Re: filesystem advice

2013-05-24 Thread krad
filesystem use. My situation: install a fileserver (samba) for 3 clients and put it as gateway/server on internet (ssh, and samba to internal lan). I installed FreeBSD with raid 1 following this howto: http://www.ateamsystems.com/blog/Installing-FreeBSD-9-gmirror-GPT-partitions-raid-1

filesystem advice

2013-05-21 Thread Pol Hallen
Hi all and sorry for this (newbie) question. I study FreeBSD (I come from linux) and I'm not sure which filesystem use. My situation: install a fileserver (samba) for 3 clients and put it as gateway/server on internet (ssh, and samba to internal lan). I installed FreeBSD with raid 1 following

Re: filesystem advice

2013-05-21 Thread Roland Smith
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 06:43:25PM +0200, Pol Hallen wrote: Hi all and sorry for this (newbie) question. I study FreeBSD (I come from linux) and I'm not sure which filesystem use. My situation: install a fileserver (samba) for 3 clients and put it as gateway/server on internet (ssh

Re: root filesystem and soft-update

2012-12-07 Thread Rick Miller
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Rick Miller vmil...@hostileadmin.com wrote: Hi all, I remember one time seeing a site that explained why soft-updates was not enabled for the root filesystem. I tried looking for it earlier, but failed to locate it. Is there someone who knows where

root filesystem and soft-update

2012-12-04 Thread Rick Miller
Hi all, I remember one time seeing a site that explained why soft-updates was not enabled for the root filesystem. I tried looking for it earlier, but failed to locate it. Is there someone who knows where it is? -- Rick -- Sent from my mobile device Take care Rick Miller

Re: root filesystem and soft-update

2012-12-04 Thread Bas Smeelen
On 12/04/12 22:50, Rick Miller wrote: Hi all, I remember one time seeing a site that explained why soft-updates was not enabled for the root filesystem. I tried looking for it earlier, but failed to locate it. Is there someone who knows where it is? -- Rick Hi Rick Maybe in the FAQ? http

Re: root filesystem and soft-update

2012-12-04 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Tue, 4 Dec 2012 16:50:42 -0500 Rick Miller vmil...@hostileadmin.com wrote: Hi all, I remember one time seeing a site that explained why soft-updates was not enabled for the root filesystem. I tried looking for it earlier, but failed to locate it. Is there someone who knows where

newfs -m for large filesystem

2012-11-23 Thread Ireneusz Pluta
Hello, are the remarks given for the -m option in tunefs(8) and newfs(8) still the same for very large filesystems, or the free-space margin might be safely reduced in these cases? For instance, when I have a 12TB filesystem then the default 8% margin gets close to the value of 1TB, which

Re: newfs -m for large filesystem

2012-11-23 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Fri Nov 23 09:31:00 2012 Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 16:27:23 +0100 From: Ireneusz Pluta ipl...@wp.pl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: newfs -m for large filesystem Hello, are the remarks given for the -m option in tunefs(8) and newfs(8

filesystem size does not equal free space

2012-11-21 Thread Rick Miller
, when the filesystem is labelled and mounted, it is slightly over 1TB in size. Am I correct in assuming that it's only 1TB because the disk geometry is greater than what is supported by sysinstall and/or bsdlabel? -- Take care Rick Miller ___ freebsd

Re: filesystem size does not equal free space

2012-11-21 Thread Warren Block
that uses the entire disk. However, when the filesystem is labelled and mounted, it is slightly over 1TB in size. Am I correct in assuming that it's only 1TB because the disk geometry is greater than what is supported by sysinstall and/or bsdlabel? It's an MBR limitation, I think. Use GPT, which

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-17 Thread Gary Aitken
On 11/16/12 21:38, Warren Block wrote: On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add that extra space to the

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-16 Thread Gary Aitken
On 11/15/12 15:56, Warren Block wrote: On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: Trying to rebuild ports, I'm consistently getting the following: ahcich1 Timeout on slot 13 port 0 ^ slot varies g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-16 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: ~$ gpart show ada0 = 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) 34128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / 419432021048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M)swap 429917788388608 4

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-16 Thread Gary Aitken
~$ gpart show ada0 = 34 250069613 ada0 GPT (119G) 34128 1 freebsd-boot (64k) 162 41943040 2 freebsd-ufs (20G) / 419432021048576 3 freebsd-swap (512M)swap 429917788388608 4 freebsd-ufs (4.0G) /var 51380386

