Re: day light saving time happened today
Ben Cottrell wrote: On Mar 10, 2013, at 19:18, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: What is really needed is for the tzsetup program to state which east coast selections have day light saving included. Maybe a pr is in order. Nope, you pretty conclusively proved that you're using the right time zone setting. Trust me. :-) That md5 you posted is the exact same md5 that's on my own system. My own America/New_York is doing just fine, thank you. ;-) Something else is going on. *What*, I don't know. But you chose the right time zone in tzsetup and that time zone description file definitely does have DST rules in it. I never use the wall_cmos_clock setting, because I don't trust it -- at least with the traditional behavior (wall_cmos_clock=0) I know *exactly* what's going on. I really don't know what is happening under the hood when that's turned on, so I have no idea if it could be related or not. But I'm curious what it shows if you run: sysctl machdep.wall_cmos_clock ~Ben sysctl machdep.wall_cmos_clock returned 0 Ran this little test. Last night before turning off my system I used the date command to set the date to 3/9 with the correct DST. This morning when I turned on my system the time had advanced by one hour. So this proves that the time zone setting does have DST in it and every thing worked as expected. Even though the system is now on DST the date command still displays EDT. Does the date command ever show DST? Now about the question of why did the time not jump forward on the date it was suppose to? It all boils down to this, On 3/9 I did not check the time. I just expected it to be correct. Even though the date and time is displayed every morning when I boot my system, I have never in 20 years taken the time to verify if its correct on any of the many PCs I have used. It is totally possible that the system time was incorrect and I was just not aware of it before DST went into effect, after which I checked the time as I did with all the other clocks in the house. So for now, thats how I am leaving things. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On 3/11/2013 7:49 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: Even though the system is now on DST the date command still displays EDT. Does the date command ever show DST? EDT = Eastern Daylight Time timezone not to be confused with EST = Eastern Standard Time timezone not to be confused with DST = daylight savings time, not a timezone, never shown on a computer. Your system correctly switched to daylight savings time, as verified by the EDT timezone indicator. Most likely the clock was already an hour slow before the time change. -- Noel Jones ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On 2013, Mar 11, at 4:49, Fbsd8 wrote: Even though the system is now on DST the date command still displays EDT. Does the date command ever show DST? EST = Eastern Standard Time EDT = Eastern Daylight Savings Time EDT = Daylight Savings. Your date command is showing DST. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:18:23 -0500 Noel articulated: On 3/11/2013 7:49 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: Even though the system is now on DST the date command still displays EDT. Does the date command ever show DST? EDT = Eastern Daylight Time timezone not to be confused with EST = Eastern Standard Time timezone not to be confused with DST = daylight savings time, not a timezone, never shown on a computer. Your system correctly switched to daylight savings time, as verified by the EDT timezone indicator. Most likely the clock was already an hour slow before the time change. Just wondering, but do you have NTP running to keep the time accurate? -- Jerry ♔ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. __ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 08:49:45AM -0400, Fbsd8 wrote: Ran this little test. Last night before turning off my system I used the date command to set the date to 3/9 with the correct DST. This morning when I turned on my system the time had advanced by one hour. So this proves that the time zone setting does have DST in it and every thing worked as expected. Even though the system is now on DST the date command still displays EDT. Does the date command ever show DST? As noted by others, EDT is Eastern Daylight Time, which is what should be showing during DST in the Eastern (US) time zone. When it's not DST, what should be showing in the Eastern time zone is EST instead. From what you said, though, it seems you had set it to EDT when it was not yet daylight saving time. I wonder if this might be the cause of the actual problem. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
Jerry wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 09:18:23 -0500 Noel articulated: On 3/11/2013 7:49 AM, Fbsd8 wrote: Even though the system is now on DST the date command still displays EDT. Does the date command ever show DST? EDT = Eastern Daylight Time timezone not to be confused with EST = Eastern Standard Time timezone not to be confused with DST = daylight savings time, not a timezone, never shown on a computer. Your system correctly switched to daylight savings time, as verified by the EDT timezone indicator. Most likely the clock was already an hour slow before the time change. Just wondering, but do you have NTP running to keep the time accurate? no but I do run ntpd -q a few times a year to keep the tine accurate. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
day light saving time happened today
day light saving time happened early sunday morning and the time shown by the date command is still one hour behind. I just did a clean 9.1 install from cdrom and selected the correct time zone for my location. I don't see any entry for daylight saving time in tzsetup I though the EDT had daylight saving time built in. How do I configure time for auto daylight saving time corrections? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:37, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: day light saving time happened early sunday morning and the time shown by the date command is still one hour behind. I just did a clean 9.1 install from cdrom and selected the correct time zone for my location. The DST change worked fine for me...! I'm curious what it prints if you run the command: find /usr/share/zoneinfo -type f -print | xargs md5 | grep `md5 -q /etc/localtime` It used to be that /etc/localtime was, by convention if nothing else, a symlink so you could easily see what it pointed to, but not anymore... the above is the easiest way I can think of to figure out what time zone your system is *really* set to. Yes, it should have happened automatically. There's no special setting you have to enable. It should have just worked. So my suspicion is that your /etc/localtime isn't pointing to what you think it's pointing to... ~Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
