Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-12 Thread Ceri Davies
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 07:40:22AM -0800, Josef Grosch wrote: While I do agree that FreeBSD does need work, the big pebble in my shoe right now is a journaling file system (try doing a fsck on a 1TB file system) If you want journalling file system then the thing to do is to check out

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Bill-Schoolcraft
At Thu, 11 Jan 2007 it looks like Nikolas Britton composed: On 1/10/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno..Linux got _somewhere_ before big money came into it. Like I said..when Fbsd 2.5 was light _years_ ahead of Linux..sometime after that, focus was lost. USL v. BSDi

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread perryh
Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 10:59:20PM -0800, Jeff Mohler wrote: Not all of us can program..but let me ask this question. Linux is all volunteer, how did it get so far ahead? It isn't. People in the know like FreeBSD as a server which is where it

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/11/07, Bill-Schoolcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Thu, 11 Jan 2007 it looks like Nikolas Britton composed: On 1/10/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno..Linux got _somewhere_ before big money came into it. Like I said..when Fbsd 2.5 was light _years_ ahead of

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Howard Jones
Nikolas Britton wrote Well that's just it... No way we could afford full rates, If we could we would hire someone off the street to program x, y, and z to are liking. I was talking about supporting someone who is already working on x, y, and z because they have an itch to scratch... To help them

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Freminlins
On 10/01/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A reason why you have less problems is I expect you using premium hardware such as scsi, currently I am lucky enough to not be using realtek lan cards although I am still having problems with intel nics. I wouldn't term SCSI as premium. Maybe it

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Freminlins
On 11/01/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The basic reason is that a ../.. walk invalidates cached metadata, and you end up with a pipe full of getattr's all of the time. Freebsd-fs has discussed this a bit, but no fixing is coming soon. We use linux to compile builds, we'd like to

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Oliver Fromme
Just a few small notes ... Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: realtek isnt great hardware but is that a good reason for realtek performing significantly worse then on linux, shouldnt it be on par? Mu old notebook (2001) has a realtek rl(4) card. It's not rocket fast, but it just works with

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 07:52:29PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/10/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/07, Josef Grosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote:

Re: Porting Acrobat 9 to FBSD Mozilla / Opera and OT: installer promotion (was Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?)

2007-01-11 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 11:07:04PM -0500, Dak Ghatikachalam wrote: I think it is about time that FREEBSD OS gets the act together by integrating all the plugins for firefox. I have been trying to make these plugins work, Really, isnt't that a Firefox/Mozilla thing, plus possibly the

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Jeff Mohler
Yes, they dont solve this whatsoever. Its a severely broken code issue in the attr caching mechanism. Honest..give it a shot. Even with very very slow ATA, local builds of the kernel or world are faster than over 1G NFS to an F6000 series filer, and the filer will still thrash on WAFL metadata

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Nuno Henriques
Oliver Iberien wrote: At least this thread got me (desktop user, not especially technically sophisticated) to go make a little donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, as it is the one way I can help out, and show that I'm grateful for FreeBSD. On Wednesday 10 January 2007 08:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin
On 1/12/07, Nuno Henriques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a FreeBSD Subscription (http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdsub6.2?id=Ja6Hth8umv_pc=70) and the FreeBSD Handbook Set (http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdhandbk3.set?id=Ja6Hth8umv_pc=187), and to this day, I'm still patiently

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Nuno Henriques
Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On 1/12/07, Nuno Henriques [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a FreeBSD Subscription (http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdsub6.2?id=Ja6Hth8umv_pc=70) and the FreeBSD Handbook Set (http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdhandbk3.set?id=Ja6Hth8umv_pc=187), and to

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-11 Thread Dak Ghatikachalam
Hi FreeBSD I am looking to know how to use perform the dialup using the chatscript for the wireless card Ac850. Is t this right place to ask this question. Wow this is longest thread I have seen in my entire life about 73 people replying about same topic and nearly he the same email. over

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:12:46AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:51 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers.

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
[irrelevant cruft removed] On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 23:54:02 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 17:08:45 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread perryh
Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe core needs to make it easier to direct are funds to the sub-projects of are choice and still qualify it as a deductible expense. For accounting/tax purposes, aren't salary and benefits just as deductible as contributions? Hire someone qualified

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [irrelevant cruft removed] On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 23:54:02 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 17:08:45 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: Why should I

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe core needs to make it easier to direct are funds to the sub-projects of are choice and still qualify it as a deductible expense. For accounting/tax purposes, aren't salary and benefits just

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread DAve
Jeff Mohler wrote: Fbsd needs SAN support before it can cope with virtualization..virtualization requires a lot of disk..spindles..and FCP/iSCSI is a great way to drive this condensation. I mean..when you have to read this list, and see people wonder which end of a SAN connection owns the

