Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-19 Thread Andrew Reilly
> 3. The issues with nvidia kernel module on amd64 (alternativelly
> does anyone know how hard it would be to get bettern 1024x768 with nv?)

I used to be able to get nv to do 1280x1024, with my 6600LE
graphics card.  I could never convince it to do 1600x1200, the
native resolution of my LCD panel, though.  Claimed to be
limited by BIOS setting, whatever that means.

There was, and is, however, a funky booting issue: sometimes nv
would not get the card set up right, and all I would see was
blocky-wrong-raster-ish screen noise.  That would go away if
I switched to vesa mode (which has always worked reliably for
me) and back again.  Sadly that fix doesn't work since the last
upgrade (from 7.2 to 7.3), seemingly, so I'm stuck with vesa at
1280x1024, which is tollerable for my purposes, given how fast
the processors are.

Actually, I don't have that at the moment, either: something
broke GNOME at the ORB level, seemingly, after I upgraded to
RELENG_7...  I'm fighting with portupgrade at the moment...

Hopefully it'll all come good again once it's been re-built...

Cheers,

-- 
Andrew
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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-18 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On 2007-11-17 22:44, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>>> On 2007-11-17 18:53, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
 M. Warner Losh wrote:
> You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
 All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing
 this has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost
 pointless unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.
>>> That's odd.
>>>
>>> The laptop I'm typing this is amd64-capable, but installing from
>>> the FreeBSD/i386 release CD-ROMs worked like a charm.  Which
>>> methods have you tried?
>> With 4GB and a E6850 (P35/IHC9(R)) almost all the pci devices I had
>> where reconized *EXCEPT* any nvdidia card under i386 this was
>> instantly "fixed" as soon I switched to amd64.
>
> Sorry, but I can barely parse the sentence above.  Do you mean that you
> _did_ installl i386, but it had issues? 

Yes to starting with i386 and moving to amd64


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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-18 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-11-17 22:44, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
>> On 2007-11-17 18:53, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>> M. Warner Losh wrote:
 You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
>>> All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing
>>> this has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost
>>> pointless unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.
>>
>> That's odd.
>>
>> The laptop I'm typing this is amd64-capable, but installing from
>> the FreeBSD/i386 release CD-ROMs worked like a charm.  Which
>> methods have you tried?
>
> With 4GB and a E6850 (P35/IHC9(R)) almost all the pci devices I had
> where reconized *EXCEPT* any nvdidia card under i386 this was
> instantly "fixed" as soon I switched to amd64.

Sorry, but I can barely parse the sentence above.  Do you mean that you
_did_ installl i386, but it had issues?  Or that you had an _amd64_
installation, but was forced to move back to i386?

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread [LoN]Kamikaze
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
> 2. I meant features  not formats and since I am using amd64 no wine

Setting up FreeBSD i386 in a jail seems to do the job for most people. You can
have a whole i386 system in a jail and it won't even recognize it's running on
an amd64 kernel.
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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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Giorgos Keramidas wrote:
> On 2007-11-17 18:53, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> M. Warner Losh wrote:
>>> You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
>> All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing
>> this has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost
>> pointless unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.
>
> That's odd.
>
> The laptop I'm typing this is amd64-capable, but installing from
> the FreeBSD/i386 release CD-ROMs worked like a charm.  Which
> methods have you tried?

With 4GB and a E6850 (P35/IHC9(R)) almost all the pci devices I had
where reconized *EXCEPT* any nvdidia card under i386 this was
instantly "fixed" as soon I switched to amd64.   Even though I don't
feel like rehashing all the stuff that I had to go through to get some
stuff working (do a search for threads started by me) suffice it to
say that when  I first got the box 90% of the devices that the machine
came with either where not functional and/or had driver issues.
After working with the people on -current (and learning a fair amount
about the guts of FreeBSD) there are only 3 issues left:

1. The NIC slowly dies (see "re(4) slowly dies")

2. Problems reading/writting from dvd/cd (see the many threads on
ihc9 issues on -current [note to Jeremy the Phillips just arrived but
I am in the process of doing a portupgrade -afk so will test it tommorow])

3. The issues with nvidia kernel module on amd64 (alternativelly
does anyone know how hard it would be to get bettern 1024x768 with nv?)

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread John Levine
>> You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
>
>All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing this
>has blown up

You just boot the 386 install disk and install it, the same as you
do on any other 386 box.  Works great for me.

If you want to run some 386 applications on top of an amd64 kernel,
I agree that's a lot trickier.  If I had more time, I would work on
getting cross-compiling ports to work properly.


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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-11-17 18:53, "Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> M. Warner Losh wrote:
> > You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.
>
> All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing this
> has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost pointless
> unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.

That's odd.

The laptop I'm typing this is amd64-capable, but installing from the
FreeBSD/i386 release CD-ROMs worked like a charm.  Which methods have
you tried?

BTW, the i386 kernel module of nvidia should run fine on FreeBSD/i386.

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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M. Warner Losh wrote:
> In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Aryeh M. Friedman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : After having the help of
> several developers to resolve hw issues on my : machine I have set
> up a 2 dual boot enviroment between 8-current (for : desktop use)
> and vista.I am just writting to say 8-current kicks : vista's
> ass in response time, stability [note 1], and almost every : other
> aspect except for end-user oriented office apps [note 2] and games.
>  : : Notes: : : 1.  As was posted in an other thread my nic still
> has a slow death issue : 2. I meant features  not formats and since
> I am using amd64 no wine
>
> You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.

All the different methods people have suggested to me for doing this
has blown up also since I use a nvidia card it is almost pointless
unless I can run the nvidia kernel module.

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Re: congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Aryeh M. Friedman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: After having the help of several developers to resolve hw issues on my
: machine I have set up a 2 dual boot enviroment between 8-current (for
: desktop use) and vista.I am just writting to say 8-current kicks
: vista's ass in response time, stability [note 1], and almost every
: other aspect except for end-user oriented office apps [note 2] and games.
: 
: Notes:
: 
: 1.  As was posted in an other thread my nic still has a slow death issue
: 2. I meant features  not formats and since I am using amd64 no wine

You can run FreeBSD/i386 on amd64 boxes.

Warner
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congrlations to the freebsd developers

2007-11-17 Thread Aryeh M. Friedman
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After having the help of several developers to resolve hw issues on my
machine I have set up a 2 dual boot enviroment between 8-current (for
desktop use) and vista.I am just writting to say 8-current kicks
vista's ass in response time, stability [note 1], and almost every
other aspect except for end-user oriented office apps [note 2] and games.

Notes:

1.  As was posted in an other thread my nic still has a slow death issue
2. I meant features  not formats and since I am using amd64 no wine

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