Re: copying hard drives

2011-06-11 Thread Warren Block

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, David Banning wrote:


I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback.

1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and
store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the
end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating
system backed up - that can later be restored.


I second using Clonezilla.  It doesn't make a single file, but splits 
things into 2G files that aren't as unwieldy as larger files.  Keep a 
copy of the Clonezilla CD or image with the backup.



2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another
drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder
if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that
the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with
changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted
from a separate machine.


dd is a brute force copy method that has certain applications.  Copying 
a FreeBSD disk is better done with dump and restore.  I have some notes 
on all three of these methods in Backup Options For FreeBSD:

http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html
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copying hard drives

2011-06-10 Thread David Banning
I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback.

1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and
store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the
end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating
system backed up - that can later be restored.  

One concern I have is that the file saved is under a certain generic
standard - I don't want to be in a situation down the road where I
need to restore, but the required software to restore is defunct.
It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I
could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large
drive, and backup their entire drive.

2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another
drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder
if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that
the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with
changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted
from a separate machine.
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Re: copying hard drives

2011-06-10 Thread Bill Tillman




From: David Banning david+dated+1308165107.fdb...@skytracker.ca
To: questi...@freebsd.org
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 3:11:46 PM
Subject: copying hard drives

I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback.

1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and
store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the
end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating
system backed up - that can later be restored.  

One concern I have is that the file saved is under a certain generic
standard - I don't want to be in a situation down the road where I
need to restore, but the required software to restore is defunct.
It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I
could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large
drive, and backup their entire drive.

2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another
drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder
if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that
the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with
changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted
from a separate machine.
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Look into G4U...Ghost for Unix. It's a free and based on NetBSD. It will clone 
a 
drive, make images of drives, etc...and you can't beat the price. I've used it 
successfully many times.
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Re: copying hard drives

2011-06-10 Thread Andrei Brezan

On 10/06/2011 21:11, David Banning wrote:

I am interested in copying hard drives and would like some feedback.

1. I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and
store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the
end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating
system backed up - that can later be restored.

One concern I have is that the file saved is under a certain generic
standard - I don't want to be in a situation down the road where I
need to restore, but the required software to restore is defunct.
It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I
could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large
drive, and backup their entire drive.

2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another
drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do - but I wonder
if there is a way to do this so that clone drive can be smaller that
the original. My thinking here is that I need to experiment with
changes but can't do it on a live system - hence the copy booted
from a separate machine.
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Hi,

Though it's not a FreeBSD related question, I would suggest clonezilla 
http://www.clonezilla.org/ as a good tool to accomplish your goals. I 
think it's also scriptable.


Regards,

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emailandrei693 [at] gmail.com

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Re: copying hard drives

2011-06-10 Thread Lars Eighner

On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, David Banning wrote:


2. I'd like a simple way to copy - my FreeBSD system to another
drive - a clone so to speak - which I know dd can do -


Won't reliably leave you with an operable system.

Use dump and restore


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Re: copying hard drives

2011-06-10 Thread Modulok
 I would like a way to take peoples windows -or- unix systems and
 store each on portable hard drive as a single file - so that in the
 end I have a large, say 2TB drive with a number of peoples operating
 system backed up - that can later be restored.

Use dd to make a sector-for-sector level copy into a file. It will work
regardless of the operating system you're copying. However, be aware that
some operating systems do not have a hardware abstraction layer. As such
their kernels are optumised to run on the hardware they were installed on.
They can can only be restored to the exact same hardware. This is usually
the case with WindowsXP. (Though you can still mount and extract data
from the dd generated image.)

dd if=/dev/ad6 of=foo.bin bs=1m

 It would be nice to have the operating system on a stick - so I
 could boot into the program from a clients computer, connect a large
 drive, and backup their entire drive.

You can do this with any 'live' operating system. Most UNIX like systems offer
a comparable 'dd' command. For example, you could boot to an Ubuntu CD, or even
Freesbie, if that's still around.

 which I know dd can do - but I wonder if there is a way to do this so that
 clone drive can be smaller that the original.

For this on FreeBSD, use dump(8) and restore(8) commands. Of course, they will
only be suitable for FreeBSD, as they are file system (UFS) dependent.

-Modulok-
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