:41:24 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:12:15 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > find / -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
>
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 32736 Dec 23 18:38 ssh-agent
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 32736 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/ssh-agent
> ^C
Definitely to be changed.
> A lot of stuff from /tmp is shown without a path, however
That will probably be the "false-positives" I mentioned.
> root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # ls -l /usr/bin/ssh-agent
> -r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 32736 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/ssh-agent
>
> but without write permission.
The permissions haven't change (they're correct), just the
owner is wrong.
For comparison:
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 23428 2011-08-21 20:24:03 /usr/bin/ssh-agent*
The program is installed without the w attribute by default.
> I now run
>
> root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # find / -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v
> "/home" | grep "rocketmouse" > find_1000.txt
>
> and will take a look at it tomorrow.
That will be an interesting read. :-)
--
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:12:15 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
find / -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
-r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 32736 Dec 23 18:38 ssh-agent
-r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 32736 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/ssh-agent
^C
A lot of stuff from /tmp is shown without a path, however
root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # ls -l /usr/bin/ssh-agent
-r-xr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 32736 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/ssh-agent
but without write permission.
I now run
root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # find / -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v
"/home" | grep "rocketmouse" > find_1000.txt
and will take a look at it tomorrow.
Thank you :).
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:26:23 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:04:14 +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > % ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
>
> It's better I umount at least Arch Linux.
True. :-)
> There anyway is an issue, it doesn't show the pass, I checked this with
>
> $ ls -lR /home/ | grep -v "/home"
>
> after running
>
> $ ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
>
> IOW I get tons of files, but don't know to which directory they belong.
Sorry, that was something I didn't take into mind, you're right.
Maybe this command is more efficient:
# find / -exec ls -l {} \; | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse"
It may be a good idea to send the output into a temporary file
and check it when the command has finished. As I said, you will
probably see some "false positives", but look for anything
strange in /usr.
> >> PPPoE was enabled automagically :).
> >
> > You probably have the required magic in /etc/rc.conf. :-)
>
> Yes, but it wasn't started, when the owner for /usr/bin/su wasn't root.
That was to be expected. :-)
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:32:38 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> PS:
>
> I guess the output is different for user and root and it does remove the
> path, but anyway display also contend of /home.
Yes, access permissions matter a lot, so the command should be
run as root.
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
PS: On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:26:23 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: There anyway is an issue, it doesn't show the pass, I checked this with $ ls -lR /home/ | grep -v "/home" after running $ ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse" IOW I get tons of files, but don't know to which directory they belong. I guess the output is different for user and root and it does remove the path, but anyway display also contend of /home. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:04:14 +0100, Polytropon wrote: % ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse" It's better I umount at least Arch Linux. # cat /etc/fstab # DeviceMountpoint FStype Options Dump Pass /dev/ad4s1b noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/ad4s1a / ufs rw 1 1 /dev/ad4s1e /tmpufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1f /usrufs rw 2 2 /dev/ad4s1d /varufs rw 2 2 /dev/acd0 /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 proc/proc procfs rw 0 0 /dev/ada0s8 /mnt/dump ext2fs rw 0 0 /dev/ada0s9 /mnt/archlinux ext2fs rw 0 0 # umount /dev/ada0s8 # umount /dev/ada0s9 There anyway is an issue, it doesn't show the pass, I checked this with $ ls -lR /home/ | grep -v "/home" after running $ ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse" IOW I get tons of files, but don't know to which directory they belong. PPPoE was enabled automagically :). You probably have the required magic in /etc/rc.conf. :-) Yes, but it wasn't started, when the owner for /usr/bin/su wasn't root. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:48:19 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:33:46 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > >> $ ls -l `which su` > >> -r-sr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su > > > > Erm... that looks horribly wrong. > > > > The permissions indicate that setuid is set, but the file > > owner is wrong. For comparison: > > > > -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14604 2011-08-21 20:24:28 /usr/bin/su* > > > > This program has to belong to root. It seems that your > > attempt to reflect UID changes in the file permissions > > exceeded the scope of this task: Programs of the OS > > seem to be affected, which is definitely not good. > > IMO setuid alone already is a security risk. The su program is part of the operating system, so it can safely be considered safe. :-) > >> $ ls -l /home/ | grep rocketmouse > >> drwxr-xr-x 28 rocketmouse rocketmouse 1536 Jan 25 12:17 > >> rocketmouse > > > > You can use ls -ld to omit the grep step. :-) > > $ ls -ld /home/rocketmouse > drwxr-xr-x 28 rocketmouse rocketmouse 1536 Jan 25 13:19 > /home/rocketmouse > > :) > > I was sure that using grep is stupid and should have done a 'man ls', > since 'help' wasn't helpful. That's why "man ls" exists. :-) > This issue and 'cat | grep' instead of grep > only are common mistakes by many Linux users. This reminds me to "useless use of 'cat'" which is often used because it constructs a convenient and easy to read "chain" of commands, but can often be avoided, especially when files can be redirected from. > > Do you have other files in /usr or even /usr/local that do > > belong to rocketmouse (uid == 1000 or 1001) now? That should > > not have happened... > > /usr/binis ok > /usr/includeis ok > /usr/include/* seem to be ok, I just checked some > folders > /usr/lib and /usr/lib/* are ok > /usr/libdata and /usr/libdata/* are ok > /usr/libexec and /usr/libexec/*/* are ok > /usr/ports is ok > /usr/ports/*seem to be ok, I just checked some > folders > /usr/sbin is ok > /usr/share is ok > /usr/share/*seem to be ok, I just checked some > folders > /usr/srcis ok > /usr/src/*/*seem to be ok, I just checked some > folders > > /usr/local is ok > /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/bin/* are ok > /usr/local/bootstrap* and [...]