Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys couldnt even sweep up after the original FreeBSD team. What a travesty. And apparently there aren't any technically capable people using FreeBSD anymore, because they all seem very happy with an O/S that is substantially slower than it was before. What a waste. You're on AOL. You demonstrate your incredible technical savvy with each post from that address. Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
If you nor any of the FreeBSD developers know about the 75xx series of chipsets, then I guess that explains why the score is Linux 87, FreeBSD 2. and getting worse by the day. Nicely done. What are you developing on, gaming machines? Why have you trashed the OS to strengthen SMP computing when you don't even know what chipsets are required to run the latest SMP processors? What's really scary is that you'd rather come up with 35 reasons not to do something than to spend 10 minutes trying to find out what you don't know. I posted exactly why 5.x is slower than 4.x, and its not because its bigger, you blubbering moron. Thats the kind of answer I'd expect from my secretary. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD If you nor any of the FreeBSD developers know about the 75xx series of chipsets, I had a feeling something like this would have come out of your trap, so I took the precaution of e-mailing the people yesterday who had filed PR i386/72579 yesterday. The results are available here: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=72579 The original author of the PR has not responded, and the one followup author responded to my query saying that it was bad hardware, and that his other 75xx-based SuperMicro board works fine. Your friend Boris who was the OP on this thread has also slunk away and hidden since he has not posted a followup to the PR in question either. I posted exactly why 5.x is slower than 4.x, If you know so much about it I suggest you open a new PR on the topic so the development team can look into it. Of course, to do this you have to actually OWN a system with one of these chipsets, running FreeBSD 5.3. We await your PR. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
* Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [0135 07:35]: Perhaps we all should ask why it is OK for SuperMicro to release a motherboard that is incompatible with the existing FreeBSD versions? Because they hate our freedom, of course... -- 'One cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs -- but it is amazing how many eggs one can break without making a decent omelette.' -- Charles P. Issawi Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Jan 5 at 19:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] launched this into the bitstream: In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that are He has a Holy Mission. Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? Excuse me, though I may be a mere acolyte I have to severely disagree with you. If this was a bar, consider yourself smashed over the head with a barstool, stomped into a bloodied mess then unceremoniously dragged into the parking lot and thrown in a dumpster. That is without doubt the single most idiotic, counter-productive, untrue, fallacious, and outright *false* statement I've ever read on any BSD list - ever. 4.10 *is* supported, and 5.3 works as advertised - what the hell is your *problem* exactly??? Apologies to the list, but this was just too much. I shall now cease and desist, instead just fulminate quietly and post on this matter no longer. Regards to all, -Colin ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:57:37PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:48:05PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: Procmail is your friend. Something like: # # Well-known AOL troll on FreeBSD. # :0: * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to instead block Tm[0-9]+ because he likes to change his address every few weeks [1]. Kris [1] Perhaps the counter reflects the number of times his AOL account has been deleted. Ah, that's why I started seeing him again. Thanks for the pointer. --Stijn -- Oh good, my dog found the chainsaw. -- Lilo, Disney's Lilo Stitch pgpffZnkzj23n.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Colin J. Raven wrote: 4.10 *is* supported, and 5.3 works as advertised - what the hell is your *problem* exactly??? _ /| /| | | | ||__|| | |Please do not| / O O\__ | feed the | / \ | Trolls | / \ \|_| / _\ \ || /|\\ \ || / | | | |\/ || / \|_|_|/ | _|| / / \|| || / | | | --| | | | | --| * _| |_|_|_| | \-/ *-- _--\ _ \ | || / _ \\|/ ` * / \_ /- | | | * ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 04:20 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that are He has a Holy Mission. Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? You are not doing anything to further this mission by complaining on a tech help list, which is the only action I have seen you take besides running one speed test. Your technique does distract from the purpose of this list, and it starts flame wars. Certainly, someone who is truly concerned would find more constructive methods. - jt ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Jan 5, 2005, at 5:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The tranquility of this list is apparently because the people on this list are too technically incompetent to realize how badly botched 5.x is. thank you master, thank you for helping me get my mouse working, let me kiss your boots Quick questions... If you don't like the OS and think everyone is incompetent and you could design and implement a better system with your fingers superglued together and a blindfold on, why are you using *BSD? If you're not using *BSD, why are you wasting your time on the list at all? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/6/05 1:44:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they used to make 5.3 work? YOU are not PAYING the FreeBSD developers to develop for your particular SuperMicro motherboard. Teddy, Its the most prevalent and popolar chipset on the market, Ted. At least pretend to be somewhat competent at your trade. End uses shouldnt have to fund organization touting free OSs on mainstream chipsets. Its ridiculous that you don't support it. TM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 7:39:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your point might have some teeth if the newer version were better, but the entire problem is that 5.x is much worse than 4.x, so there lies the issue. 4.10 is NOT supposed to be an old version. Its the production version. Because its readily admitted that 5.x is not yet ready for prime time by those in the know. And its not properly suppored. Thats strange, http://www.freebsd.org says 5.3 is the Production release and 4.10 is the (legacy) production release I guess they just dont teach you words like legacy in troll school. And why is that, when Robert Watson has outlined, on this list, why 5.x isnt ready yet? I find it amazing that not one person in this stupid customer base cares about that fact? Are you all a bunch of wireless college kids or something? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 7:25:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that are He has a Holy Mission. Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? That you think being an unbearable asshole is an appropriate way to go about it. Kris Well apparaently if someone asks nicely you ask them to donate their hardware. Why don't you answer the question, as to why the newest intel chipsets are not supported by 4.x, instead of bashing me? You dont have any answers. You guys couldnt even sweep up after the original FreeBSD team. What a travesty. And apparently there aren't any technically capable people using FreeBSD anymore, because they all seem very happy with an O/S that is substantially slower than it was before. What a waste. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/6/05 2:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really have no contacts at SM or Dell? What kind of a development org has no contacts with major vendors? It's not a question of not having contacts. It's a question of actually defining the problem in a way that a developer can get a fix on it. Currently, this is done with the PR mechanism on FreeBSD.org. Doing a search of this shows only PR i386/72579, which claims FreeBSD 4.X doesen't work at all on this chipset, which is contrary to what the OP was saying. Thats NOT contrary to what anyone was saying (Im not sure who OP is). You're just too busy writing people off as trolls to read whats written. He said it didnt work at all with the 7520 MB, and he said his OLD 533Mhz MB was faster in 4.9 than the new MB was in 5.3 so it made no sense to upgrade. So, apparently, doing a PR doesnt work, since the PR you cited has been largely ignored for 3 months. So whats else do you recommend, Ted? PS: the 7520/7530 is required for use of Intel's newest CPUs, so its not some random chipset. It should be way higher in the list of priorities than the peripheral fixes noted for 4.11. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD Teddy, Its the most prevalent and popolar chipset on the market, Ted. At Strange then that none of my servers that run FreeBSD have this chip. Strange also that none of the developers have noticed this. I wonder if this is because I look at the hardware recommendations first - before buying hardware? Like on places like http://www.testdrive.hp.com/ where I can actually log into HP systems running FreeBSD and try it out myself? Naww! Is it possible that it's the most popular because it's the cheapest low-end chipset out there, fit only for desktop systems running the latest game from Id Software? Naw! At least in the United States retailers are held to a 30 day warranty on products - if you buy one of these problematic motherboards and find that FreeBSD doesen't run on it, then take it back and get a different one. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD Well apparaently if someone asks nicely you ask them to donate their hardware. Hmm - interesting theory there - all you have to do to get software customized for you is to ask nicely? Can we ask you nicely to go away? Will that work too? :-) Why don't you answer the question, as to why the newest intel chipsets are not supported by 4.x, instead of bashing me? You dont have any answers. Ah, the OP said that the newest Intel chipsets were not supported by FreeBSD FIVE, not FOUR. Don't forget the actual problem when your on a roll. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD In a message dated 1/6/05 2:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really have no contacts at SM or Dell? What kind of a development org has no contacts with major vendors? It's not a question of not having contacts. It's a question of actually defining the problem in a way that a developer can get a fix on it. Currently, this is done with the PR mechanism on FreeBSD.org. Doing a search of this shows only PR i386/72579, which claims FreeBSD 4.X doesen't work at all on this chipset, which is contrary to what the OP was saying. Thats NOT contrary to what anyone was saying (Im not sure who OP is). It surprises me that as you imply that you have been around the Internet for a long time that you don't know that OP stands for Original Poster. You're just too busy writing people off as trolls to read whats written. He said it didnt work at all with the 7520 MB, No, the PR author said that 5.3 works OK. He said that only 4.10 doesen't work with the NEW E7520 chipset but that 4.9 works with the OLD E7520 chipset. The implication is that 5.3 works fine on BOTH the NEW and the OLD chipset. Note also that the PR in question was filed OCTOBER 12 which was fully a MONTH before 5.3 was actually released. Thus the person filing the PR was running a BETA version of 5.3. and he said his OLD 533Mhz MB was faster in 4.9 than the new MB was in 5.3 so it made no sense to upgrade. Boris Spirialitious is the poster that said that, and he WASN'T the one who filed PR i386/72579. Boris did NOT say WHAT version of 5.3 he was running - was it RELEASE or an earlier beta? Nor did he post results of any testing program that showed a speed difference. So, apparently, doing a PR doesnt work, since the PR you cited has been largely ignored for 3 months. PR's that are NOT filed well are going to be ignored. Please, read the following: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/problem-reports/article. html Here's a list of things that both Boris and the PR author (and the person posting a followup to the PR) HAVEN'T done: 1) Boris hasn't posted a followup to the PR explaing what he's seeing. 2) Missing exact versions of FreeBSD in both cases 3) Missing model# of Boris's motherboard. 3a) Poster of followup to PR hasn't included model# of his board. He's also using a lame excuse for not running 5.3 but that's a side issue. 4) dmesg output from the 5.3 system that has the new E7520 chip and can't run 4.10 is missing 5) dmesg output from 4.9 system that has the old E7520 chip and CAN run 4.X is missing. 6) Identifying numbers off the E7520 chips or from the two machines BIOS are missing 7) No posting of whether 4.11 RC runs on the new chipset or not And overall in summary I have to say this - BOTH Boris and the author of this PR state that FreeBSD 5.3 runs on their motherboards, Boris says also that 4.10 runs on his MB, the PR author says that 4.10 doesen't run on ONE of his motherboards. The PR author didn't even say he was having a problem with this, or why he wanted to run 4.X instead of 5.3 - although considering the PR was filed about a month prior to the release of 5.3 I'll assume the PR author just didn't want to run beta code. Only one followup poster to the PR complained about having to run 5.3. And, Boris complained. The one followup post to the PR stated: We cannot run 5.x as it is considered insecure. which is IMHO a big pile of baloney - who considers it insecure and why? And Boris hasn't posted any of his slowness complaint to this PR, so the PR lacks that. So whats else do you recommend, Ted? PS: the 7520/7530 is required for use of Intel's newest CPUs, so its not some random chipset. It should be way higher in the list of priorities than the peripheral fixes noted for 4.11. Boris didn't say that 4.11 RC didn't work on his motherboard, he said 4.10 didn't work. How do you know 4.11 isn't going to work on this chipset when nobody has even tried it? Why the heck do you think the release team even bothers with RC releases to begin with? It's so people like Boris can post their showstopper bugs. Since that hasn't happened here, just a bunch of hand-waving bitching in -questions, why do you even bother asking why nothing is happening? This PR is kind of equivalent to someone posting My Windows 2000 operating system doesen't work on my new SuperMicro motherboard and I want Microsoft to fix it when the SuperMicro motherboard in question was designed and manufactured AFTER Windows 2K was released - although to the PR authors credit, he wasn't demanding that 4.10 be modified to work on his hardware. Perhaps we all should ask why it is OK for SuperMicro to release a motherboard that is incompatible
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they used to make 5.3 work? Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. Boris Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boris Spirialitious Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can be done? Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. Ted __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
