Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On 11/12/2011 5:22 PM, Polytropon wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:23:35 -0500, Allen wrote: I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read them. I'd recommend Just for Fun, A Quarter Century of Unix and also the DVD 25 Years of Berkeley Unix, and a few others mentioned already. For more details about SysV and explaination of historical contexts I may append: The magic garden explained. The internals of UNIX System 5 release 4. by Benny Goodheart James Cox. Ja Wohl! There's a BUNCH of books that explain the Historical aspect to Unix, Linux, and BSD in general, and currently, I've got quite a few. Just for Fun was the one I was talking about where Linus said he basically wanted it to beWell, I guess what FreeBSD is now. The Documentary Revolution OS is another thing to add to the list of what you can watch to learn about this. I have Revolution OS and it's a great documentary for learning how the Linux and FOSS side of things got started. The BSD part of things, has a GREAT speech by Kirk who is currently on the FreeBSD Core, so, between the fact that he's a core member, and of course the fact that he shared an office with Bill Joy, and, was one of the first people porting things for BSD while he was still at Berkeley, I think he's got a very Unique ability to tell the story. You can watch the DVD 20 Years of Berkeley Unix which you can order from his web site, as well as from BSDmall. I have it on DVD too, and it's wonderful. He starts out talking about the History of Multi User systems, and then goes into the History of Unix a little, and then, gets the History of BSD going. He then takes questions from the Audience and answers them. He's got a GREAT sense of Humor, and my Wife and I watch this all the time. He's really funny, and makes you want to watch it. So, basically, for Documentaries, you have Revolution OS, and the DVD by Kirk, and then in the books area, you have Just for Fun and A Quarter Century of Unix that will explain basically every aspect of the Historical side of things. I'd recommend both books, and both videos to anyone. I'm interested in History, so these were obvious buys for me. Also of interest, is The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey. He does a wonderful job with those books. I have the Third edition I got when I bought The BSD PowerPak from a Best Buy Electronics store which came with FreeBSD 4.0, and the Tool Kit CDs, and then I bought the 4th Edition Book by itself from FreeBSDMall, and they go into some decent detail on Unix, BSD, and even some info about DOS. Buy those if you can. The books are a bit pricey, but well worth it. -Allen ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On 10/31/2011 3:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System V, Um, no BSD was a version of Unix that was done at Berkeley. They were one of the first Universities to REALLY get work done with Unix adding things that we all now take for granted (Vi, TCP/IP, more) and basically came out with this BSD which was in very high demand and VERY popular. It, in my mind, was better than the ATT Unix. Linux uses System V style Init. It's BASED on SunOS. Linus Torvalds said that when he started working on Linux, his reason for doing so, was that he wanted to run on HIS computer, the same thing he had been using at the University, which, was SunOS. He said his early inspiration for Linux was SunOS. Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... Linux should include new technologies, or why not?, Is that Linux includes more new hardware, but I mean as is within management technologies, security, etc. .. PD: I know that BSD is more secure, stable and fast, although in relation to performance, ports are not very fast. I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read them. I'd recommend Just for Fun, A Quarter Century of Unix and also the DVD 25 Years of Berkeley Unix, and a few others mentioned already. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Allen unix.hac...@comcast.net wrote: On 10/31/2011 3:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System V, Um, no BSD was a version of Unix that was done at Berkeley. They were one of the first Universities to REALLY get work done with Unix adding things that we all now take for granted (Vi, TCP/IP, more) and basically came out with this BSD which was in very high demand and VERY popular. It, in my mind, was better than the ATT Unix. Linux uses System V style Init. It's BASED on SunOS. Linus Torvalds said that when he started working on Linux, his reason for doing so, was that he wanted to run on HIS computer, the same thing he had been using at the University, which, was SunOS. He said his early inspiration for Linux was SunOS. Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... Yes, but I guess that Linus probably used early versions of SunOS 4 which were not only BSD-based, but also not yet SysV-ied. -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