day light saving time happened early sunday morning and the time shown by the date command is still one hour behind. I just did a clean 9.1 install from cdrom and selected the correct time zone for my location. I don't see any entry for daylight saving time in tzsetup I though the EDT had daylight saving time built in. It does. Any chance your computer's clock got reset an hour slow? My 8.3 and 9.1 systems handled the daylight switch just like they were supposed to. -- Regards, John Levine, jo...@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
Ben Cottrell wrote: On Mar 10, 2013, at 10:37, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: day light saving time happened early sunday morning and the time shown by the date command is still one hour behind. I just did a clean 9.1 install from cdrom and selected the correct time zone for my location. The DST change worked fine for me...! I'm curious what it prints if you run the command: find /usr/share/zoneinfo -type f -print | xargs md5 | grep `md5 -q /etc/localtime` It used to be that /etc/localtime was, by convention if nothing else, a symlink so you could easily see what it pointed to, but not anymore... the above is the easiest way I can think of to figure out what time zone your system is *really* set to. Yes, it should have happened automatically. There's no special setting you have to enable. It should have just worked. So my suspicion is that your /etc/localtime isn't pointing to what you think it's pointing to... ~Ben This is what that find produced # /root find /usr/share/zoneinfo -type f -print | xargs md5 | grep `md5 -q /etc /localtime` MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York) = e4ca381035a34b7a852184cc0dd89baa MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/posixrules) = e4ca381035a34b7a852184cc0dd89baa echo $TZ undefined variable ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On Mar 10, 2013, at 14:50, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: # /root find /usr/share/zoneinfo -type f -print | xargs md5 | grep `md5 -q /etc /localtime` MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York) = e4ca381035a34b7a852184cc0dd89baa That's really, really odd. I'm confused. If you run date does it show the time zone as EST or EDT? If you have python installed, you might also try: python -c 'import time; print time.localtime().tm_isdst' (it should be 1) Is the year correct? I mean, could it be thinking it's some different year, where the time zone rules are different? Now *I'm* curious. :-) I've honestly never seen a system do that before. If you figure it out, I hope you'll let either me, or the list, know what it was! ~Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
Ben Cottrell wrote: On Mar 10, 2013, at 14:50, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: # /root find /usr/share/zoneinfo -type f -print | xargs md5 | grep `md5 -q /etc /localtime` MD5 (/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York) = e4ca381035a34b7a852184cc0dd89baa That's really, really odd. I'm confused. If you run date does it show the time zone as EST or EDT? If you have python installed, you might also try: python -c 'import time; print time.localtime().tm_isdst' (it should be 1) Is the year correct? I mean, could it be thinking it's some different year, where the time zone rules are different? Now *I'm* curious. :-) I've honestly never seen a system do that before. If you figure it out, I hope you'll let either me, or the list, know what it was! ~Ben date command shows Sun Mar 10 16:50:33 EDT 2013 No python on my system. The real question is does New York State have day light saving time? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013, Fbsd8 wrote: date command shows Sun Mar 10 16:50:33 EDT 2013 Very odd that your clock would be off by *two* hours. The real question is does New York State have day light saving time? Yes, it does. I lived there for many years. -- Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging / ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
Chris Hill ch...@monochrome.org writes: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013, Fbsd8 wrote: date command shows Sun Mar 10 16:50:33 EDT 2013 Very odd that your clock would be off by *two* hours. Yep. The next test is to check the clock in GMT. I expect it to be off, which means that the timezone rules are not the problem. If this is not the case, the diagnosis gets more interesting. The real question is does New York State have day light saving time? Yes, it does. I lived there for many years. He's not making this up, folks. [On the other hand, the rules have changed multiple times since he left there.] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: day light saving time happened today
Lowell Gilbert wrote: The next test is to check the clock in GMT. I expect it to be off, which means that the timezone rules are not the problem. If this is not the case, the diagnosis gets more interesting. And how do you purpose I check the clock in GMT? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Bulk] Re: day light saving time happened today
On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:42:52 -0400 Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: The next test is to check the clock in GMT. I expect it to be off, which means that the timezone rules are not the problem. If this is not the case, the diagnosis gets more interesting. And how do you purpose I check the clock in GMT? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org date -u should do it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Bulk] Re: day light saving time happened today
Mike Jeays wrote: On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 21:42:52 -0400 Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: Lowell Gilbert wrote: The next test is to check the clock in GMT. I expect it to be off, which means that the timezone rules are not the problem. If this is not the case, the diagnosis gets more interesting. And how do you purpose I check the clock in GMT? date -u should do it. date -u shows Mon Mar 11 01:08:39 UTC 2013 date shows Sun Mar 10 01:08:47 EDT 2013 In tzsetup I selected north America, EDT. It's the first one on the list. What is really needed is for the tzsetup program to state which east coast selections have day light saving included. Maybe a pr is in order. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: [Bulk] Re: day light saving time happened today
On Mar 10, 2013, at 19:18, Fbsd8 fb...@a1poweruser.com wrote: What is really needed is for the tzsetup program to state which east coast selections have day light saving included. Maybe a pr is in order. Nope, you pretty conclusively proved that you're using the right time zone setting. Trust me. :-) That md5 you posted is the exact same md5 that's on my own system. My own America/New_York is doing just fine, thank you. ;-) Something else is going on. *What*, I don't know. But you chose the right time zone in tzsetup and that time zone description file definitely does have DST rules in it. I never use the wall_cmos_clock setting, because I don't trust it -- at least with the traditional behavior (wall_cmos_clock=0) I know *exactly* what's going on. I really don't know what is happening under the hood when that's turned on, so I have no idea if it could be related or not. But I'm curious what it shows if you run: sysctl machdep.wall_cmos_clock ~Ben ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