Someone broke the silence: One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they used to make 5.3 work? Yes, I know things are expensive. So are the rewards. Would it be worth it? The reason that Ted asked for a donation of the server is because apparently none of them have access to one to make FreeBSD work properly on this particular system architecture. Ted's request is not the only thing that can be done. You can even loan for a certain period of time if you wish. The time period would have to be sufficent enough for the developers. The developers can reward you (support for FreeBSD) if you give them something (donation money, parts, gimmericks). That is why you got a free OS. Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. FreeBSD is more organized and managed more professionally compared to many of the Linux distrubtion organizations. That is why anyone will tell you to use anything except $THAT. The FreeBSD development seems slow compared to Linux development for numberous of reasons. I cannot and will not name them except for one. We go for quality...not bleeding edge (I did that first!..but it's broken after few days). Everyone in the world is stupid...no perfect smart human exists. :) Chris Boris Ted Mittelstaedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boris Spirialitious Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can be done? Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. Ted __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 12:23:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. FreeBSD is more organized and managed more professionally compared to many of the Linux distrubtion organizations. That is why anyone will tell you to use anything except $THAT. The FreeBSD development seems slow compared to Linux development for numberous of reasons. I cannot and will not name them except for one. We go for quality...not bleeding edge (I did that first!..but it's broken after few days). Everyone in the world is stupid...no perfect smart human exists. :) Chris Do you really believe that Chris? Its not about being slow. Its about everyone being focused on the new version while ignoring needs for the only version suitable for production. It would be fine that 5.x is taking way longer than expected, and that the performance is well below what was promised, if 4.x was being supported as the mainstream version. The truth is that if someone in the linux camp needed a MB they'd call supermicro or Dell and get one the next day. Apparently FreeBSD doesn't have that kind of pull. If the FreeBSD foundation doesnt have $250. to support a mainstream chipset used by the world's 2 largest manufacturers, or you don't have a corporate sponsor with a single Dell machine to loan for a few days, then it says something about your organization, or lack thereof. Linux also doesnt do a major release until its arguably better than the previous version. Another lesson that the FreeBSD camp could well learn from. You do your tweaking in the confines of your labs, not at the expense of your customer base.. Stupid is a choice. Its easily correctable if you ever get out of your state of denial and stop acting like a bunch of overaged college kids.Come to tems with the fact the 5.x is a year away and don't leave the base thats gotten you to where you are in the lurch. TM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux also doesnt do a major release until its arguably better than the previous version. Another lesson that the FreeBSD camp could well learn from. You do your tweaking in the confines of your labs, not at the expense of your customer base.. I'm sorry ... I missed something. What exactly was the major arguably better difference between RedHat 8 and RedHat 9? I got the distinct impression RedHat was playing the version number game with SuSE and Mandrake. Or how about RedHat 7.2 to 7.3? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they used to make 5.3 work? Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. Thank you for trolling on an otherwise incredibly useful, civil, polite and helpful list. Now be gone. Back to your Linuxian ways ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 1:20:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Linux also doesnt do a major release until its arguably better than the previous version. Another lesson that the FreeBSD camp could well learn from. You do your tweaking in the confines of your labs, not at the expense of your customer base.. I'm sorry ... I missed something. What exactly was the major arguably better difference between RedHat 8 and RedHat 9? I got the distinct impression RedHat was playing the version number game with SuSE and Mandrake. Or how about RedHat 7.2 to 7.3? Yes, you've missed the fact that kernels and distributions are independent of one-another in linux. Redhat is just a distribution and has little to do with what particular kernel version you are using. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 2:39:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they used to make 5.3 work? Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. Thank you for trolling on an otherwise incredibly useful, civil, polite and helpful list. Now be gone. Back to your Linuxian ways Asking a guy from a poor country to donate his hardware to a US organization at least partially funded by Yahoo is helpful? What planet are you from? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you've missed the fact that kernels and distributions are independent of one-another in linux. Redhat is just a distribution and has little to do with what particular kernel version you are using. First of all, that wasn't missed. It was quite intentional. I am underscoring the difference between Linux and *BSD. Second, I would argue with the assessment Linux doesn't do a major release until it is arguably better than the previous version, and that this somehow is in contrast to *BSD. This is an ambiguous statement, at best. Define major and define better. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking a guy from a poor country to donate his hardware to a US organization at least partially funded by Yahoo is helpful? What planet are you from? The planet where 99% of the posts on this list are helpful, and the one from this guy (who calls the members of this list, and I quote, very stupid people) isn't. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 3:00:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Asking a guy from a poor country to donate his hardware to a US organization at least partially funded by Yahoo is helpful? What planet are you from? The planet where 99% of the posts on this list are helpful, and the one from this guy (who calls the members of this list, and I quote, very stupid people) isn't. I don't think he was calling the members of this list stupid. Only that not supporting major chipsets and whining about not having the funding nor the contacts to get a $250 Mobo as an excuse was Stupid. This is not a new chipset. Its been out for months and months. TM ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think he was calling the members of this list stupid. You are correct. He wasn't. Rather, it was the people who *developed* the *free* and very powerful operating system (that he is attempting to use) he called stupid. I'm still waiting to see him post an apology. I, for one, am humbled by the BSD teams. They do work I don't believe I could ever do, regardless of my 15 years of work in software. Only that not supporting major chipsets and whining about not having the funding nor the contacts to get a $250 Mobo as an excuse was Stupid. This is not a new chipset. Its been out for months and months. Really? Gee, so has my Linksys Wireless G card. In fact, I am fairly sure it's been out for more than a year. Guess what? It's not supported on FreeBSD 4.10 either. It *is* on 5.3 via ndis (which I was thrilled to discover). Kinda sounds like the situation with these SuperMicro boards. If it was *that* important to me to run this particular 802.11g card on FreeBSD 4.10, I *would* donate or loan it to a kernel developer. And that is perfectly reasonable advice. The fact that he's in Russia is of no consequence. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] We're supposed to just psychically *know* that's a Russian domain and his net income for three months is what I earn in an hour? Open Sound doesn't work on 4.10. Only on 5.3. Am I going to complain to 4Front Technologies that they are stupid? I think not. Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight tendency to ask the question: how can I hack this code to work, and how would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team? But I see none of that. In short: troll. Anyone with a reasonable desire to use any of the *nixes would have enough smarts to know: 1. check the hardware compatibility lists to determine whether or not the hardware you want to run is going to work with the particular *nix you want to use. This is no different between BSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to know this and to work with it. 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. As a result ... please pardon me if I am intolerant of behavior and attitudes that sound to me like that which I left behind when I put FreeBSD on my laptop and two servers ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 13:58:47 -0700, Tom Vilot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight tendency to ask the question: how can I hack this code to work, and how would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team? But I see none of that. In short: troll. Anyone with a reasonable desire to use any of the *nixes would have enough smarts to know: 1. check the hardware compatibility lists to determine whether or not the hardware you want to run is going to work with the particular *nix you want to use. This is no different between BSD and Linux, Solaris, etc. 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to know this and to work with it. 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. As a result ... please pardon me if I am intolerant of behavior and attitudes that sound to me like that which I left behind when I put FreeBSD on my laptop and two servers Very well said, Tom, and accurate. Thank you. -- Joshua Lokken Open Source Advocate ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
