Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-19 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-10-18 18:31, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry McAllister writes: I'd much rather that a RELEASE version is as stable as it can reasonably be made than that it arrives on time. Yup. I think that is the way all of us feel. I don't think many will argue, at least not loudly.

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-18 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-10-17 18:20, Gueven Bay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the share holders not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year. happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-18 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:26:28PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Traditionally, BSD has released stuff when it was ready and not when some marketting team decided that they wanted to release. The FreeBSD team has made genuine efforts towards changing this to a more timely release schedule

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:26:28PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-10-17 18:20, Gueven Bay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the share holders not to mention that microsoft

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-18 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 12:09:02PM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 10:26:28PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Traditionally, BSD has released stuff when it was ready and not when some marketting team decided that they wanted to release. The FreeBSD team has made

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-18 Thread Robert Huff
Jerry McAllister writes: I'd much rather that a RELEASE version is as stable as it can reasonably be made than that it arrives on time. Yup. I think that is the way all of us feel. I don't think many will argue, at least not loudly. However ... many also have bad

Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Albert Shih
Hi all Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html is alway very optimist. But this time it's almost 5 mounth (annonced june 2007). I've see somewhere it's because 7.0 come with gcc 4.2 and many ports don't

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, Albert Shih wrote: Hi all Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html is alway very optimist. But this time it's almost 5 mounth (annonced june 2007). while companies like Microsoft must publish in time

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Albert Shih
Le 17/10/2007 à 22:25:33+0800, Erich Dollansky a écrit Hi, Albert Shih wrote: Hi all Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html is alway very optimist. But this time it's almost 5 mounth (annonced june

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html is alway very optimist. late for whom? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Wojciech Puchar
while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the share holders not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year. happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the programmers are convinced that their work is good enough for the public. Erich

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Gueven Bay
2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the share holders not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year. happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the programmers are convinced that their work is good

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Bill Moran
In response to Gueven Bay [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/10/17, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: while companies like Microsoft must publish in time to make the share holders not to mention that microsoft regularly has delays like year. happy, FreeBSD can afford to wait until the

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Ivan Voras
Gueven Bay wrote: So, but the original question was : What is not working _now_ at this moment so that 7 cannot be released _now_ ? I can think of several issues of the top of my head: - rt_check bug in network routing causes panics under certain circumnstances (my favorite) - ZFS relatively

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Bob Johnson
On 10/17/07, Albert Shih [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html is alway very optimist. But this time it's almost 5 mounth (annonced june 2007). I've see somewhere it's

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Moretti Filippo
Wojciech Puchar scrive: Anyone known why this time the release of 7.0 is so late ? In generaly the date on http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html If you read carefully it says start releasing process,it is not the same as to say this is a releasing date. sincerely Filippo PS you can

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 07:28:35PM +0200, Ivan Voras wrote: Gueven Bay wrote: So, but the original question was : What is not working _now_ at this moment so that 7 cannot be released _now_ ? I can think of several issues of the top of my head: - rt_check bug in network routing

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Ivan Voras
On 17/10/2007, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are just many of us who would like a little more ongoing information on how it is going - such as what you give above, plus maybe an occasional guess update. You can get all that information by monitoring the developer mailing

Re: Why 7.0 is so late ?

2007-10-17 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 08:39:44PM +0200, Ivan Voras wrote: On 17/10/2007, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are just many of us who would like a little more ongoing information on how it is going - such as what you give above, plus maybe an occasional guess update. You