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 10:59:20PM -0800, Jeff Mohler wrote: Not all of us can program..but let me ask this question. Linux is all volunteer, how did it get so far ahead? It isn't. People in the know like FreeBSD as a server which is where it is mostly targeted - to the professional

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 01:12:46AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:51 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Josef Grosch
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 09:08:03PM -0800, Jeff Mohler wrote: Fbsd needs SAN support before it can cope with virtualization..virtualization requires a lot of disk..spindles..and FCP/iSCSI is a great way to drive this condensation. I mean..when you have to read this list, and see people wonder

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Josef Grosch
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Robert Huff
Nikolas Britton writes: For accounting/tax purposes, aren't salary and benefits just as deductible as contributions? Hire someone qualified as your own full- or part-time employee, and assign them to work on the projects that you want to support. As just one example, that's

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 04:35:12AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/10/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [irrelevant cruft removed] On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 23:54:02 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday,

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:17:21AM -0800, Josef Grosch wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Chris
On 10/01/07, Josef Grosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers.

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Garrett Cooper
Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:17:21AM -0800, Josef Grosch wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Vince
havent much to contribute here but... 5 - journaling filesystem. This exists in current, patches are available for 6-stable. I've not stress tested it too much but its been nicely stable for me so far on 6-stable (non root partition as i havent yet had time to set that up) see

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-01-10 00:48, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 05:07:08PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: Why then? Various administrative delays, mostly. e.g. the main ftp distribution server had hardware failure for a

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Freminlins
On 10/01/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I think freebsd needs. 1 - To fix stuff that works in linux but goes to crap in freebsd, one such example is NFS. I don't actually have a problem with FreeBSD and NFS. This is using about 20+ clients and 2 NetApp filers. What problem are you

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Garrett Cooper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Mitchell wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 10:54:11PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about some of the items, but... -Flash support with Mozilla products is being done through

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Chris
On 10/01/07, Freminlins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I think freebsd needs. 1 - To fix stuff that works in linux but goes to crap in freebsd, one such example is NFS. I don't actually have a problem with FreeBSD and NFS. This is using about 20+

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Scott Mitchell
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:32:41PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: Scott and Nikolas, I'll try to get the linuxplugin-wrapper port to work with Flash9 for Linux and then I'll submit the change upstream to the maintainer. I too am tired of the fact that Flash is so ubiquitous, but don't

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Scott Mitchell
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 10:54:11PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about some of the items, but... -Flash support with Mozilla products is being done through Mozilla's ActionScript Engine:

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread FreeBSD WickerBill
On 1/10/07, Scott Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:32:41PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: Scott and Nikolas, I'll try to get the linuxplugin-wrapper port to work with Flash9 for Linux and then I'll submit the change upstream to the maintainer. I too am tired

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jeff Mohler
1 - To fix stuff that works in linux but goes to crap in freebsd, one such example is NFS. I don't actually have a problem with FreeBSD and NFS. This is using about 20+ clients and 2 NetApp filers. What problem are you having, rather than just goes to crap? --- If for example you do a make

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton writes: For accounting/tax purposes, aren't salary and benefits just as deductible as contributions? Hire someone qualified as your own full- or part-time employee, and assign them to work on the projects that you

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/01/07, Josef Grosch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 10:44:36AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 12:01:51AM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Oliver Iberien
At least this thread got me (desktop user, not especially technically sophisticated) to go make a little donation to the FreeBSD Foundation, as it is the one way I can help out, and show that I'm grateful for FreeBSD. On Wednesday 10 January 2007 08:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if you

Porting Acrobat 9 to FBSD Mozilla / Opera and OT: installer promotion (was Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?)

2007-01-10 Thread Garrett Cooper
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Scott Mitchell wrote: On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 02:32:41PM -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: Scott and Nikolas, I'll try to get the linuxplugin-wrapper port to work with Flash9 for Linux and then I'll submit the change upstream to the maintainer. I

Re: Porting Acrobat 9 to FBSD Mozilla / Opera and OT: installer promotion (was Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?)