/* are ok > /usr/local/etc is ok > /usr/local/etc/*seem to be ok, at least PolicyKit and > ConsoleKit are > /usr/local/include is ok > [snip] > > All /usr/local/* are ok and all /usr/local/*/* seem to be ok. > Other directories in /usr and /usr/local are empty. You can do something like this: % ls -lR / | grep -v "/home" | grep "rocketmouse" This will probably show some "false-positives" in /tmp and maybe in /var, but should show nothing in /usr directly (or in other top level system directories). > OT: /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib32/* belong to the empty folders in /usr. Allow me a polite note regarding terminology: There are no folders. Those are called directories. This is the valid technical term. A "folder" is the name of a typical GUI representation element _for_ a directory. Relations: "is a" vs. "represents a" or "looks like a". I know it's common to call directories "folders", but this is as wrong as calling a device driver "Bob". ;-) > So > FreeBSD is multi arch capable? > (since there's /usr/ports/astro/google-earth for amd64, I suspect it is) The system shares some stuff across architectures, and it's possible to run 32 bit applications on a 64 bit system, so specific "fixed bit width libraries" are provided. This is reflected in naming conventions. Even though the installer might create those directories in advance, it's possible that they only receive content under specific circumstances. Ports do usually work on both systems. Those that do _not_ have a checking mechanism in their Makefile that indicates on which platform they don't build, or if they are designed for one specific platform only. > > Some programs check by whom they are called or who they > > belong to; if that's != root when it is _supposed_ to > > be root, that can cause problems, especially when it's > > not a simple x (execute), but s (setuid) program like > > an X display manager. > > So I guess I only need to correct the owner for /usr/bin/su. If that's the only occurance, it should be sufficient. > $ ls -l /usr/bin/su > -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su > > I wonder if setting suid is needed, while the kit family is installed. For > sure it's possible to add a rool to some kit config. The su program is part of the OS, while things like PolicyKit are additional software. It sounds doubleplusungood
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Thank you all :) everything is ok now. I don't mark the thread as solved, since I still didn't set up Evolution. On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:33:46 +0100, Polytropon wrote: $ ls -l `which su` -r-sr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su Erm... that looks horribly wrong. The permissions indicate that setuid is set, but the file owner is wrong. For comparison: -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14604 2011-08-21 20:24:28 /usr/bin/su* This program has to belong to root. It seems that your attempt to reflect UID changes in the file permissions exceeded the scope of this task: Programs of the OS seem to be affected, which is definitely not good. IMO setuid alone already is a security risk. $ ls -l /home/ | grep rocketmouse drwxr-xr-x 28 rocketmouse rocketmouse 1536 Jan 25 12:17 rocketmouse You can use ls -ld to omit the grep step. :-) $ ls -ld /home/rocketmouse drwxr-xr-x 28 rocketmouse rocketmouse 1536 Jan 25 13:19 /home/rocketmouse :) I was sure that using grep is stupid and should have done a 'man ls', since 'help' wasn't helpful. This issue and 'cat | grep' instead of grep only are common mistakes by many Linux users. Thank you for the hint. I think you can now spot a possible mistake for the file owner change I mentioned above: Only files inside /home should have been in the initial scope, but somehow -uid 1001 has been avaluated true for /usr/bin/su, even though I cannot imagine what should have caused this. In this case /home and /mnt/*, but I understand what you mean. Do you have other files in /usr or even /usr/local that do belong to rocketmouse (uid == 1000 or 1001) now? That should not have happened... /usr/binis ok /usr/includeis ok /usr/include/* seem to be ok, I just checked some folders /usr/lib and /usr/lib/* are ok /usr/libdata and /usr/libdata/* are ok /usr/libexec and /usr/libexec/*/* are ok /usr/ports is ok /usr/ports/*seem to be ok, I just checked some folders /usr/sbin is ok /usr/share is ok /usr/share/*seem to be ok, I just checked some folders /usr/srcis ok /usr/src/*/*seem to be ok, I just checked some folders /usr/local is ok /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/bin/* are ok /usr/local/bootstrap* and [...]/* are ok /usr/local/etc is ok /usr/local/etc/*seem to be ok, at least PolicyKit and ConsoleKit are /usr/local/include is ok [snip] All /usr/local/* are ok and all /usr/local/*/* seem to be ok. Other directories in /usr and /usr/local are empty. OT: /usr/lib32 and /usr/lib32/* belong to the empty folders in /usr. So FreeBSD is multi arch capable? (since there's /usr/ports/astro/google-earth for amd64, I suspect it is) Some programs check by whom they are called or who they belong to; if that's != root when it is _supposed_ to be root, that can cause problems, especially when it's not a simple x (execute), but s (setuid) program like an X display manager. So I guess I only need to correct the owner for /usr/bin/su. $ ls -l /usr/bin/su -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su I wonder if setting suid is needed, while the kit family is installed. For sure it's possible to add a rool to some kit config. Restart PPPoE was enabled automagically :). $ su Password: You have mail. root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # :) Ctrl + Alt + F* will switch to ttyv* and su does work too. :) So the switch to uid 1000 seem to be complete now, without any gaps. On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:57:13 +0100, Erich Dollansky wrote: Do not worry. This is the main advantage of FreeBSD over many other operating systems. The chances are very, verhy high that you will find help when needed. For Linux it depends to the mailing list. it depends not only to the traffic and kind of list, but also to the kind of people who are subscribed. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi Ralf, On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:39:07 +0100 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:25:07 +0100, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > What happens on a normal TTY? > > > >> Ctrl + Alt + F2 > > > > > So, you can switch to them. Can you try a su here? > > Ctrl + Alt + F* will open a ttyv* > > I can log in as root, but if I log in as user, I can't run su > successfully. It all seems that Polytropon's idea is right. The owner of all system files must be root. Try to set this back. > > > Der Wald und die Baeume ... > > Quite possibly that I miss the forest for the trees ;). > Yeah, the old problem if IT. > Regards, > Ralf > > PS: Btw. thank you all for your patience and effort. Do not worry. This is the main advantage of FreeBSD over many other operating systems. The chances are very, verhy high that you will find help when needed. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:39:07 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi Erich :) > > On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:25:07 +0100, Erich Dollansky > wrote: > > What happens on a normal TTY? > > > >> Ctrl + Alt + F2 > > > > > So, you can switch to them. Can you try a su here? > > Ctrl + Alt + F* will open a ttyv* > > I can log in as root, but if I log in as user, I can't run su successfully. Because as you quoted, the su binary doesn't have the UID 0, this means it's not owned by root anymore which may have bad influence on its runtime behaviour. :-) You have: -r-sr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su You should have: -r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14604 2011-08-21 20:24:28 /usr/bin/su* As I mentioned in my previous message, somehow the UID change had some strange side effects. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi Erich :) On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:25:07 +0100, Erich Dollansky wrote: What happens on a normal TTY? Ctrl + Alt + F2 > So, you can switch to them. Can you try a su here? Ctrl + Alt + F* will open a ttyv* I can log in as root, but if I log in as user, I can't run su successfully. Der Wald und die Baeume ... Quite possibly that I miss the forest for the trees ;). Regards, Ralf PS: Btw. thank you all for your patience and effort. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:05:51 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> The user can't become root using Xfce Terminal Emulator or by ttyv1 (Ctrl
> + Alt + F2). This was possible before I switched the uid.
>
> Before the switch PPPoE was enabled automatically, now I have to do it
> manually.
>
> $ su
> su: not running setuid
>
> $ ls -l `which su`
> -r-sr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su
Erm... that looks horribly wrong.
The permissions indicate that setuid is set, but the file
owner is wrong. For comparison:
-r-sr-xr-x 1 root wheel 14604 2011-08-21 20:24:28 /usr/bin/su*
This program has to belong to root. It seems that your
attempt to reflect UID changes in the file permissions
exceeded the scope of this task: Programs of the OS
seem to be affected, which is definitely not good.
> $ ls -l /home/ | grep rocketmouse
> drwxr-xr-x 28 rocketmouse rocketmouse 1536 Jan 25 12:17 rocketmouse
You can use ls -ld to omit the grep step. :-)
> $ id
> uid=1000(rocketmouse) gid=1000(rocketmouse)
> groups=1000(rocketmouse),0(wheel)
Seems to be okay.
> Ctrl + Alt + F2 >
> '# ppp -ddial alice' does work
> '# find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;' no messages
> '# find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;' no messages
> > Ctrl + Alt + F9
I think you can now spot a possible mistake for the file owner
change I mentioned above: Only files inside /home should have
been in the initial scope, but somehow -uid 1001 has been
avaluated true for /usr/bin/su, even though I cannot imagine
what should have caused this.
Do you have other files in /usr or even /usr/local that do
belong to rocketmouse (uid == 1000 or 1001) now? That should
not have happened...
> Without success I again read some important messages of this thread in the
> archive and googled regarding to the suid issue.
Some programs check by whom they are called or who they
belong to; if that's != root when it is _supposed_ to
be root, that can cause problems, especially when it's
not a simple x (execute), but s (setuid) program like
an X display manager.
> Any hints are welcome!
Check for defective permissions. In worst case, update
your system from source or binary to fix permissions.
Maybe there's also an "mtree trick" to do it.
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi,
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 13:05:51 +0100
"Ralf Mardorf" wrote:
> after running '# /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb
> -d /etc /etc/master.passwd' (FWIW there were no messages)
> I can now log in to a user X session by GDM.
>
this sounds so much better.
> The user can't become root using Xfce Terminal Emulator or by ttyv1
> (Ctrl
> + Alt + F2). This was possible before I switched the uid.
>
What happens on a normal TTY?
> Ctrl + Alt + F2 >
So, you can switch to them. Can you try a su here?
> '# ppp -ddial alice' does work
> '# find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;' no messages
> '# find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;' no messages
> > Ctrl + Alt + F9
>
> Without success I again read some important messages of this thread
> in the archive and googled regarding to the suid issue.
Der Wald und die Baeume ...
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi :)
after running '# /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -d /etc /etc/master.passwd' (FWIW
there were no messages)
I can now log in to a user X session by GDM.
The user can't become root using Xfce Terminal Emulator or by ttyv1 (Ctrl
+ Alt + F2). This was possible before I switched the uid.
Before the switch PPPoE was enabled automatically, now I have to do it
manually.
$ su
su: not running setuid
$ ls -l `which su`
-r-sr-xr-x 1 rocketmouse wheel 16880 Dec 23 18:38 /usr/bin/su
$ ls -l /home/ | grep rocketmouse
drwxr-xr-x 28 rocketmouse rocketmouse 1536 Jan 25 12:17 rocketmouse
$ ls -l /mnt | grep archlinux
drwxrwx--- 21 rocketmouse rocketmouse 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux
$ id
uid=1000(rocketmouse) gid=1000(rocketmouse)
groups=1000(rocketmouse),0(wheel)
Ctrl + Alt + F2 >
'# ppp -ddial alice' does work
'# find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;' no messages
'# find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;' no messages
Ctrl + Alt + F9
Without success I again read some important messages of this thread in the
archive and googled regarding to the suid issue.
Any hints are welcome!
