Re: installing from a harddisk prepared in a functional system

2006-12-06 Thread Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg
Steve Franks wrote:
 How does one make a 'boot' disk - be it cdrom, harddrive or flash
 (presuming your bios will boot from all those devices, of course)?
 
 1.The handbook specifies you need to minimally copy the /bin folder to
 the destination.
 2. Obviously you want a valid ufs2 partition.
 3. I've repeatedly tried setting the 'bootable' option in fdisk, and
 the 'A' appears next to the slice, but everytime I reboot it
 dissappears, even after a 'W' command, so I'm going to try to get this
 to go without using sysinstall by a manual copy, if I can.
 4. Windows partitions need some special files, i.e. ntldr, at a
 special location on the boot partiton - equivalent in bsd? Or does the
 loader just look for /bin and load the kernel from there?
 5. bootloader seems to work when I put the disk in the new computer -
 get F1 and F2, but nothing else happens.
 
 Basically I'm trying to make an 'image' - put a fresh disk in my
 working system, format it, make it boot, at least to sysinstall, so I
 can put it in my other system that has no floppy or cdrom to install
 from, and get things rolling over the network card.  I was thinking I
 could just do this with a single partition on the target disk, like
 the install cdrom's do.  I want to turn a harddisk into an install
 cdrom, and then have it install to itself, a dangerous idea, no doubt,
 but it appears that it could work, I just can't get the new disk to
 boot in the new system.
 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 

Is there a reason why you can't finish the installation on your
working system, and then move the disk to the new machine and just
boot your newly installed system?

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R
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Re: installing from a harddisk prepared in a functional system

2006-12-06 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 08:03:56PM -0700, Steve Franks wrote:

 How does one make a 'boot' disk - be it cdrom, harddrive or flash
 (presuming your bios will boot from all those devices, of course)?
 
 1.The handbook specifies you need to minimally copy the /bin folder to
 the destination.
 2. Obviously you want a valid ufs2 partition.
 3. I've repeatedly tried setting the 'bootable' option in fdisk, and
 the 'A' appears next to the slice, but everytime I reboot it
 dissappears, even after a 'W' command, so I'm going to try to get this
 to go without using sysinstall by a manual copy, if I can.
 4. Windows partitions need some special files, i.e. ntldr, at a
 special location on the boot partiton - equivalent in bsd? Or does the
 loader just look for /bin and load the kernel from there?
 5. bootloader seems to work when I put the disk in the new computer -
 get F1 and F2, but nothing else happens.
 
 Basically I'm trying to make an 'image' - put a fresh disk in my
 working system, format it, make it boot, at least to sysinstall, so I
 can put it in my other system that has no floppy or cdrom to install
 from, and get things rolling over the network card.  I was thinking I
 could just do this with a single partition on the target disk, like
 the install cdrom's do.  I want to turn a harddisk into an install
 cdrom, and then have it install to itself, a dangerous idea, no doubt,
 but it appears that it could work, I just can't get the new disk to
 boot in the new system.

If I understand you, you are trying to install enough of FreeBSD on a disk
that you will then move to another machine to finish the install???

First of all, why don't you just do the complete install on the
disk rather than just a part of it.

Second, did you write the MBR to the disk?  I would suggest this:
   dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/da1 bs=512 count=32
   fdisk -BI da1
That first dd just makes sure no previous junk on the disk gets in the way.

The fdisk command writes two main things:  The primary slice table
and the MBR.   But, it does not put the boot sector there.   That
is done with bsdlabel.

   bsdlabel -w -B da1s1 will do it

Then, you have to divide that slice you made in the fdisk command
into at least one partition - probably several.
FreeBSD doesn't boot to the slice, but rather needs a real partition
that has been made in to a file system and had needed files written on it.
 
For that you again use bsdlabel.  The easiest is to use it in edit mode:

   bsdlabel -e da0s1

That puts you in an edit session to edit the partition table for the slice.
Edit it as you prefer.   I posted a long response yesterday that gives
a good example.   

Then, you should install all of what goes in root and preferably also
what goes in /usr before trying to boot.

You can do all this through sysinstall and if you really must only
partially install, then just get really selective on what you tell
it to install rather than just take the general/normal installation.

But, as I said above, just do the whole install at this time.
The only thing you might come out funny on are the device names
it puts in /etc/fstab.In might name them da1 or ad1 instead of
the da0 or ad0 you need when you move the disk over to the other 
machine.  So, mount up the newroot (on the new disk) and check out
the /newroot/etc/fstab file and edit if necessary before moving
the disk over.

jerry


 
 Thanks,
 Steve
 
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 Steve Franks, KE7BTE
 Staff Engineer
 La Palma Devices, LLC
 http://www.lapalmadevices.com
 (520) 312-0089
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installing from a harddisk prepared in a functional system

2006-12-05 Thread Steve Franks

How does one make a 'boot' disk - be it cdrom, harddrive or flash
(presuming your bios will boot from all those devices, of course)?

1.The handbook specifies you need to minimally copy the /bin folder to
the destination.
2. Obviously you want a valid ufs2 partition.
3. I've repeatedly tried setting the 'bootable' option in fdisk, and
the 'A' appears next to the slice, but everytime I reboot it
dissappears, even after a 'W' command, so I'm going to try to get this
to go without using sysinstall by a manual copy, if I can.
4. Windows partitions need some special files, i.e. ntldr, at a
special location on the boot partiton - equivalent in bsd? Or does the
loader just look for /bin and load the kernel from there?
5. bootloader seems to work when I put the disk in the new computer -
get F1 and F2, but nothing else happens.

Basically I'm trying to make an 'image' - put a fresh disk in my
working system, format it, make it boot, at least to sysinstall, so I
can put it in my other system that has no floppy or cdrom to install
from, and get things rolling over the network card.  I was thinking I
could just do this with a single partition on the target disk, like
the install cdrom's do.  I want to turn a harddisk into an install
cdrom, and then have it install to itself, a dangerous idea, no doubt,
but it appears that it could work, I just can't get the new disk to
boot in the new system.

Thanks,
Steve

--
Steve Franks, KE7BTE
Staff Engineer
La Palma Devices, LLC
http://www.lapalmadevices.com
(520) 312-0089
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