RE: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the relativeadvantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory 3.5GB not used?))

2007-04-28 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt


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 On 27/04/07, Bart Silverstrim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  We don't devote time and
  resources into being renaissance people.
 
 Human intelligence is hardly limited in that regard.
 While I do not subscribe to the Colin Wilson theory,
 the vast majority of people contain so little information
 it is quite shameful, and the less you learn the harder
 it is to learn.
 
 These arguments about ethics show how truly shallow
 ethicists bother to think.  Wikipedia is a daycare centre
 which has given out a nearly unlimited number of crayons
 and is now complaining about children drawing on the
 walls.  It is also a fairly plain example of the cliche of the
 inmates running the asylum.  To assign scholarly status
 and impute scholarly ethics on such a nonsensical rubbish
 pile is as silly as taking my arguments here as more than
 the ranting of a deranged keyboard jockey.
 
 What that purported professor did is no more unethical
 than crapping in somone else's toilet, and to claim other-
 wise is to elevate it to a king's throne.
 
 Once wikipedia (and its ilk) begin to systematically vet
 contributors for expertise and seriously review articles
 against fact we can nail them to the wall for political bias.
 

Wikipedia won't, mainly because there's another competing web
encyclopedia out there that is taking this approach.

However, you sound like you have a case of sour grapes, and you
definitely don't sound like you have read much on Wikipedia.

The true value of Wikipedia is that it can deal with controversial
subjects.  Take abortion, for example.  Reading
about it in a peer reviewed encyclopedia, if you didn't know
dick about it, you would wonder what all the controversy was about -
because those entries are completely stripped out of all loaded
phrases and emotion.

The same goes with the 2000 US Presidential election.  A huge number
of people, possibly the majority in the country, believe that there
were dirty tricks and that the election was stolen.  But, you won't
get any sense of that at all reading about it in the Encyclopedia
Britannica.

I couldn't read the online entries about either of those topics in
a peer-reviewed encyclopedia and even end up knowing where to go to
find each sides wacko-rediculous statements, and without reading any
of that stuff there's no way anyone can understand how unsolvable
that issues like that are.

Wikipedia is one of the best starting platforms out there on subjects.
Naturally, you don't take it as canonical.  But, it is going to suggest
avenues of research that the official stuff won't.  For example, look
up operation freakout and operation snow white in Wikipedia, and
look them up in an official encyclopedia.  Quite an amazing difference,
there.

Ted
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Re: Wikipedia's perfection (was Re: Discussion of the relativeadvantages/disadvantages of PAE (was Re: Memory 3.5GB not used?))

2007-04-28 Thread Thomas Dickey
On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 02:10:16AM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
 The true value of Wikipedia is that it can deal with controversial
 subjects.  ...

on the other hand, for some instances it doesn't _deal_ with controversial
subjects, but only reflects the most common opinion.  Currently(*) the only
way to see what's going on is to examine the history of changes to a given
page, taking into account that since the updaters are anonymous there's
no guarantee that one can relate their opinions to facts.

(*) is there a guarantee that the change history will remain?  If not,
at that point one may as well delete wikipedia.

-- 
Thomas E. Dickey
http://invisible-island.net
ftp://invisible-island.net


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