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 08:32:55 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 08:03 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > > UIDs and GIDs should match here. All files belonging to rocketmouse > > should be 1000:1000 _and_ the name "rocketmouse" should be > > associated to those numerical values (see files mentioned > > above). > > Yes, but because I missed to update the database X login asked for 1001. Correct - several programs query that database instead of the plain text files. > > But pwd.db and spwd.db (the password databases with encrypted > > content) don't reflect those informations! > > So '# /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -d/etc /etc/master.passwd' is ok, regarding > to ... Yes, use that command. > > "man pwd_mkdb" and rebuild > > the databases. > > -c and -u switches could be used too, but aren't needed, since the > entries are correct. It's not needed to make things that complicated (to selectively deal with entries, for example). The simple thing of # cd /etc # pkd_mkdb /etc/master.passwd should do the trick here. > > If you would have used the "vipw" command to make the change > > to the passwd (plain text) files, it would have called pwd_mkdb > > after the change. But don't worry: Knowing those "low level hacks" > > can be helpful in some worst-case scenario. :-) > > And then I don't need to use vi, if the default text editor still should > be vi. The $EDITOR variable will be honored, and as long as the program is available (and the terminal capabilities apply), it will work as expected. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 07:51:30 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Thank you Kevin, thank you Erich, > > On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 21:10 -0500, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > > The correct way to edit the password file is with the "vipw" > > command. When you are done with your changes it rewrites the password > > file AND rebuilds the password database. > > > > I'm guessing you have a stale password database now. Use 'vipw' to > > make a trivial change and then save and exit out. > > Ok, I used mcedit to make the changes before and will try vipw now, > resp. ... That won't make any difference. :-) If your $EDITOR points to mcedit, _that_ editor will be used; afterwards pwd_mkdb will be called and the binary database files will be updated - and your changes will be fine. > On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 10:06 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > did you run something like? > > > > /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -d/etc /etc/master.passwd > > No, I didn't. I assume this is what vipw will do, so I can run this > instead of using vipw? Yes, because vipw can be seen as a chain "editor -> validate -> update database", involving the "lower level" programs that you can call yourself any time. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 08:03 +0100, Polytropon wrote: > You should have been reading my advice about changing the > UID:GID in detail. :-) I deleted it by accident from the until now _not_ shared mails, IOW I deleted it from the FreeBSD mails only and missed it, when having a brief look at the mailing list archive. > UIDs and GIDs should match here. All files belonging to rocketmouse > should be 1000:1000 _and_ the name "rocketmouse" should be > associated to those numerical values (see files mentioned > above). Yes, but because I missed to update the database X login asked for 1001. > But pwd.db and spwd.db (the password databases with encrypted > content) don't reflect those informations! So '# /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -d/etc /etc/master.passwd' is ok, regarding to ... > "man pwd_mkdb" and rebuild > the databases. -c and -u switches could be used too, but aren't needed, since the entries are correct. > If you would have used the "vipw" command to make the change > to the passwd (plain text) files, it would have called pwd_mkdb > after the change. But don't worry: Knowing those "low level hacks" > can be helpful in some worst-case scenario. :-) And then I don't need to use vi, if the default text editor still should be vi. Thank you! Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:11:27 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi all, hi Joshua,
>
> On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:10 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote:
> > find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;
> > find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;
>
> I made one mistake, when I run "find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}'
> \;" for the fist time, I did it without the ":". Later I run it without
> the typo.
>
> There's a serious problem now, rocketmouse still is 1001.
You should have been reading my advice about changing the
UID:GID in detail. :-)
What you seem to be missing is a rebuild of the database
that reflects the content of the password files (where you
have properly made the changes 1001 -> 1000 in /etc/passwd,
/etc/master.passwd and /etc/group).
The command you're searching for is pwd_mkdb.
> .login_conf was '1000 1001', after I "chown 1001" it, to start X as
> user, it became 'rocketmouse 1001', the user rocketmouse still can't run
> a X session anymore.
UIDs and GIDs should match here. All files belonging to rocketmouse
should be 1000:1000 _and_ the name "rocketmouse" should be
associated to those numerical values (see files mentioned
above).
> After rebooting this is the output I get:
Rebooting is _not_ the way to make a probem magically
go away. :-)
> # id rocketmouse
> uid=1001(rocketmouse) gid=1001 groups=1001,0(wheel)
This means the change of 1001 -> 1000 has not been fully done,
in _all_ involved files.
> # ls -hAl /home/ | grep rocketmouse
> drwxr-xr-x 28 1000 rocketmouse 1.5k Jan 24 18:14 rocketmouse
Here, on "file system level", the UID has been changed to 1000
properly, but this UID still doesn't have a matching "name".
> # grep 100 /etc/group
> rocketmouse:*:1000:
> musicpd:*:1002:
>
> # grep 100 /etc/passwd
> rocketmouse:*:1000:1000:Ralf:/home/rocketmouse:/bin/sh
> musicpd:*:1002:1002:Music Player Daemon:/home/musicpd:/usr/sbin/nologin
>
> # grep 100 /etc/master.passwd
> rocketmouse:$1$3mMkzcfl
> $VuryrlzFZ92LmaC6cUOa/.:1000:1000::0:0:Ralf:/home/rocketmouse:/bin/sh
> musicpd:*LOCKED**:1002:1002:daemon:0:0:Music Player
> Daemon:/home/musicpd:/usr/sbin/nologin
All correct.
But pwd.db and spwd.db (the password databases with encrypted
content) don't reflect those informations!
> I repeated both find-chown several times and rebooted, nothing changed,
> it doesn't list any files anymore.
No, repeating what has already been done properly and then
rebooting is, as I said, not a way to make problems magically
go away. I don't know a setting where this should work... :-)
So here's what you need to do: Read "man pwd_mkdb" and rebuild
the databases.