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-16 Thread Warren Block
in /etc/rc.conf: swapfile=/usr/swap Use tmpfs for /tmp in /etc/fstab: tmpfs /tmptmpfs rw,mode=01777 0 0 It's possible to limit the size, but not necessary. This /tmp will be cleared on reboot. Now: why? Using a swapfile through the filesystem gives three advantages

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-16 Thread Gary Aitken
: why? Using a swapfile through the filesystem gives three advantages: 1. Disk space is not tied up in an unused swap partition. 2. Swap can be resized without repartitioning. 3. Swap goes through the filesystem, using TRIM, helping the SSD maintain performance. /tmp as tmpfs is auto

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-16 Thread Warren Block
On Fri, 16 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: On 11/16/12 12:10, Warren Block wrote: Additional SSD suggestions: when creating partitions, leave out the swap partition. If you have lots of memory, leave out the /tmp partition. Add that extra space to the /usr partition. Format the UFS filesystems

Re: 'device' representation in the filesystem questions

2012-11-15 Thread Arthur Chance
On 11/14/12 23:38, Robert Bonomi wrote: it appears that FreeBSD, at least 8.0 and later: a) no longer uses 'raw' devices for anything b) no longer uses 'block' devices for anything c) randomly assigns device 'major' numbers d) doesn't use device 'minor' numbers for anything.

9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-15 Thread Gary Aitken
Trying to rebuild ports, I'm consistently getting the following: ahcich1 Timeout on slot 13 port 0 ^ slot varies g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 /usr got error 6 while accessing filesyustem cpuid=0 panic:

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-15 Thread Adam Vande More
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Gary Aitken free...@dreamchaser.orgwrote: Error 6 is ENXIO, device not configured; not sure exactly what that means. This machine has: 16G mem 0.5G swap 2G /tmp 4G /var Is any of that likely to be related to the problem? Given an addr in

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-15 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:30:43 -0600 Adam Vande More amvandem...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like you have bad hardware. Drive, cable, controller etc. Probably wouldn't hurt to do a fsck either. *After* identifying and fixing the hardware problem, otherwise you may make things worse. --

Re: 9.0 crash, ssd or filesystem problem?

2012-11-15 Thread Warren Block
On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, Gary Aitken wrote: Trying to rebuild ports, I'm consistently getting the following: ahcich1 Timeout on slot 13 port 0 ^ slot varies g_vfs_done() ada0p6 [WRITE(offset=38838571008 length=4096)]error=6 That seems familiar, maybe others have

Re: MFS root filesystem and static binaries size

2012-10-17 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:13:41 -0700 Devin Teske devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote: When two files have the same inode, they are hard links to each other. Unlike a soft link (or symbolic link as they are more appropriately called), which stores a destination-path of the target, a hard link

Re: MFS root filesystem and static binaries size

2012-10-17 Thread Devin Teske
On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:30 AM, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:13:41 -0700 Devin Teske devin.te...@fisglobal.com wrote: When two files have the same inode, they are hard links to each other. Unlike a soft link (or symbolic link as they are more appropriately called), which

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-24 Thread Andy Wodfer
Hi everybody! Thanks for answering my questions and helping me out with this problem. It's been fixed now and I managed to locate the problem with the find / -type d | awk 'length 900' command. What caused it was something that looked like a directory loop or at least a very deep list of sub

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-23 Thread Andy Wodfer
understand. ;-) The advantage of my approach is avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs when you haven't pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that happens to matter to you... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-23 Thread Andy Wodfer
and swap md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen any advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. Then you don't understand. ;-) The advantage of my approach is avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs when you haven't pre-allocated all the filesystem space

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-23 Thread RW
. ;-) The advantage of my approach is avoiding a kernel panic when writing to the tmpfs md device when you haven't pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that happens to matter to you... It's the other way around, malloc md devices can cause kernel panics. swap md device

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-23 Thread Polytropon
in this thread didn't give me a better clue about what's happening. Anyone have any other ideas what I can try to find out why locate fails? I'm starting to wonder if you have a corrupt filesystem. Do you have a large number of files or something? My locate database is about three megs

/tmp filesystem full

2012-08-23 Thread J B
Andy Wodfer wodfer at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 09:04:08 UTC 2012 Can't seem to figure out the problem with MAXPATHLEN. locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 Your database may be corrupted. I would suggest you delete it and recreate. jb ___

/tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Andy Wodfer
Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have several hundred GBs free)? PS! This

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 Andy Wodfer wod...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic link

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread RW
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 Andy Wodfer wrote: Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Robert Huff
RW writes: I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. There's also a periodic script to remove older files from /tmp which may help. My gut reaction is: what's taking up so much room? My /tmp contains

