Re: freebsd7 on older machines
At 03:39 PM 5/9/2008, prad wrote: i can't seem to boot the cdrom on older hardware (500MHz and down). i read somewhere that the older drives aren't supported by the installation cdrom. i want to create a series of 'dumb terminals' which can ssh -Y into a faster machine. if necessary i suppose i can floppy in and then install via nfs. or i can setup the hd on another machine that does support the install cdrom and then transfer to the older machine. here are the specific questions: 1. do older machines work better with older versions of freebsd? 2. if i dd a hd (with freebsd) onto another hd will i have a problem with the mbr and be unable to boot? 3. are there any other ideas for install? -- In friendship, prad Your older computer probably doesn't support booting from CD. You can get a third party BIOS to upgrade your system. Or create boot floppies to start the install. Once you get a version installed keep it up to date using cvsup or the new binary update utility. -Derek -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd7 on older machines
installation cdrom. i want to create a series of 'dumb terminals' which can ssh -Y into a make X server running - you will be able to remotely use X apps too. faster machine. if necessary i suppose i can floppy in and then install via nfs. or i can setup the hd on another machine that does support the install cdrom and then transfer to the older machine. here are the specific questions: 1. do older machines work better with older versions of freebsd? should work with FreeBSD 7, but i would rather use 6.* 2. if i dd a hd (with freebsd) onto another hd will i have a problem with the mbr and be unable to boot? no. it will work ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd7 on older machines
Wojciech Puchar wrote: installation cdrom. i want to create a series of 'dumb terminals' which can ssh -Y into a make X server running - you will be able to remotely use X apps too. faster machine. if necessary i suppose i can floppy in and then install via nfs. or i can setup the hd on another machine that does support the install cdrom and then transfer to the older machine. here are the specific questions: 1. do older machines work better with older versions of freebsd? should work with FreeBSD 7, but i would rather use 6.* 2. if i dd a hd (with freebsd) onto another hd will i have a problem with the mbr and be unable to boot? no. it will work You can use rdump this way, I have done it many many times to clone a server from one piece of hardware to another. Boot with a live filesystem CD on the target machine Mount your partitions under /mnt/ufs.1, /mnt/ufs.2, /mnt/ufs.3 (etc) Then rdump from the source machine Edit your conf files Reboot Easy as pie ;^) DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd7 on older machines
no. it will work You can use rdump this way, I have done it many many times to clone a server from one piece of hardware to another. but don't forget to bsdlabel -B then Boot with a live filesystem CD on the target machine Mount your partitions under /mnt/ufs.1, /mnt/ufs.2, /mnt/ufs.3 (etc) Then rdump from the source machine Edit your conf files Reboot Easy as pie ;^) DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd7 on older machines
Wojciech Puchar wrote: no. it will work You can use rdump this way, I have done it many many times to clone a server from one piece of hardware to another. but don't forget to bsdlabel -B then Boot with a live filesystem CD on the target machine Mount your partitions under /mnt/ufs.1, /mnt/ufs.2, /mnt/ufs.3 (etc) The trick is the live CD. You setup the drives/partitions first. You mount them ready to go on the target machine before you rdump. DAve Then rdump from the source machine Edit your conf files Reboot Easy as pie ;^) DAve -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- In 50 years, our descendants will look back on the early years of the internet, and much like we now look back on men with rockets on their back and feathers glued to their arms, marvel that we had the intelligence to wipe the drool from our chins. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE:: freebsd7 on older machines
-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 13:39:49 -0700 From: prad [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: freebsd7 on older machines To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII i can't seem to boot the cdrom on older hardware (500MHz and down). i read somewhere that the older drives aren't supported by the installation cdrom. i want to create a series of 'dumb terminals' which can ssh -Y into a faster machine. if necessary i suppose i can floppy in and then install via nfs. or i can setup the hd on another machine that does support the install cdrom and then transfer to the older machine. here are the specific questions: 1. do older machines work better with older versions of freebsd? 2. if i dd a hd (with freebsd) onto another hd will i have a problem with the mbr and be unable to boot? 3. are there any other ideas for install? -- In friendship, prad I have with success installed 7.0 on a pentium 133 mhz laptop with 96 meg ram. compiled X and fluxbox from source. The whole installation took a week or so ;) Works like a charm, except firefox is heavy load for this ancient piece of machinery. Also use xfce compiled from source on old 350 - 450mhz machines nicely. I usually use cdrom boot and then ftp install. On machines with no cd, or no working rom drives I use floppy boot versions of FreeBSD and then ftp the rest of the install. When wanting to use cdrom boot where I have no floppy, or bios doesn`t support cdrom boot (ie no bios upgrade to fix it either) I use a floppy tool called smart boot manager that when booted enables me to continue on most other media of my desire.( gives a new boot menu with among others cdrom driver loaded) I suggest this option for your convenience.. Kenneth Hatteland, Norway ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freebsd7 on older machines
i can't seem to boot the cdrom on older hardware (500MHz and down). i read somewhere that the older drives aren't supported by the installation cdrom. i want to create a series of 'dumb terminals' which can ssh -Y into a faster machine. if necessary i suppose i can floppy in and then install via nfs. or i can setup the hd on another machine that does support the install cdrom and then transfer to the older machine. here are the specific questions: 1. do older machines work better with older versions of freebsd? 2. if i dd a hd (with freebsd) onto another hd will i have a problem with the mbr and be unable to boot? 3. are there any other ideas for install? -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd7 on older machines
prad wrote: i can't seem to boot the cdrom on older hardware (500MHz and down). i read somewhere that the older drives aren't supported by the installation cdrom. i want to create a series of 'dumb terminals' which can ssh -Y into a faster machine. if necessary i suppose i can floppy in and then install via nfs. or i can setup the hd on another machine that does support the install cdrom and then transfer to the older machine. here are the specific questions: 1. do older machines work better with older versions of freebsd? 2. if i dd a hd (with freebsd) onto another hd will i have a problem with the mbr and be unable to boot? 3. are there any other ideas for install? You may have old motheboards (or BIOS) that do not support el-torito (no emulation) boot, i.e. they can only boot from CD like a floppy (think Windows 98 CD boot). In this case booting from floppies will allow you to start (installation will continue from CD). It is not fast, but it works. A friend of mine is running a 6.3-RELEASE (obviously console only) on a 200 Mhz Pentium with 48Mb or RAM. It performs reasonably well for this spec (as long as you don't compile anything). I once installed 6.1 on a Pentium Pro, 64Mb RAM using floppies + CD, it worked. Even got X running! I have successfully installed 7.0 on an AMD K6-2 500Mhz - had to disable ACPI or weird things would happen. Haven't tried any lower spec machine with 7. As for your questions: 1. I guess some newer versions may not work at all with very old hardware. Not something I tested though. Look at the hardware release notes for minimum requirements. 2. Sorry, never tried it 3. Connect the hard disk to a newer machine, install there and transfer to the older one. There are good chances of success. If the machine is really old, you may need to disable acpi during startup for everything to work properly. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