If you would have used the "vipw" command to make the change
to the passwd (plain text) files, it would have called pwd_mkdb
after the change. But don't worry: Knowing those "low level hacks"
can be helpful in some worst-case scenario. :-)
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Magdeburg, Germany
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Thank you Kevin, thank you Erich, On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 21:10 -0500, kpn...@pobox.com wrote: > The correct way to edit the password file is with the "vipw" > command. When you are done with your changes it rewrites the password > file AND rebuilds the password database. > > I'm guessing you have a stale password database now. Use 'vipw' to > make a trivial change and then save and exit out. Ok, I used mcedit to make the changes before and will try vipw now, resp. ... On Fri, 2013-01-25 at 10:06 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > did you run something like? > > /usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -d/etc /etc/master.passwd No, I didn't. I assume this is what vipw will do, so I can run this instead of using vipw? "Once the information has been verified, vipw uses pwd_mkdb(8) to update the user database. This is run in the background, and, at very large sites could take severa minutes. Until this update is completed, the password file is unavailable for other updates and the new information is not available to programs." - http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=vipw&sektion=8 Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi,
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:11:27 +0100
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Hi all, hi Joshua,
>
> On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:10 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote:
> > find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;
> > find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;
>
> I made one mistake, when I run "find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000
> '{}' \;" for the fist time, I did it without the ":". Later I run it
> without the typo.
>
> There's a serious problem now, rocketmouse still is 1001.
>
> .login_conf was '1000 1001', after I "chown 1001" it, to start X as
> user, it became 'rocketmouse 1001', the user rocketmouse still can't
> run a X session anymore.
>
> After rebooting this is the output I get:
>
> # id rocketmouse
> uid=1001(rocketmouse) gid=1001 groups=1001,0(wheel)
>
> # ls -hAl /home/ | grep rocketmouse
> drwxr-xr-x 28 1000 rocketmouse 1.5k Jan 24 18:14 rocketmouse
>
> # grep 100 /etc/group
> rocketmouse:*:1000:
> musicpd:*:1002:
>
> # grep 100 /etc/passwd
> rocketmouse:*:1000:1000:Ralf:/home/rocketmouse:/bin/sh
> musicpd:*:1002:1002:Music Player
> Daemon:/home/musicpd:/usr/sbin/nologin
>
> # grep 100 /etc/master.passwd
> rocketmouse:$1$3mMkzcfl
> $VuryrlzFZ92LmaC6cUOa/.:1000:1000::0:0:Ralf:/home/rocketmouse:/bin/sh
> musicpd:*LOCKED**:1002:1002:daemon:0:0:Music Player
> Daemon:/home/musicpd:/usr/sbin/nologin
>
> I repeated both find-chown several times and rebooted, nothing
> changed, it doesn't list any files anymore.
>
did you run something like?
/usr/sbin/pwd_mkdb -d/etc /etc/master.passwd
erich
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Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi all, hi Joshua,
On Thu, 2013-01-24 at 16:10 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote:
> find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;
> find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;
I made one mistake, when I run "find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}'
\;" for the fist time, I did it without the ":". Later I run it without
the typo.
There's a serious problem now, rocketmouse still is 1001.
.login_conf was '1000 1001', after I "chown 1001" it, to start X as
user, it became 'rocketmouse 1001', the user rocketmouse still can't run
a X session anymore.
After rebooting this is the output I get:
# id rocketmouse
uid=1001(rocketmouse) gid=1001 groups=1001,0(wheel)
# ls -hAl /home/ | grep rocketmouse
drwxr-xr-x 28 1000 rocketmouse 1.5k Jan 24 18:14 rocketmouse
# grep 100 /etc/group
rocketmouse:*:1000:
musicpd:*:1002:
# grep 100 /etc/passwd
rocketmouse:*:1000:1000:Ralf:/home/rocketmouse:/bin/sh
musicpd:*:1002:1002:Music Player Daemon:/home/musicpd:/usr/sbin/nologin
# grep 100 /etc/master.passwd
rocketmouse:$1$3mMkzcfl
$VuryrlzFZ92LmaC6cUOa/.:1000:1000::0:0:Ralf:/home/rocketmouse:/bin/sh
musicpd:*LOCKED**:1002:1002:daemon:0:0:Music Player
Daemon:/home/musicpd:/usr/sbin/nologin
I repeated both find-chown several times and rebooted, nothing changed,
it doesn't list any files anymore.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: Fwd: Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On 1/24/2013 3:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I was surpriesed, when Evolution from Linux had no permissions anymore
to access the mail folder, after
drwxrwx--- rocketmouse wheel was stable for FreeBSD
I wasn't aware, that even between Linux only, the folders for mount
points share the same permissions, once the partition is mounted, since
my Linux users usually share the same uid. I tested it some minutes ago.
However, I add a group freebsd (1001) to a Linux and chown/chmod most of
the pass without -R option and for the mail directory I used the -R
option, now everything _should_ work ...
$ ls -hAl /mnt
drwxrwx--- 21 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Oct 28 19:11 archlinux
but at the end of the pass I noticed this:
$ ls -hAl /mnt/archlinux/home/spinymouse/.local/share/evolution/mail
total 28
drwxrwx--- 3 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:37
1323712251.1853.2@archlinux
drwxrwx--- 3 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:13 1353406324.3645.4@q
drwxrwx--- 3 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:13 1353606434.360.4@q
drwx-- 2 1000 1000 4.0k Jan 24 02:37
1358783158.2173.1@precise
drwxrwx--- 17 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:37 local
drwxrwx--- 4 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:10 trash
drwxrwx--- 2 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:37 vfolder
I suspect I write-accessed /1358783158.2173.1@precise with a Linux that
has no group 1001?
