Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-28 Thread Kai Grossjohann
Chuck Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One way is to put your local changes into files/patch-aa [1] using diff format. Other times it's as simple as defining some environment variables by passing them into make, via /etc/make.conf, etc. But what happens to the file files/patch-aa after I do

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-27 Thread Chuck Swiger
Kai Grossjohann wrote: Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, yes. The first time you run into a problem and fix it yourself, or make a change to the programs to add some feature that you want, you will discover the serious advantages. However, if you never try to fix bugs or write code for

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-26 Thread Kai Grossjohann
Charles Swiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, yes. The first time you run into a problem and fix it yourself, or make a change to the programs to add some feature that you want, you will discover the serious advantages. However, if you never try to fix bugs or write code for yourself, then

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-19 Thread Patrick Useldinger
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Before I answer to this question, I cannot help noting that you don't *HAVE* to compile everything from source. In fact, if you install a RELEASE version of FreeBSD and use pkg_add to install the binary, precompiled packages of just the applications you are going to

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-19 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-06-19 10:58, Patrick Useldinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Before I answer to this question, I cannot help noting that you don't *HAVE* to compile everything from source. In fact, if you install a RELEASE version of FreeBSD and use pkg_add to install the

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-19 Thread Robert Huff
Patrick Useldinger writes: True for the CDs. But once you want to upgrade, things get more complicated. For example, I did not find a package for OpenOffice 1.1.1 in the offical places, although OO is certainly an excellent candidate for a package. If you have not found in

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-19 Thread Patrick Useldinger
Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Indeed, packages-4-stable, packages-4.10-release on ftp.freebsd.org don't include openoffice. A search at google though yields: http://projects.imp.ch/openoffice/ which does list FreeBSD packages of OO-1.0.3 and OO-1.1.0 :-) Which is not 1.1.1 or the latest 1.1.2.

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-19 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-06-19 17:59, Patrick Useldinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Giorgos Keramidas wrote: Is it possible to satisfy all the users with precompiled packages? No. My argument is the other way round: build a package will *all* available options. It will be bloated, but still smaller (in

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-19 Thread Geert Hendrickx
On the other hand, the OpenBSD-people advise using packages instead of ports. See http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#PortsvsPkgs I guess it's just a matter of personal taste and needs. GH On Sat, Jun 19, 2004 at 05:11:22PM +0300, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2004-06-19 10:58, Patrick

any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Patrick Useldinger
Hi all, I must say that I was initially interested in the idea of building software from source - but I am kind of loosing it. Certainly, it allows you to compile with the compiler options you want, you are able to optimize the binaries for your CPU, but: does it really matter? Are the speed

any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Patrick Useldinger
Hi all, I must say that I was initially interested in the idea of building software from source - but I am kind of loosing it. Certainly, it allows you to compile with the compiler options you want, you are able to optimize the binaries for your CPU, but: does it really matter? Are the speed

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Parv
in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Patrick Useldinger thusly... (Building from source) allows you to compile with the compiler options you want, you are able to optimize the binaries for your CPU, but: does it really matter? Are the speed improvements really visible? I haven't run any

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2004-06-18 20:38, Patrick Useldinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, my question is basically: did you, in your experience, find that compiling from source *really* has any serious advantages that make up for the time it takes? Before I answer to this question, I cannot help noting that you

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Bill Moran
Parv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote Patrick Useldinger thusly... (Building from source) allows you to compile with the compiler options you want, you are able to optimize the binaries for your CPU, but: does it really matter? Are the speed improvements

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Charles Swiger
On Jun 18, 2004, at 2:29 PM, Patrick Useldinger wrote: Certainly, it allows you to compile with the compiler options you want, you are able to optimize the binaries for your CPU, but: does it really matter? Are the speed improvements really visible? Tweaking the compiler flags and targetting

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Geert Hendrickx
Optimization and speed are indeed an arguable advantage of compiling from source, but another GREAT advantage is the possibility of setting compile-time options and dependencies. I.e. lots of packages have options which can be enabled/disabled only at compile time. For example whether you want

Re: any use to build from source?

2004-06-18 Thread Renato Marques
Hi, When I was using 4.1 release, removing just the hardware that I was not using and building the Kernel gave me mutch better performance. I Dont know about internals so, probabily, this is not true anymore. Anyway, I could mount a DNS Server on a Pentium 75 Mhz with 16MB, because