Re: Whic mail server?
2009/9/28 Karl Vogel vogelke+u...@pobox.com vogelke%2bu...@pobox.com On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com said: A I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only A internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail... First things first: if you're happy with Sendmail and your system works to your satisfaction, I'd leave it be. Just watch your logs and keep an eye out for security patches. A I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. There are fanboys on all three sides of that question (yes, no, and qmail bites, use this-other-MTA instead). I switched from sendmail to qmail on a server because I had an odd corner case that qmail happened to handle just about perfectly. I also botched a qmail install on my own workstation, didn't feel like finding out what I did wrong, and decided to install Postfix instead. I've had fine experiences with both qmail and Postfix. If you're using a system that's a little under-powered, you might appreciate Dr. Bernstein's efforts to make qmail and its supporting tools *very* frugal with OS resources. If you're used to the sendmail way of doing things, you'd probably be better off with Postfix. I like Dr. Bernstein's programming approach, but be prepared to spend time getting used to his way of setting up network daemons, etc. It's internally consistent but *very* different. It takes me 30-40 minutes to install all of the qmail stuff from source because I've done it at least 6 or 7 times; I could probably cut that in half if I didn't save build and installation outputs for my logs. My first time took most of a weekend to figure out what was going on. A Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? I tried SA a few years ago, and it was a little heavy-weight for my filtering needs. I use a simple Bayesian filter (ifile) trained on around 100,000 spams plus some procmail rules, and I get along fine. Your mileage will vary. I saw some other comments: Qmail is not, nor has it been, actively supported for years. Depends on what you mean by support. The user community is very active; have a look at http://www.ornl.gov/lists/mailing-lists/qmail/ if you doubt it. OTOH, said community can be a bit, um, brusque, but the Qmail Handbook and the Life with Qmail webpage filled in the blanks for me. Qmail has a very limited set of features... It's intended to handle one problem well, which it does. If you have some other requirements, http://www.qmail.org/ probably has a plugin that will do what you want. OK, now let's settle which text editor is best. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company They say marriages are made in heaven. So is thunder and lightning. --Clint Eastwood ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org exim is worth a look, it scales very well and is fairly easy to understand. I also has a very powerful acl language for filtering and plugs directly into lots of av/anti spam stuff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you Hello Aflatoon Aflatooni: Are you running Sendmail on FreeBSD ? If yes, what issue are you facing ? and what did you read ? thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 06:01:22AM -0700, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? No, sendmail is as good or better, especially in a situation such as you describe.Some people believe that sendmail can be hard to configure, and it is a little arcane to do it directly in the sendmail.cf file. But there are things that help nowdays. Anyway, if you already have it configured and working your are past that already. Most of the things these others complain about being to complicated are more exotic and special-cased stuff. Then they become religious zealots about their favorites. Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Learn to use procmail. jerry Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 09:49:37AM -0400, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 06:01:22AM -0700, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? No, sendmail is as good or better, especially in a situation such as you describe.Some people believe that sendmail can be hard to configure, and it is a little arcane to do it directly in the sendmail.cf file. But there are things that help nowdays. Anyway, if you already have it configured and working your are past that already. Most of the things these others complain about being to complicated are more exotic and special-cased stuff. Then they become religious zealots about their favorites. Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Learn to use procmail. Sorry, I meant to say spamassasin + procmail jerry jerry Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sep 27, 2009, at 8:01 AM, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. If you have no compelling reason to switch from sendmail, stick with that. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. My personal favorites in order are exim postfix sendmail carrier pigeons messages in bottles qmail smoke signals ... MS Exchange ... whatever system dogs use when they smell each others' excrement. ... Lotus Notes You can't go wrong with the first three: exim, postfix, and sendmail. There are reasons why I have the preferences that I do, but they don't apply to you or your needs. So unless you are having problems with sendmail, just stay with that. Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? There are many ways to integrate spam-assassin and sendmail, and they will all be in the ports system. Look at mail/spamass-milter Another approach (not using milters) is a spamassassin+procmail solution. I prefer the milter as it allows you to reject mail early in the process. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberghttp://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Thanks, I am running Sendmail on FreeBSD and it is working. I have worked with Sendmail for years and have configured and using it successfully, but with sendmail there is so many things that you could configure you are not sure if you have it configured correctly. I generate my sendmail.cf using m4 and it works, but I find that there are always new changes that you need to stay on top of. Is there a recommended mc file for running a Sendmail mail server? I am also using procmail as well. Thanks - Original Message From: Saifi Khan saifi.k...@datasynergy.org To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 7:38:06 AM Subject: Re: Whic mail server? On Sun, 27 Sep 2009, Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you Hello Aflatoon Aflatooni: Are you running Sendmail on FreeBSD ? If yes, what issue are you facing ? and what did you read ? thanks Saifi. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Whic mail server?
Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Thank you This is, of course, my own personal bias here but I wouldn't touch qmail with a ten foot pole. I know many have used it successfully and been happy with it. It is very easy to begin with a single domain for local delivery to configure sendmail as per the instructions in the Handbook. Postfix is designed to be a drop in replacement for Sendmail, and for a simple Sendmail already configured, Postfix will just take over and work when installed. Additions such as MySQL for virtual domains and users, spamd, etc., can then be plugged in to the basic setup one at a time. There is a pretty fair amount of documentation in the Postfix world for such things. If you are looking to change out Sendmail my vote would be Postfix as it is easier to build on and build up from the setup you're currently using. However, I'd like to point out if you have only one mail server you probably should do this on a second duplicate machine and then once it is proved to work properly swap them. There is a pretty good chance if you only have one mail server you're going to take it down while mucking about. -Mike ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT) Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail is not, nor has it been, actively supported for years. Personally, I use Postfix. Is is far easier IMHO to configure that Sendmail and it is actively supported. The developer regularly answers questions on the Postfix forum. Amavisd-new http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/ works fine with Postfix. You might want to stay away from MailScanner http://www.mailscanner.info/ though. The Postfix author discourages its use and Postfix does not support it. -- Jerry ges...@yahoo.com Every cloud has a silver lining; you should have sold it, and bought titanium. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni wrote: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail has a very limited set of features, it is simple efficient and pretty easy to setup, and has a track record as a secure alternative to sendmail. Postfix I think is the flexible and popular alternative to sendmail. It supports most if not all of sendmail features and easily integrates with a number of filtering solutions as well as imap and ldap servers. BR, Erik -- Erik Nørgaard Ph: +34.666334818/+34.915211157 http://www.locolomo.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? I wouldn't ever recommend changing mail servers if you have a working setup that you're satisfied with. spamassassin works well with pretty much any MTA, as far as I'm aware. -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail is old. And there is no maintainer for qmail. How about Postfix? Personally i'm running Postfix on three FreeBSD box. Sincerely, -- But I can see you don't take me seriously. -- Tom Hagen, Chapter 1, page 61 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
I personally prefer postfix too. It seems to be a relieable program, setting it up is easier then sendmail. It also integrates well with mailman (for the case you want to host mailing lists). Some basic comparison: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_mail_servers Cheers herb langhans On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:25:04AM +0900, ?? wrote: Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com writes: Hi, I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail, but reading on other discussions I noticed that qmail and other programs are suggested. I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. Is there a matrix of features and functionalities that would compare the different mail servers? Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? Qmail is old. And there is no maintainer for qmail. How about Postfix? Personally i'm running Postfix on three FreeBSD box. Sincerely, -- But I can see you don't take me seriously. -- Tom Hagen, Chapter 1, page 61 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
Yes. What about bogofilter. This port is smart, I always wonder how intelligent it dedects spam, just by the content. Even works with Chinese messages.. Setting it up requires some time and patience (its a filter what plugs in at procmail). But its small and efficient, ideal for mailservers. http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/ Cheers herb langhans Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? -- sprachtraining langhans herbert langhans, warschau http://www.langhans.com.pl herbert dot raimund at gmx dot net +0048 603 341 441 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On 9/27/2009 10:06 AM, herbert langhans wrote: Yes. What about bogofilter. This port is smart, I always wonder how intelligent it dedects spam, just by the content. Even works with Chinese messages.. Setting it up requires some time and patience (its a filter what plugs in at procmail). But its small and efficient, ideal for mailservers. http://bogofilter.sourceforge.net/ Cheers herb langhans Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? dspam works very well for me across several sites ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Whic mail server?
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 06:01:22 -0700 (PDT), Aflatoon Aflatooni aaflato...@yahoo.com said: A I am running a server that is acting as the mail server for only A internal users (about 50 users). Currently we are running Sendmail... First things first: if you're happy with Sendmail and your system works to your satisfaction, I'd leave it be. Just watch your logs and keep an eye out for security patches. A I am wondering if qmail is thought to be better than sendmail. There are fanboys on all three sides of that question (yes, no, and qmail bites, use this-other-MTA instead). I switched from sendmail to qmail on a server because I had an odd corner case that qmail happened to handle just about perfectly. I also botched a qmail install on my own workstation, didn't feel like finding out what I did wrong, and decided to install Postfix instead. I've had fine experiences with both qmail and Postfix. If you're using a system that's a little under-powered, you might appreciate Dr. Bernstein's efforts to make qmail and its supporting tools *very* frugal with OS resources. If you're used to the sendmail way of doing things, you'd probably be better off with Postfix. I like Dr. Bernstein's programming approach, but be prepared to spend time getting used to his way of setting up network daemons, etc. It's internally consistent but *very* different. It takes me 30-40 minutes to install all of the qmail stuff from source because I've done it at least 6 or 7 times; I could probably cut that in half if I didn't save build and installation outputs for my logs. My first time took most of a weekend to figure out what was going on. A Any suggestions on spam filters like spam-assassin? I tried SA a few years ago, and it was a little heavy-weight for my filtering needs. I use a simple Bayesian filter (ifile) trained on around 100,000 spams plus some procmail rules, and I get along fine. Your mileage will vary. I saw some other comments: Qmail is not, nor has it been, actively supported for years. Depends on what you mean by support. The user community is very active; have a look at http://www.ornl.gov/lists/mailing-lists/qmail/ if you doubt it. OTOH, said community can be a bit, um, brusque, but the Qmail Handbook and the Life with Qmail webpage filled in the blanks for me. Qmail has a very limited set of features... It's intended to handle one problem well, which it does. If you have some other requirements, http://www.qmail.org/ probably has a plugin that will do what you want. OK, now let's settle which text editor is best. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company They say marriages are made in heaven. So is thunder and lightning. --Clint Eastwood ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