I'll add a group or user 1001 to all Linux and I'll add a user or group
1000 to FreeBSD.
If I've done that, could I expect still any issues?
Regards
Ralf
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If you're primarily using Linux and toying with FreeBSD, I'd just change
your uid and gid to match what you use on linux. If your Linux uid is
1000 and your FreeBSD uid is 1001 you'll always have a problem.
Your best bet it to open up and edit /etc/passwd, /etc/master.passwd,
and /etc/group and change all the 1001's to 1000. You should be safe
since the uid is so high. Some programs expect certain things to be a
certain uid, but you should be safe with 1000. You'll have to remember
to chown all the files. Files are stored by the number, the name's for
human. I assume running these two commands should do it.
find / -uid 1001 -exec chown 1000 '{}' \;
find / -gid 1001 -exec chown :1000 '{}' \;
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Re: Fwd: Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
I was surpriesed, when Evolution from Linux had no permissions anymore to access the mail folder, after drwxrwx--- rocketmouse wheel was stable for FreeBSD I wasn't aware, that even between Linux only, the folders for mount points share the same permissions, once the partition is mounted, since my Linux users usually share the same uid. I tested it some minutes ago. However, I add a group freebsd (1001) to a Linux and chown/chmod most of the pass without -R option and for the mail directory I used the -R option, now everything _should_ work ... $ ls -hAl /mnt drwxrwx--- 21 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Oct 28 19:11 archlinux but at the end of the pass I noticed this: $ ls -hAl /mnt/archlinux/home/spinymouse/.local/share/evolution/mail total 28 drwxrwx--- 3 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:37 1323712251.1853.2@archlinux drwxrwx--- 3 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:13 1353406324.3645.4@q drwxrwx--- 3 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:13 1353606434.360.4@q drwx-- 2 1000 1000 4.0k Jan 24 02:37 1358783158.2173.1@precise drwxrwx--- 17 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:37 local drwxrwx--- 4 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:10 trash drwxrwx--- 2 1000 rocketmouse 4.0k Jan 24 02:37 vfolder I suspect I write-accessed /1358783158.2173.1@precise with a Linux that has no group 1001? I'll add a group or user 1001 to all Linux and I'll add a user or group 1000 to FreeBSD. If I've done that, could I expect still any issues? Regards Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi :) perhaps good news for me. That's strange. Now user and group are kept for the mount point of the ext3 fs. Can I assume that this usually should work and that I just had bad luck, when permissions, user and group were automatically changed? root@freebsd:/mnt # ls -l drwxrwx--- 21 1000 1000 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 22 07:09 dump root@freebsd:/mnt # chown rocketmouse:wheel archlinux root@freebsd:/mnt # ls -l drwxrwx--- 21 rocketmouse wheel 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 22 07:09 dump root@freebsd:/mnt # shutdown -r now root@freebsd:/mnt # ls -l drwxrwx--- 21 rocketmouse wheel 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 22 07:09 dump Before I continue with setting up Evolution, I'll take care about it for a few shutdowns and startups. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:26:18 +0100, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:16:42 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: On 1/21/2013 5:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Hi :) > > I'm sharing the same directory for Evolution emails, by several Linux > installs. For e.g. Ubuntu Precise it's Evolution 3.2.3 and for e.g. > Ubuntu Quantal it's Evolution 3.6.0. > > I'm doing it by a link: > It looks like to me you're asking for long term trouble. You're using multiple versions, so in the future there could be changes that could corrupt your mail. Why not just use an IMAP server instead? It's what I do, so my mail's shared between FreeBSD, Windows, and Android. That might be overhead, but still the approach contains potential for future trouble, as you correctly pointed out. The reason is simple: While you may not have trouble if all programs use the same mechanism for _storing_ mail (e. g. in mbox, MH or Maildir format), they might store other aspects of communication (read / unread, address books, configuration settings) differently. This should happen _independently_ of the mail storage. As long as all involved programs are the same version, it will probably work without any trouble. But if one program of a newer version decides to rewrite the configuration data in a new (and backwards-incompatible) format, the older versions will definitely run into trouble. I've been using a similar approach in the past, having several GUI and TUI mail clients use the same mail _storage_. Still as you suggest, running a (local) IMAP server may prevent trouble, at least on the long run, and it enables you easier testing for mail clients that do not use the same storage format as your "old" ones do. Still you can have any "storage backend" you like, so even "plain text work" (easily done with MH and Maildir) can be done if required (like grepping through messages or processing them automatically in whatever manner). I don't share configurations, filters etc. only the mails and it never did cause an issue. Read and unread always worked. First I let Evolution restore all data from an Evolution backup, Evolution has gut an option to do it, so it will convert all configurations, filters etc., then I delete mail and only link "mail". Doing this with e.g. Mozilla MUAs does cause issues, when they are from different versions, but it works flawlessly for Evolution. For older versions of Evolution it wasn't possible to backup and restore everything by an Evolution option, then we had to do a lot of manually work, even when not sharing a folder. Since this is fixed, sharing the mail folder always will work. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:16:42 +0100, Joshua Isom wrote: It looks like to me you're asking for long term trouble. You're using multiple versions, so in the future there could be changes that could corrupt your mail. Why not just use an IMAP server instead? It's what I do, so my mail's shared between FreeBSD, Windows, and Android. I'm doing it for a long time and I only link to the mail directory. I experienced IMAP as a PITA, not only that there would be the need to set up IMAP for each install, I only have one computer, it did cause incompatibilities, not seldom thousands of mails get fetched several times. Sync can cause tons of issues. Keeping mails on the servers of the two providers I'm using (Alice and Rocketmail) is no option. I will fetch emails and delete them on their servers. The only issue with sharing the GNOME email folder is, that GNOME 3 is a broken DE and Evolution 3.6 is buggy, but this also is an issue, if I don't share the email folder. Unfortunately the mail dir format can't be shared with other mail dir MUAs. YMMV! Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