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Matthias Apitz
El día Wednesday, August 22, 2012 a las 12:59:13PM +0200, Andy Wodfer escribió: Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Andy Wodfer
thanks for the tip on omitting parts of the filesystem. Perhaps I need to do that. /Andreas On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Michael Ross g...@ross.cx wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200, Andy Wodfer wod...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Andy Wodfer
, but now I faced a different problem which I've never seen before: locate: integer out of +-MAXPATHLEN (1024): 1029 There are some directories that contains A LOT of small files I think. Need to investigate. Also thanks for the tip on omitting parts of the filesystem. Perhaps I need to do

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Jerome Herman
Le 22/08/2012 12:59, Andy Wodfer a écrit : Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Michael Ross
-s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have several hundred GBs free)? PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and problems to a minimum. :-) Cheers, Andy If it's just locate.updatedb filling it up temporarily, perhaps you can solve this by ommitting part of your filesystem

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 05:59:52 2012 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 12:59:13 +0200 From: Andy Wodfer wod...@gmail.com To: freebsd-questions freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: /tmp filesystem full Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Polytropon
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:12:25 +0200, Andy Wodfer wrote: How can I find which directories break the MAXPATHLEN variable? It's easy to do this with find and awk: % find / -type d | awk 'length LIMIT' where LIMIT is the numerical value you want to be exceeded (in your case, MAXPATHLEN).

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Steve O'Hara-Smith
: /tmp filesystem full Hi, I have about 500MB in my /tmp and it seems to be too small when the periodic LOCATE script runs every week. What's the best way to increase the size of /tmp ? Could I simply remove it and create a symbolic link ln -s to say /usr/tmp instead (where I have

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread John Hein
instead (where I have several hundred GBs free)? PS! This is on a live server and I would like to keep downtime and problems to a minimum. :-) One way is to work around your problem is to add 'TMPDIR=/path/to/bigger/filesystem' in /etc/crontab and/or 'export TMPDIR=/path/...' in /etc

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Wed Aug 22 08:27:59 2012 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:25:51 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith st...@sohara.org To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /tmp filesystem full On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 08:14:35 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
If you use zfs, that is easy... zfs set quota=NNG pool/tmp if not try to mount tmp in memory... in /etc/rc.conf tmpmfs=YES tmpsize=400m reboot this would create a /tmp in memory (swap) size=400 Megabytes Sergio ___

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Michael Sierchio
This will happen automatically if you go to multiuser without a writeable /tmp. See /etc/rc.d/tmp I have a problem with the semantics of the rc scripts for this and var, though - if you are going to use a memory-backed filesystem, you should reserve all the space at the outset. Bad things can

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread RW
for this and var, though - if you are going to use a memory-backed filesystem, you should reserve all the space at the outset. It defaults to 20MB. There's no such thing as an unlimited md-backed device Bad things can occur as you approach the memory limit (like a kernel panic) otherwise. Provided

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread RW
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 23:21:12 +0100 RW wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 14:14:17 -0700 Michael Sierchio wrote: This will happen automatically if you go to multiuser without a writeable /tmp. See /etc/rc.d/tmp It doesn't, the default is an old-fashioned md device, not tmpfs. Sorry I misread

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:29 PM, RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com wrote: Sorry I misread the previous post which *was* referring to an md device, but the rest is right. Not really. ;-) The one compelling reason to use an md filesystem for /tmp or /var is when you have no swap, and/or your root

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Polytropon
filesystem for /tmp or /var is when you have no swap, and/or your root fs is read only (or read mostly), as with embedded computers, Soekris boxes booting from CF, USB stick, or even mSATA (I wouldn't swap on a partition on an MLC mSATA device). In that case, you most certainly want to reserve

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Michael Sierchio
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: For the mentioned appliances, that would not be a problem. However there's a distinction between /tmp and /var/tmp that can be summarized like this: The content of /tmp may disappear after a reboot (see clear_tmp_enable=YES

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread RW
filesystem for /tmp or /var is when you have no swap, and/or your root fs is read-only tmpfs and swap md devices don't actually need swap. I don't seen any advantage in your way of creating an md device for /tmp. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

Re: /tmp filesystem full

2012-08-22 Thread Michael Sierchio
writing to the tmpfs when you haven't pre-allocated all the filesystem space at creation time. If that happens to matter to you... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-23 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: MSDOS/PCDOS had no _documented_ functions to directly access the disks, bypassing the file system, but the functions _did_ exist. I'm sure you can provide the DOS 'function number' for those calls, and cites to published data confirming. They