2007-01-10 Thread Dak Ghatikachalam
I think it is about time that FREEBSD OS gets the act together by integrating all the plugins for firefox. I have been trying to make these plugins work, not sure what more we need countering all plugins for firefox which could make work all, right now I could only view the video in

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jeff Mohler
I dunno..Linux got _somewhere_ before big money came into it. Like I said..when Fbsd 2.5 was light _years_ ahead of Linux..sometime after that, focus was lost. Perhaps chosing to emulate instead of innovate (work smart not hard) didnt pay off as well as everyone hoped. ..not that nobody worked

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Brian
Jeff Mohler wrote: Not all of us can program..but let me ask this question. Linux is all volunteer, how did it get so far ahead? http://news.com.com/2100-1001-825723.html Brian ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Bob McIsaac
-- Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ? - This is a tired old thread Please put it to bed Don't keep it fed Think positive instead Cheers, - BobMc - ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Jeff Mohler
Most of us are, understanding how we/it got here, IS positive. What to do about it..is progress. On 1/10/07, Bob McIsaac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ? - This is a tired old thread Please put it to bed Don't keep it fed Think

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-10 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dunno..Linux got _somewhere_ before big money came into it. Like I said..when Fbsd 2.5 was light _years_ ahead of Linux..sometime after that, focus was lost. USL v. BSDi happened. ___

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions - Gentoo/FreeBSD: license problems require a development pause

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions -

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Garrett Cooper
Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Peter Giessel
On Tuesday, January 09, 2007, at 02:38PM, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: Why is another project's problems FreeBSD's problem? Xorg isn't even in the base

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 17:08:45 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Chris
Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Andreas Rudisch
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:08:45 +0100, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: Since when is Xorg a part of FreeBSD? Java ports / Java-diablo anyone? 1. Xen Dom0

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 05:08:45PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Peter Giessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 09, 2007, at 02:38PM, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: Why is another project's

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Garrett Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about some of the items, but... -Flash support with Mozilla products is being done through Mozilla's ActionScript Engine: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200611/110706Mozilla.html. So, I expect the latest

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Andreas Rudisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:08:45 +0100, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why then? Are you guys ever going to do something about Xorg DRI/DRM for Radeon cards, Java, and Flash support? More importantly: Since when is Xorg a part of

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Mohler
Fbsd needs SAN support before it can cope with virtualization..virtualization requires a lot of disk..spindles..and FCP/iSCSI is a great way to drive this condensation. I mean..when you have to read this list, and see people wonder which end of a SAN connection owns the responsibility for

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Rico Secada
On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:07:55 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should I continue using FreeBSD when the project never delivers on it promises? Noone is forcing you to do so. Let me restate that... I want to use FreeBSD, but the lack of progress is driving me and

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You shouldn't! If you are that taken back - you certainly don't need the issues of a project that does not deliver on it's promises. On the other hand - feel free to use Microsoft's products because we all know that they tend to keep promises AND, as a

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 17:08:45 -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 08, 2007 at 09:33:18AM -0800, Jim Pazarena wrote:

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Rico Secada
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:51 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fbsd needs SAN support before it can cope with virtualization..virtualization requires a lot of disk..spindles..and FCP/iSCSI is a great way to drive this condensation. I mean..when you have to read this list, and see people wonder which end of a

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/9/07, Kris Kennaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 09, 2007 at 05:07:08PM -0600, Nikolas Britton wrote: Why then? Various administrative delays, mostly. e.g. the main ftp distribution server had hardware failure for a few weeks. Shit happens and we did just change out the core

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Mohler
If I could program my way out of a _paper bag_ I would. But I cant. But ive helped drive some wonderful gifting Fbsd's way in my time..im still a believer. On 1/9/07, Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/9/07, Jeff Mohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fbsd needs SAN support before it can

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Jeff Mohler
Not all of us can program..but let me ask this question. Linux is all volunteer, how did it get so far ahead? Granted I'll take ports over RPM's and such any day, but..ports hasnt sucked up all of the Fbsd oxygen by itself in the last handful of years. On 1/9/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Colin Percival [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nikolas Britton wrote: I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. In other words, you want us to hurry

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Rico Secada
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:48:39 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am unhappy but I care too much about FreeBSD to just up and leave, it may be time for a sabbatical though... And I complain because I care... like a parent. Trolling. ___

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:51 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FreeBSD is created and supported by volunteers. Seems like you just posted a nice list of things for you to get busy and contribute. I don't have time to

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Colin Percival
Nikolas Britton wrote: I don't have time to contribute work, I have a business to manage as well as other obligations that come first... I need this stuff to just work... so I can get real things done. In other words, you want us to hurry up and do more unpaid work, so that you can make more

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-09 Thread Nikolas Britton
On 1/10/07, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:48:39 -0600 Nikolas Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am unhappy but I care too much about FreeBSD to just up and leave, it may be time for a sabbatical though... And I complain because I care... like a parent.

is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-08 Thread Jim Pazarena
http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions - Gentoo/FreeBSD: license problems require a development pause

Re: is THIS why the 6.2 release seems stalled ?

2007-01-08 Thread Gabor Kovesdan
Jim Pazarena schrieb: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2007/01/08/a-shadow-lies-upon-all-bsd-distributions - Gentoo/FreeBSD: license problems require a development pause