He already mentioned different major versions, and changing to 5.0 in a few years may need the mail "migrated" for a new feature. Then there could be trouble. Getting storage away from the client is the most stable. A local cache will likely provide all the new fancy features. Polytropon wrote: >On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:16:42 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: >> On 1/21/2013 5:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> > Hi :) >> > >> > I'm sharing the same directory for Evolution emails, by several >Linux >> > installs. For e.g. Ubuntu Precise it's Evolution 3.2.3 and for e.g. >> > Ubuntu Quantal it's Evolution 3.6.0. >> > >> > I'm doing it by a link: >> > >> >> It looks like to me you're asking for long term trouble. You're >using >> multiple versions, so in the future there could be changes that could > >> corrupt your mail. Why not just use an IMAP server instead? It's >what >> I do, so my mail's shared between FreeBSD, Windows, and Android. > >That might be overhead, but still the approach contains >potential for future trouble, as you correctly pointed >out. > >The reason is simple: While you may not have trouble if >all programs use the same mechanism for _storing_ mail >(e. g. in mbox, MH or Maildir format), they might store >other aspects of communication (read / unread, address >books, configuration settings) differently. This should >happen _independently_ of the mail storage. As long as >all involved programs are the same version, it will >probably work without any trouble. But if one program >of a newer version decides to rewrite the configuration >data in a new (and backwards-incompatible) format, the >older versions will definitely run into trouble. > >I've been using a similar approach in the past, having >several GUI and TUI mail clients use the same mail >_storage_. Still as you suggest, running a (local) IMAP >server may prevent trouble, at least on the long run, >and it enables you easier testing for mail clients that >do not use the same storage format as your "old" ones do. >Still you can have any "storage backend" you like, so >even "plain text work" (easily done with MH and Maildir) >can be done if required (like grepping through messages >or processing them automatically in whatever manner). > > > > >-- >Polytropon >Magdeburg, Germany >Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 >Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On 22/01/2013 05:32, Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:31:11 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:18 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: I guess it would be possible to change the id for the existing FreeBSD user and then to chown /home/user_name to fit to 1000? Of course, this would work. But then all existing files of the existing FreeBSD would be without owner. The current user is: rocketmouse The uid is : 1001 Isn't it possible to change the uid to 1000? This would cause that the owner wouldn't be rocketmouse anymore, but still 1001. I then could run chown -R for /home/rocketmouse to switch from 1001 to back to rocketmouse = new uid 1000. You would need to do two changes: First in the password database, with chsh (tidy way) or by editing the /etc/passwd, /etc/master.passwd and /etc/group files plus rebuilding the database with pwd_mkdb (untidy way) to assign rocketmouse = 1000 on FreeBSD. Could you do this with pw(8)? # pw usermod rocketmouse -u 1000 checking first there isn't a uid 1000 already. Then chown -R Chris Then you would also have to "promote" this change to the file system, as all the files still belong to a user with UID 1001. Use chown -R with the new numerical value of 1000. Result: Your user would have the UID 1000 on all systems, so all the "low level functions" would behave similarly. Or another idea would be to create a new user with the uid 1000 and then to add rocketmouse to the group of this user. I guess this is what you already recommended. Yes, that would also work. You only have to make sure that group permissions are valid, and the "access permission" is provided in /etc/group properly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 04:16:42 -0600, Joshua Isom wrote: > On 1/21/2013 5:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hi :) > > > > I'm sharing the same directory for Evolution emails, by several Linux > > installs. For e.g. Ubuntu Precise it's Evolution 3.2.3 and for e.g. > > Ubuntu Quantal it's Evolution 3.6.0. > > > > I'm doing it by a link: > > > > It looks like to me you're asking for long term trouble. You're using > multiple versions, so in the future there could be changes that could > corrupt your mail. Why not just use an IMAP server instead? It's what > I do, so my mail's shared between FreeBSD, Windows, and Android. That might be overhead, but still the approach contains potential for future trouble, as you correctly pointed out. The reason is simple: While you may not have trouble if all programs use the same mechanism for _storing_ mail (e. g. in mbox, MH or Maildir format), they might store other aspects of communication (read / unread, address books, configuration settings) differently. This should happen _independently_ of the mail storage. As long as all involved programs are the same version, it will probably work without any trouble. But if one program of a newer version decides to rewrite the configuration data in a new (and backwards-incompatible) format, the older versions will definitely run into trouble. I've been using a similar approach in the past, having several GUI and TUI mail clients use the same mail _storage_. Still as you suggest, running a (local) IMAP server may prevent trouble, at least on the long run, and it enables you easier testing for mail clients that do not use the same storage format as your "old" ones do. Still you can have any "storage backend" you like, so even "plain text work" (easily done with MH and Maildir) can be done if required (like grepping through messages or processing them automatically in whatever manner). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On 1/21/2013 5:33 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi :) I'm sharing the same directory for Evolution emails, by several Linux installs. For e.g. Ubuntu Precise it's Evolution 3.2.3 and for e.g. Ubuntu Quantal it's Evolution 3.6.0. I'm doing it by a link: It looks like to me you're asking for long term trouble. You're using multiple versions, so in the future there could be changes that could corrupt your mail. Why not just use an IMAP server instead? It's what I do, so my mail's shared between FreeBSD, Windows, and Android. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:31:11 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:18 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > I guess it would be possible to change the id for the existing FreeBSD > > > user and then to chown /home/user_name to fit to 1000? > > > > Of course, this would work. But then all existing files of the existing > > FreeBSD would be without owner. > > The current user is: rocketmouse > The uid is : 1001 > > Isn't it possible to change the uid to 1000? > This would cause that the owner wouldn't be rocketmouse anymore, but > still 1001. I then could run chown -R for /home/rocketmouse to switch > from 1001 to back to rocketmouse = new uid 1000. You would need to do two changes: First in the password database, with chsh (tidy way) or by editing the /etc/passwd, /etc/master.passwd and /etc/group files plus rebuilding the database with pwd_mkdb (untidy way) to assign rocketmouse = 1000 on FreeBSD. Then you would also have to "promote" this change to the file system, as all the files still belong to a user with UID 1001. Use chown -R with the new numerical value of 1000. Result: Your user would have the UID 1000 on all systems, so all the "low level functions" would behave similarly. > Or another idea would be to create a new user with the uid 1000 and then > to add rocketmouse to the group of this user. I guess this is what you > already recommended. Yes, that would also work. You only have to make sure that group permissions are valid, and the "access permission" is provided in /etc/group properly. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi, On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 02:31:11 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:18 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > I guess it would be possible to change the id for the existing > > > FreeBSD user and then to chown /home/user_name to fit to 1000? > > > > Of course, this would work. But then all existing files of the > > existing FreeBSD would be without owner. > > The current user is: rocketmouse > The uid is : 1001 > > Isn't it possible to change the uid to 1000? > This would cause that the owner wouldn't be rocketmouse anymore, but > still 1001. I then could run chown -R for /home/rocketmouse to switch > from 1001 to back to rocketmouse = new uid 1000. > > Or another idea would be to create a new user with the uid 1000 and > then to add rocketmouse to the group of this user. I guess this is > what you already recommended. yes, this is what I would do. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:18 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > I guess it would be possible to change the id for the existing FreeBSD > > user and then to chown /home/user_name to fit to 1000? > > Of course, this would work. But then all existing files of the existing > FreeBSD would be without owner. The current user is: rocketmouse The uid is : 1001 Isn't it possible to change the uid to 1000? This would cause that the owner wouldn't be rocketmouse anymore, but still 1001. I then could run chown -R for /home/rocketmouse to switch from 1001 to back to rocketmouse = new uid 1000. Or another idea would be to create a new user with the uid 1000 and then to add rocketmouse to the group of this user. I guess this is what you already recommended. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hallo Ralf, On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 01:53:52 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 07:31 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:33:49 +0100 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > > > > root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # ls -l /mnt > > > drwxrwx--- 21 1000 1000 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux > > > drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 20 20:09 dump > > > > > it seems that you do not have a user with the id 1000 on this > > machine. Create one and that user will be able to access it. > > Hallo Erich :) > > correct, as already mentioned, the uid of the FreeBSD user is 1001. > Why doesn't change chown the user and group, why do I get ---? I'll > try it again, perhaps it was voodoo ;). > > Assumed it wasn't voodoo, is there no way to get consistent rwx > permissions for "others" or to get a consistent group "wheel" instead > of "1000"? Why do I get those permissions, owner and group > automatically? And why does it differ to what I get for /dump? > root and wheel have the ID 0. All other IDs are more or less randomly used. I use scripts on my systems to have always the same IDs. > I guess it would be possible to change the id for the existing FreeBSD > user and then to chown /home/user_name to fit to 1000? Of course, this would work. But then all existing files of the existing FreeBSD would be without owner. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 07:31 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:33:49 +0100 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # ls -l /mnt > > drwxrwx--- 21 1000 1000 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux > > drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 20 20:09 dump > > > it seems that you do not have a user with the id 1000 on this machine. > Create one and that user will be able to access it. Hallo Erich :) correct, as already mentioned, the uid of the FreeBSD user is 1001. Why doesn't change chown the user and group, why do I get ---? I'll try it again, perhaps it was voodoo ;). Assumed it wasn't voodoo, is there no way to get consistent rwx permissions for "others" or to get a consistent group "wheel" instead of "1000"? Why do I get those permissions, owner and group automatically? And why does it differ to what I get for /dump? I guess it would be possible to change the id for the existing FreeBSD user and then to chown /home/user_name to fit to 1000? Ciao, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Re: Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi, On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:33:49 +0100 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # ls -l /mnt > drwxrwx--- 21 1000 1000 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux > drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 20 20:09 dump > it seems that you do not have a user with the id 1000 on this machine. Create one and that user will be able to access it. Erich ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
Sharing a mail folder between Linux and FreeBSD
Hi :) I'm sharing the same directory for Evolution emails, by several Linux installs. For e.g. Ubuntu Precise it's Evolution 3.2.3 and for e.g. Ubuntu Quantal it's Evolution 3.6.0. I'm doing it by a link: root@precise:~# ls -l /home/spinymouse/.local/share/evolution lrwxrwxrwx 1 spinymouse spinymouse58 Apr 28 2012 mail -> /mnt/archlinux/home/spinymouse/.local/share/evolution/mail I would like to share it with Evolution from my FreeBSD install, but there's an issue regarding to permissions. For FreeBSD I don't have control about the permissions of the mounted Linux ext3 partitions. I get: root@freebsd:/usr/home/rocketmouse # ls -l /mnt drwxrwx--- 21 1000 1000 4096 Oct 28 19:11 archlinux drwxrwxrwx 2 root wheel 4096 Jan 20 20:09 dump The user is able to access /dump, but only /root can access /archlinux. The uid of the FreeBSD user is 1001. I wonder why for /archlinux I get rwxrwx--- and for /dump rwxrwxrwx, those permissions, user and group will be changed automatically. Regards, Ralf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org"
