RE: What replaces csup?

2012-09-20 Thread Doug Sampson
I also find portsnap slower than either csup or svn. That surprises me. Once the initial download and extract is done, I find portsnap fetch update to be miles faster than csup. However, each to his own, I suppose. +1 ___

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread Stas Verberkt
mer...@stonehenge.com schreef op : Stas == Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl writes: Stas On a side note, using Git does mean that everyone has to download a complete Stas repository. This makes using a csup-like architecture quite Stas heavy-weight. The entire history of the Linux kernel

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread pete wright
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, pete wright wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: csup updates just the files that have changed without all the overhead. svn export can get a copy of all

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread pete wright
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:44 AM, Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl wrote: Jerry schreef op : On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:00:08 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:26:45 -0600, Warren Block wrote: For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with using SVN for src, and portsnap for ports?

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread Robert Huff
Walter Hurry writes: PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with using SVN for src, and portsnap for ports? _Wrong_? Nothing. But a lot of people like the idea of using the same tool to solve nearly identical problems. Your experience may diverga.

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread Warren Block
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012, Walter Hurry wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:26:45 -0600, Warren Block wrote: For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. PMFJI. Newbie here: What's wrong with

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread pete wright
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 21:26:45 -0600, Warren Block wrote: For ports, it's probably worth saving the distfile directory along with local diffs. Move it back into place after the svn checkout of the ports tree. PMFJI.

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-19 Thread Walter Hurry
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 16:18:02 -0600, Warren Block wrote: I also find portsnap slower than either csup or svn. That surprises me. Once the initial download and extract is done, I find portsnap fetch update to be miles faster than csup. However, each to his own, I suppose.

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Stas Verberkt
Warren Block schreef op : The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. Although I believe the checkouts are bigger, I do not think they have all the commit history. This is where SVN

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Michael Sierchio
We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. ;-) - M On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Stas

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:00:08 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Mark Felder
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 07:00:08 -0500, Michael Sierchio ku...@tenebras.com wrote: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Stas Verberkt
Jerry schreef op : On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:00:08 -0700 Michael Sierchio articulated: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Arthur Chance
On 09/18/12 13:00, Michael Sierchio wrote: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git. ;-)

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Warren Block
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012, Stas Verberkt wrote: Warren Block schreef op : The difference is that a local svn checkout has all the commit history. A comparison recently showed 700-some megabytes more space used by the svn checkout. Although I believe the checkouts are bigger, I do not think they

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, pete wright wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: csup updates just the files that have changed without all the overhead. svn export can get a copy of all the current files, but it copies all of them every time, not just the

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Jerry
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 14:44:46 +0200 Stas Verberkt articulated: We should not be forgetting that Git and Subversion represent two different workflows. The latter stands for a centralistic development cycle, and the former for a distributed manner. Thus, this type of choice does not really

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Robert Huff
Warren Block writes: You're right. 'svn blame', for instance, retrieves the history from the repository. So it's not as bad as it could be... but that 700M number was from a ports tree checkout. My source checkout shows 869M in .svn. That's a pretty large chunk of bandwidth for

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Stas == Stas Verberkt lego...@legolasweb.nl writes: Stas On a side note, using Git does mean that everyone has to download a complete Stas repository. This makes using a csup-like architecture quite Stas heavy-weight. The entire history of the Linux kernel since switching to git 5 years ago is

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-18 Thread Tijl Coosemans
On 18-09-2012 14:00, Michael Sierchio wrote: We are really behind the curve here. Git assumes (correctly) that disk space is inexpensive, much cheaper per byte than network bandwidth. By the time we adopt SVN completely, every serious project I know of will have moved from subversion to git.

What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Paul Schmehl
Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility analogous to csup for fetching source? Is that utility available for 8.3? (I'm assuming subversion will become part of base in 9.x.) -- Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions are my own and not

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Julian H. Stacey
Hi, Reference: From: Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com Reply-to: Paul Schmehl pschmehl_li...@tx.rr.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500 Message-id: D97788AE24B7FFB0C79AA6FB@localhost Paul Schmehl wrote: Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Walter Hurry
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility analogous to csup for fetching source? Is that utility available for 8.3? (I'm assuming subversion will become part of base in 9.x.) 9.1-RC1 here. Subversion is still in ports at the

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On September 17, 2012 11:23:09 PM + Walter Hurry walterhu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 09:45:23 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: Now that we're switching to svn, is there a utility analogous to csup for fetching source? Is that utility available for 8.3? (I'm assuming subversion

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Robert Huff
Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of identifying what files need to be fetched and

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On September 17, 2012 8:42:33 PM -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and subversion serve the same function using different methods (both in terms of

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread Warren Block
On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On September 17, 2012 8:42:33 PM -0400 Robert Huff roberth...@rcn.com wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and

Re: What replaces csup?

2012-09-17 Thread pete wright
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012, Robert Huff wrote: Paul Schmehl writes: Does csup use subversion now? Or do we need to use something else to fetch source? As I understand it, for the average user c(vs)up and