Hello. 2011/11/12 10:05:19 +0100 C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws = To Allen : CPG Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... CPG CPG Yes, but I guess that Linus probably used early versions of SunOS 4 CPG which were not only BSD-based, but also not yet SysV-ied. According to Just for fun book, he was taking functions from the SunOS functions reference and implementing them from scratch but according to that specs. -- Peter Vereshagin pe...@vereshagin.org (http://vereshagin.org) pgp: A0E26627 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 03:23:35 -0500, Allen wrote: I'm going to go ahead and agree with the other replies on here and say you should REALLY get some History books on Unix / Linux / BSD, and read them. I'd recommend Just for Fun, A Quarter Century of Unix and also the DVD 25 Years of Berkeley Unix, and a few others mentioned already. For more details about SysV and explaination of historical contexts I may append: The magic garden explained. The internals of UNIX System 5 release 4. by Benny Goodheart James Cox. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
C. P. Ghost cpgh...@cordula.ws wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Allen unix.hac...@comcast.net wrote: ... Linux uses System V style Init. It's BASED on SunOS. Linus Torvalds said that when he started working on Linux, his reason for doing so, was that he wanted to run on HIS computer, the same thing he had been using at the University, which, was SunOS. He said his early inspiration for Linux was SunOS. Just because it uses System V init doesn't mean it's actually based on it... Yes, but I guess that Linus probably used early versions of SunOS 4 which were not only BSD-based, but also not yet SysV-ied. If the inspiration for Linux was SunOS, it had to have been one of SunOS 3.x, SunOS 4.x aka Solaris 1.x, or SunOS 5.x aka Solaris 2.x. * SunOS 3.x and 4.x are ports of BSD 4.2 and/or 4.3 to Sun hardware. * SunOS 5.x is a port of System V Release 4 to Sun hardware -- and SVR4 was supposed to be the integration of BSD with the ATT code base (although there's wide belief that BSD got the short end of the stick). Either way that leaves Linux as inspired by BSD, directly or indirectly. Whatever the inspiration, my understanding is that the detailed _specification_ came from SysV -- the original Linux having been Linus' independent reimplementation of the System V Interface Definition -- and that's the reason for it having used the SysV initialization approach. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System V, Linux should include new technologies, or why not?, Is that Linux includes more new hardware, but I mean as is within management technologies, security, etc. .. PD: I know that BSD is more secure, stable and fast, although in relation to performance, ports are not very fast. Zantgo___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:50:11 -0300, Zantgo wrote: I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System V, Linux should include new technologies, or why not?, Is that Linux includes more new hardware, but I mean as is within management technologies, security, etc. .. Compage to The UNIX system family tree: Research and BSD found in /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree on your local installation. Also keep in mind that while FreeBSD has a concept of the operating system and ported applications / 3rd party software, Linux does not have such a differentiation, so it's a bit complicated of comparing just the OSes to each other. Things like security and hardware support have their basics within the kernel, those are abstracted by libraries; some of them are part of the OS, others are provided by additional software. PD: I know that BSD is more secure, stable and fast, although in relation to performance, ports are not very fast. I don't think so. It's possible that ports, compiled for the architecture in use, as well with using optimizations that are not part of the default settings (with which the packages are made) can benefit _faster_ operations of ports vs. packages. An example is mplayer, when compiled for older systems: Here flags depending on the CPU actually in use can help. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: What are the technical differences between Linux and BSD?
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:50:11 -0300, Zantgo zan...@gmail.com the village idiot, wrote I mean, like BSD is based on the original UNIX, and Linux on System V, FALSE TO FACT. Linux should include new technologies, or why not?, Is that Linux includes more new hardware, but I mean as is within management technologies, security, etc. .. PD: I know that BSD is more secure, stable and fast, although in relation to performance, ports are not very fast. You don't know what you don't know, and are in error about most of what you think you _do_ know. You would be well advised to read a number of the 'classical' reference books about Unix: The Design of the Unix Operating System The Design of the BSD 4.4 Operating System Unix System Administration Handbook are a good set to start with. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