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
I could have provided specifics 25 years ago :) when I was involved with this stuff on a daily basis. I have no idea whether it was same as me. still it is off topic. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Thomas Mueller
Regarding the security of various methods of deleting data, I just saw in Office Depot's online ad for the coming week, which is the reason I couldn't post this any earlier: Need to discard an old PC but worried about protecting your identity? Let us securely erase your personal files and

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 05:52:17 -0400 From: Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Regarding the security of various methods of deleting data, I just saw in Office Depot's online ad for the coming week, which is the reason I couldn't post this any

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Duane Hill
Personally, I've always used a product from http://www.jetico.com/. On Sunday, July 22, 2012 at 17:06:04 UTC, g...@ross.cx confabulated: On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: On 22/07/2012 16:01, Wojciech Puchar wrote: 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M'

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Bruce Cran
On 22/07/2012 17:14, Polytropon wrote: Furthermore, in your example using Cygnwin's dd _on_ the disk Cygnwin is currently running from, and the Windows it runs on too, doesn't seem like a very good idea. I assume it will result in a bluescreen soon and a _partially_ erased disk. Sorry, I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
on FAT32 filesystem? 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M' works under Cygwin - or you can just write a load of zeros to \\.\PhysicalDrive0 . who prevents you to bood live CD or pendrive with FreeBSD (or openbsd,netbsd,linux,solaris,whatever usable)? Merely the real-world FACT that *most* Windows

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From: Polytropon free...@edvax.de Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 18:14:02 +0200 Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? By the way, I remember I had a DD.EXE program on my old DOS system. I'm not sure if such a tool could operate on devices (instead of filesystem-based representations as drive

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 07:22:29 2012 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 14:19:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Thomas Mueller muelle...@insightbb.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Let us

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Sun Jul 22 09:19:24 2012 Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:16:01 +0100 From: Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? On 22/07/2012 11:38, Robert

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
...@mail.r-bonomi.com Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? On 22/07/2012 17:14, Polytropon wrote: Furthermore, in your example using Cygnwin's dd _on_ the disk Cygnwin is currently running from, and the Windows it runs on too, doesn't seem like a very good idea. I assume it will result

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From: Michael Ross g...@ross.cx Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:06:04 +0200 On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 17:08:56 +0200, Bruce Cran br...@cran.org.uk wrote: Microsoft's format.exe can zero a volume, at least in the newer (2008) versions: /p:passes : Zeros every sector on the volume for the number of

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:01:41 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the disk. I read on the MS TechNet several years ago that it attempted three writes per

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
system. I'm not sure if such a tool could operate on devices (instead of filesystem-based representations as drive letters), but it actually _was_ a DOS-based copy convert utility for the PC. :-) MSDOS/PCDOS had -no- O/S functions to directly access actual disk devices. The ONLY fuctionality

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Michael Ross
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 23:01:41 +0200, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: I haven't had occasion to dissect a copy of format in years, I don't know if it still defaults to one write attemptto every sector on the disk. By default in Windows Vista, the format command writes zeros

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?freebsd-questions@freebsd.org

2012-07-22 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 22 Jul 2012 15:31:51 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Yes, in theory, they _could_ learn everything they need to know to do it themselves, but the list of things that a 'know nothing' Windows user has to dig out, understand, and _use_, is incredibly long and daunting. I know

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread perryh
Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: MSDOS/PCDOS had -no- O/S functions to directly access actual disk devices. The ONLY fuctionality provided to the user, by the O/S was filesystem based access. To get 'raw' device access, one had to bypass the O/S entirely, and use direct BIOS

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-22 Thread Robert Bonomi
From per...@pluto.rain.com Sun Jul 22 22:15:48 2012 Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 03:10:40 -0700 From: per...@pluto.rain.com To: bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: MSDOS/PCDOS had

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jul 19 03:21:28 2012 Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:18:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? entitled

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Bonomi
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:18:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem? Indeed. But getting GELI certified and approved by the relevant institutions and agencies isn't that easy either. Yet without no idea what are you

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Jerry
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 05:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Robert Bonomi articulated: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the Gospel According to Wojciech is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every situation. *IF* you ever learn that, Seems like you

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
It seems like all you know how to do is engage in ignorant, uninformed, personal attacks/insults. if you would read more carefully then you will see clearly that i am personally attacked most often. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Seriously though, I wish people would stop feeding this TROLL. There is absolutely no upside to it. As has been stated so eloquently many times before, Never argue with a fool - they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. so why you are continuing that thread? People

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:53 AM, Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com wrote: All I'm going to say is: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
regulations have been tightened further recently as to mandate sector-level encryption of the hard disks as well, just to be on the sure(rer) side. At least in certain particularly sensitive areas. which may be a proof that governments know backdoors alloving recovery from encrypted drives

