Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
Well quoted. -David On 5/1/06, Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 00:09 +0300, Iantcho Vassilev wrote: incompetent idiots. quote What do you think about it? It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt. -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 10:04:22PM -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt. Given the tone of the recent discussions, it's apparent you're referring to the comments on this list. -- Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net pgp12YPLPmU46.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
On May 1, 2006, at 3:21 AM, Thomas Dickey wrote: On Sun, Apr 30, 2006 at 10:04:22PM -0700, Frank Mayhar wrote: It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt. Given the tone of the recent discussions, it's apparent you're referring to the comments on this list. Or maybe Torvalds? Chad --- Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Your Web App and Email hosting provider chad at shire.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
The GPL that's on Linux is far more of a downside than any VM games. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Iantcho Vassilev Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 2:09 PM To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; FreeBSD Questions Subject: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger caches will only continue to drive that point home. What do you think about it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger caches will only continue to drive that point home. What do you think about it? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 12:09:29AM +0300, Iantcho Vassilev wrote.. Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger caches will only continue to drive that point home. What do you think about it? That you are a bit late in discovering this one ;) Enough time has been wasted on it, at least on the project-internal lists, so please let it rest. -- Wilko Bulte [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
The implementation is 7 years old, not used by default, and was intended for a specific application. There really isn't much to say. -Kip On 4/30/06, Iantcho Vassilev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger caches will only continue to drive that point home. What do you think about it? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
My first impression was as of Kip... But i think Linus attitude isn`t very perfect The big guy is showing muscles... On 5/1/06, Kip Macy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The implementation is 7 years old, not used by default, and was intended for a specific application. There really isn't much to say. -Kip On 4/30/06, Iantcho Vassilev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger caches will only continue to drive that point home. What do you think about it? ___ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
Iantcho Vassilev wrote: Hello guys, in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and particulary this: I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots. Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger caches will only continue to drive that point home. What do you think about it? I claim that Linus is an attention whore. How about that? Scott ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
From: Scott Long [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Iantcho Vassilev wrote:
Hello guys,
in bsdnews.com i found this link http://kerneltrap.org/node/6506 and
particulary this:
I claim that Mach people (and apparently FreeBSD) are incompetent idiots.
Playing games with VM is bad. memory copies are _also_ bad, but quite
frankly, memory copies often have _less_ downside than VM games, and bigger
caches will only continue to drive that point home.
What do you think about it?
I claim that Linus is an attention whore. How about that?
Whether or not he is makes no difference. The context of that statement
involves somebody asking why Linux does not have Zero Copy when BSD does.
It seems, correctly or not, he believes the Mach people DO use Zero
Copy still and given the question (and apparently FreeBSD) fit the
answer. It's been observed here that Linus got it wrong about FreeBSD
using Zero Copy even though it is (apparently from this discussion)
still available. But then, it's not worth his time to actually track
what FreeBSD is doing. He's concentrating on Linux, which makes sense.
I'd not expect the equivalent FreeBSD people to be up on all the
nuances of Linux, either.
So rather than trying to make a huge flame war about this how about you
just drop it. It makes no difference to the world here if Linus IS an
attention whore or not. He's not HERE and he's not DEMANDING attention
from anyone here. So let's just drop it rather than be drips about it.
{^_^} Joanne
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Re: Zero Copy, FreeBSD and Linus Torvalds opinion
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 00:09 +0300, Iantcho Vassilev wrote: incompetent idiots. quote What do you think about it? It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak, and remove all doubt. -- Frank Mayhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.exit.com/ Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/ http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