I, for one, am humbled by the BSD teams... I have come out of hibernation early in order to agree with all of the above points. Back to bed for me, Good night. Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 4:03:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight tendency to ask the question: how can I hack this code to work, and how would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team? You obviously speak from your armpit, because to do the kind of work to support the O/S at the chipset level is beyond the reasonable expectations of even the most talented of programmers. The learning curve to be able to understand the basic code is exceptionally steep. Thats why there are maintainers, becuase what takes him an hour would take someone else weeks. 2. Don't expect every damn piece of hardware out there to work out of the box with an older version of the kernel for the given *nix. This is NOT WINDOWS (thank god) and just because you have a particular piece of hardware doesn't mean it's going to work. It is your responsibility to know this and to work with it. 3. Ask questions politely in the appropriate forums, and be civil. Failing to do so is probably not going to get your question answered. I for one was drafting a post for this list thanking *everyone* on it for being the kind of terrific help they are when Boris' post appeared. The kind of discourse I see on this list (and on other BSD oriented lists) is a huge and welcome contrast to the childish banter I see on most of the Linux (and MacOS and Windows) discussion lists out there. It is like the kind of professional enthusiasm I remember on the BeOS lists. -- Your point might have some teeth if the newer version were better, but the entire problem is that 5.x is much worse than 4.x, so there lies the issue. 4.10 is NOT supposed to be an old version. Its the production version. Because its readily admitted that 5.x is not yet ready for prime time by those in the know. And its not properly suppored. The tranquility of this list is apparently because the people on this list are too technically incompetent to realize how badly botched 5.x is. thank you master, thank you for helping me get my mouse working, let me kiss your boots The truth is that you are in awe of a team that has done a terrible job of transitioning to a new version, who can't get the new version to perform at close to the levels of the previous version after several years, and who have time and time again failed to meet their promised performance targets. They force their customer base to use the slothy thing, because modern motherboards and comm cards dont work in 4.x. And you stand and cheer them. Like a bunch of blind men cheering the one-eyed fool. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 3:59:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rather, it was the people who *developed* the *free* and very powerful operating system (that he is attempting to use) he called stupid. I'm still waiting to see him post an apology. I, for one, am humbled by the BSD teams. They do work I don't believe I could ever do, regardless of my 15 years of work in software. Well you are worshiping the wrong mountain, my friend, because the people who developed the free, powerful OS you speak of are mostly long gone. The current team is reponsible for a new version that is 1/4 slower than its predecessor. Doesn't seem so awesome to me. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Whine, whine, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch. So go use Linux. Someone is twisting your arm? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 6:29:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Whine, whine, whine, bitch, bitch, bitch. You aren't technically capable of grasping a single point in this discussion, Tom, so why are you even trying? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why are you even trying? Why are you on this list? This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a BSD SUX list. Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that arena. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:02:23PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why are you even trying? Why are you on this list? This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a BSD SUX list. Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that arena. He has a Holy Mission. Kris pgptiFDDoRSKs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/4/05 11:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can be done? Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. Ted Do you really have no contacts at SM or Dell? What kind of a development org has no contacts with major vendors? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that are He has a Holy Mission. Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 07:20:06PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/5/05 7:16:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that are He has a Holy Mission. Yes, a mission to get the FreeBSD team to support 4.10 until they can get 5.x working properly. Whats not reasonable about that? That you think being an unbearable asshole is an appropriate way to go about it. Kris pgp7jfjBdiVGu.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 05:02:23PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: =20 so why are you even trying?