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread C. P. Ghost
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: regulations have been tightened further recently as to mandate sector-level encryption of the hard disks as well, just to be on the sure(rer) side. At least in certain particularly sensitive areas. which

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Indeed. But getting GELI certified and approved by the relevant institutions and agencies isn't that easy either. Yet without no idea what are you talking about. For your own use you don't need anyones certification. You need safe solution. geli just do this. As for any government agencies

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
developed countries. Not really sure what you wanted to imply, as SMB looks like americanism to me. as well as SOHO. As not the first time, some people here when lacking arguments say i work for larger company. We have more servers in one place. Esp. second is nopt something to be proud

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for modern hard drives it was already proved that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m is enough to make data

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
entitled to have opinions, *BUT* the Gospel According to Wojciech is -not- 'the answer' for everybody, in every situation. *IF* you ever learn that, Seems like you have 45 years of experience in words. nothing more. Aggression is normal today from such people, that have good position in some

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread jb
Jerry jerry at seibercom.net writes: ... I couldn't have said it better myself. Wojciech lives in his own little world, which is fine as long as he doesn't try to visit mine. He sounds like he works at a small Polish SMB, more commonly referred to as a SOHO in more developed countries. I

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Otherwise, you may run the danger of building a wall around yourself. everyone should judge by his/her own brain which opinions are right. Actually in every moment i try to encourage EVERYONE to turn on his/her brain that we all have but rarely use. To be ever able to use ones brain

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Carmel
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for modern hard drives it was already

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
for very old drives it may not Would you be so kind as to point out the proof of that statement? sorry but i didn't save that article on hard drive. So no proof if you don't believe me i've actually read it. The main point is that you have - track - intra-track gap - finite precision of

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Jakub Lach
This topic went totally off, but anyway there are interesting bits, do you say that e.g. Gutmann method is totally unneeded? -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728126.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Carmel
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 12:49:50 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: Otherwise, you may run the danger of building a wall around yourself. everyone should judge by his/her own brain which opinions are right. Actually in every moment i try to encourage EVERYONE to turn on his/her

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Michael Ross
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MFM_AFM_JANUSZ_REBIS_INFOCENTRE_PL_HDD_MAGNETIC_MEMORY_EVOLUTION.png -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728126.html Sent from the freebsd-questions mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
can add FreeBSD knowledge to their CV. That statement goes beyond stupid. At some point, everyone is a You proved well enough about what stupid means. esp your mail carmel...@hotmail.com that's truly a mail address that System Admin should be proud of ;) At least you don't worry about

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread jb
Wojciech Puchar wojtek at wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl writes: ... This should clear up some confusion. Will it ? Disk Wiping One Pass Is Enough http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wiping-one-pass-is-enough ... --- http://www.anti-forensics.com/disk-wiping-one-pass-is-enough-part-2-this-time-wi

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Jakub Lach
and just as good as random scrubs. That's still makes a robust procedure, even If overkill and dated (which isn't exactly bad thing). Thanks for replies. -- View this message in context: http://freebsd.1045724.n5.nabble.com/fsck-on-FAT32-filesystem-tp5727015p5728161.html Sent from the freebsd

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Bruce Cran
On 19/07/2012 09:15, Wojciech Puchar wrote: no. for modern hard drives it was already proved that dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk bs=1m is enough to make data unreadable. for very old drives it may not How about data stored in remapped sectors, or any flash cache? The Secure Erase command

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Daniel Feenberg
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012, Carmel wrote: On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 10:15:17 +0200 (CEST) Wojciech Puchar articulated: 1) There's a _reason_ the gov't requires hard drives with anthing higher than 'somewhat' classified data on them to be =physically= destroyed before leving the secure area. no. for

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
How about data stored in remapped sectors, or any flash cache? how about being able to restore random 0.1% of former user data. Not really useful. Flash cache is quite recent idea, nobody serious would like to scrap such a drive instead of reuse.

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
agencies recover overwritten data? at http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html at first - it should be asked can agencies recover your data without being overwritten first. just use geli(8) then second problem is even less problem. Finally use geli (or similar method)

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-19 Thread Polytropon
On Thu, 19 Jul 2012 16:26:57 +0200 (CEST), Wojciech Puchar wrote: agencies recover overwritten data? at http://www.nber.org/sys-admin/overwritten-data-gutmann.html at first - it should be asked can agencies recover your data without being overwritten first. Sure, because it's stored

Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem?

2012-07-18 Thread Robert Bonomi
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Tue Jul 17 12:06:29 2012 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 19:02:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl To: Robert Bonomi bon...@mail.r-bonomi.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: fsck on FAT32 filesystem

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