=20 =20 Why are you on this list? =20 This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a BSD SUX list. =20 Why are you here? =20 I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you= =20 were born with an advantage in that arena. He has a Holy Mission. Yes, and his holy mission seems to be to waste people's time and energy trying to draw attention to himself without making any contribution of value to the community. Less than two months ago, vastly excessive amounts of bandwidth and delete effort were wasted in this list on this creature. I fear insulting the good name of troll in this case. Can we NOT fall back in to that sinkhole and just ignore the trash. jerry Kris ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 04:02 pm, Tom Vilot wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: so why are you even trying? Why are you on this list? This is a questions list. Not an advocacy list, not a BSD SUX list. Why are you here? I wish I could be as arrogant and condescending as you, but clearly you were born with an advantage in that arena. Have u never heard of aol'ers? They've been the scourge of the internet for years. I'm surprised one of 'em found their way into this FreeBSD list, broken filter maybe? ;) -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Your point might have some teeth if the newer version were better, but the entire problem is that 5.x is much worse than 4.x, so there lies the issue. 4.10 is NOT supposed to be an old version. Its the production version. Because its readily admitted that 5.x is not yet ready for prime time by those in the know. And its not properly suppored. Thats strange, http://www.freebsd.org says 5.3 is the Production release and 4.10 is the (legacy) production release I guess they just dont teach you words like legacy in troll school. The truth is that you are in awe of a team that has done a terrible job of transitioning to a new version, who can't get the new version to perform at close to the levels of the previous version after several years, and who have time and time again failed to meet their promised performance targets. They force their customer base to use the slothy thing, because modern motherboards and comm cards dont work in 4.x. And you stand and cheer them. Like a bunch of blind men cheering the one-eyed fool. If they've done such a bad job, why not contribute something other than useless rants on the lists? And what customer base? I dont think the FreeBSD Foundation is trying to sell their product. and who says all modern/new cards are supported in 4.x, I've used several new devices on 4.x without problems. Why dont you just install windows and be happy with your OS that just works. Regards, Frank Laszlo ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
Jerry McAllister wrote: Yes, and his holy mission seems to be to waste people's time and energy trying to draw attention to himself without making any contribution of value to the community. Less than two months ago, vastly excessive amounts of bandwidth and delete effort were wasted in this list on this creature. I fear insulting the good name of troll in this case. Can we NOT fall back in to that sinkhole and just ignore the trash. Okay, I'm with you Jerry. My apologies to the group for wasting bandwidth on this silly person. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 17:58:53 EST the latest troll [EMAIL PROTECTED] blathered: In a message dated 1/5/05 4:03:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Besides ... with a name like hardcodeharry, I would expect a little more intelligence; a little more willingness to dig into things. A slight tendency to ask the question: how can I hack this code to work, and how would I contribute those modifications to the BSD team? You obviously speak from your armpit, because to do the kind of work Still in the Dark Ages, eh? Even after all the gentle tutelage posted in response to the childishly, foolishly insulting prior postings...tsk, tsk. to support the O/S at the chipset level is beyond the reasonable expectations of even the most talented of programmers. The learning curve to be able Ah. So the troll didn't really expect *anybody* reasonably to have provided support. It just wanted something to bitch about on this list. It should go back to the bit bucket it came from. to understand the basic code is exceptionally steep. Thats why there are maintainers, becuase what takes him an hour would take someone else weeks. [more tutelage and some Trollish ravings deleted --SB] They force their customer base to use the slothy thing, because modern Apparently, the troll still hasn't fathomed that the developers have no customer base because they don't sell the software. That's why it's called FreeBSD though that probably wouldn't matter to a troll even if it could understand it. Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG ** * Internet: bennett at cs.niu.edu * ** * A well regulated and disciplined militia, is at all times a good * * objection to the introduction of that bane of all free governments * * -- a standing army. * *-- Gov. John Hancock, New York Journal, 28 January 1790 * ** ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Scott Bennett wrote: Ah. So the troll didn't really expect *anybody* reasonably to have provided support. It just wanted something to bitch about on this list. It should go back to the bit bucket it came from. Procmail is your friend. Something like: # # Well-known AOL troll on FreeBSD. # :0: * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null (Quoted from memory. Usual disclaimers. Worth precisely what you paid for it. Contents may settle during delivery. May contain sharp objects or traces of peanuts. Etc.) -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 03:48:05PM +1100, Dave Horsfall wrote: On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Scott Bennett wrote: Ah. So the troll didn't really expect *anybody* reasonably to have provided support. It just wanted something to bitch about on this list. It should go back to the bit bucket it came from. Procmail is your friend. Something like: # # Well-known AOL troll on FreeBSD. # :0: * ^From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to instead block Tm[0-9]+ because he likes to change his address every few weeks [1]. Kris [1] Perhaps the counter reflects the number of times his AOL account has been deleted. pgptypUANWmgX.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Kris Kennaway wrote: You need to instead block Tm[0-9]+ because he likes to change his address every few weeks [1]. Ah, thanks; filter updated accordingly :-) [1] Perhaps the counter reflects the number of times his AOL account has been deleted. Indeed, PS: cable.rogers.com filter now removed; they had a *bad* spamming problem a while back, but now the infected boxes are now more-or-less permanently listed in the various DNSBLs. -- Dave ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boris Spirialitious Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD One system cost me 3 months salary in Russia. Is this how you treat your users? Why can't your developer use the machine they used to make 5.3 work? YOU are not PAYING the FreeBSD developers to develop for your particular SuperMicro motherboard. If you were, then you would have a leg to stand on. Since you are not purchasing FreeBSD, there does NOT exist any kind of implied warranty or fitness for merchantability between the developers and you, and therefore the developers don't owe you anything. Everyone tell me to use LINUX. Now I know why. You support bad slow version and not good one. Very stupid people. Unless you were paying RedHat or another Linux distributor the situation is exactly the same there as well. I would guess that if -I- had one of these motherboards that I would have no problems running FreeBSD on it. So far I've not heard anything specific from anyone on how it works more slowly on SuperMicro boards. For all we know the people seeing it run slow are running beta copies that were compiled with all the debugging code turned on, or they are running the GENERIC kernel instead of custom-compiling their own. I should also point out as well that FreeBSD 5.X is probably going to be slower in any case than FreeBSD 4.X simply because the kernel does more so it's bigger. FreeBSD 4.X was slower than 3.X and 3.X was slower than 2.X, and so on. All of this was because the demand from the userbase is for more and more features to be added into FreeBSD over the years, not fewer and fewer features. And adding more features to software makes it bigger, and bigger code runs slower in general because there's more instructions for the procesor to go through. All of this of course is relative since many parts of FreeBSD 5 are more efficient than 4 - and if your software app happens to use one of those bits a lot, then it's going to run faster. But if your software apps use bits of FreeBSD that in 4.X were already optimal, then you probably won't see a speed increase. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 4:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD In a message dated 1/4/05 11:50:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can be done? Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. Ted Do you really have no contacts at SM or Dell? What kind of a development org has no contacts with major vendors? It's not a question of not having contacts. It's a question of actually defining the problem in a way that a developer can get a fix on it. Currently, this is done with the PR mechanism on FreeBSD.org. Doing a search of this shows only PR i386/72579, which claims FreeBSD 4.X doesen't work at all on this chipset, which is contrary to what the OP was saying. I would assume if the OP actually read the instructions in the handbook about how to go about filing a good bug report that they might possibly get some assistance. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can be done? Will OpenBSD have the same problem? I really want to use FreeBSD. Boris - Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Boris Spirialitious Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:25 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Supermicro Hardware and FreeBSD None of the new Supermicro hardware I've tried works with Freebsd 4.10 properly. I've seen that this has been reported by others. They are all based on the 7520 and 7530 Intel chips. 5.3 works ok, but a 3.4/800 processor on 5.3 is slower than a 3.06/533 processor on our old 7502 chipset based system with 4.9. What can be done? Donate one of the systems to a FreeBSD kernel developer. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
