Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:28 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that. I'm using it myself and I'm still happy with it. The advantage is that you can use it for more than just one POP account. The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this email account. Then I'd suggest to install Mozilla Thunderbird and give it the Outlook Express icon. They won't notice any difference. But recipients of mails will - no double HTML garbage. :-) Webmail is not that bad (because important stuff is done in the background - the backend), but I prefer a real mail program. That's easy when you're at home or at work where you can access these resources, but webmail is very handy when you're at another place and still want to to your email stuff. Your idea of combining both (read: IMAP) is quite good. IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows workstation [...] Computer with Windows == PC; Computer with UNIX == Workstation. :-) [...] can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it from wherever from my laptop too. And you can even integrate a standard mail client (e. g. Thunderbird) in this setting to have your mail done more comfortable, without interfering with what's already done. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 13:53:28 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that. I'm using it myself and I'm still happy with it. The advantage is that you can use it for more than just one POP account. In this case that's not really needed, yet. But room for expansion in the future is always nice too. The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this email account. Then I'd suggest to install Mozilla Thunderbird and give it the Outlook Express icon. They won't notice any difference. But recipients of mails will - no double HTML garbage. :-) Webmail is not that bad (because important stuff is done in the background - the backend), but I prefer a real mail program. That's easy when you're at home or at work where you can access these resources, but webmail is very handy when you're at another place and still want to to your email stuff. Your idea of combining both (read: IMAP) is quite good. Well, i'm not exactly taken with the idea of changing out the mail client just for the sake of it. We don't display or send emails in html anyways since that's not such a good idea with OE. As for webmail... I never even thought about just using an email client on my laptop to access the server but that strikes me as a better idea too. No matter what I use i'd be tunneling it over SSH anyways so a mail client would probably have more functionality or at least i'd be more familiar with the functionality as opposed to webmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
mail server/webmail
Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. Thanks for any help you can offer folks! Mark ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). -- Frederique ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any mail program to incorporate them. allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). Repeat after me: Outlook Express is NOT a mail client. :-) I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact with it. :-) I would suggest to use a standardized application, such as M2 of Opera or Mozilla Thunderbird, or Sylpheed-Claws, or pine, or mutt... there are many, and some of them are even available in Windows. Because they're using standard mbox files for the mail messages, syncing them is quite easy, because it can automatically be done on a per-file basis. Another advantage of sticking to standards is that you can instruct different mail applications to use the same mbox files for their operations, in mixed mode, e. g. use Opera's M2 today, Thunderbird tomorrow, and Sylpheed-Claws at the weekend. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, I can't imagine how this should be possible. Call the MICROS~1 hotline and ask them. :-) or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications, because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis. Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there are free webmailers that you can run on your server. If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping local files and server files in sync is excellent. There are good programs that cope with spam, such as SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred mail application. Thanks for any help you can offer folks! Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to start *not* using Outlook Express, because it solves nothing. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). -- Frederique I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact with it. :-) At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused. Outlook Outlook Express Not even close. And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based. Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter. At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 14:49:01 -0400, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused. Outlook Outlook Express Maybe. The original question included no reference to Outlook but Outlook Express. Forgive me my lack of knowledge, but I've never used one of these products (as I have not used any product by MICROS~1). Not even close. I've been told so. And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based. Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter. It wasn't clear what solution the poster initially expected, but more and more I think IMAP would be the way to go. So there's not much responsibility on the MICROS~1 side (which is good). An IMAP system is quite easily set up with FreeBSD, and there have already been good advices which programs to employ for this purpose. The client on the user's site doesn't matter much, as long as it does the IMAP communications. At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients. As I said, I never payed any attention to them, because I don't consider them mail clients, but a bad excuse for not being one. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, 2009-04-23 at 13:30 -0500, Adam Vande More wrote: Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). -- Frederique I've not used roundcube, but horde imp is a also an IMAP webmail client, and I find to be be a much better client than squirrelmail. _ Take a look at Hastymail too .. (version 2, because the port is still version 1) http://www.hastymail.org/ __ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org -- Julien Cigar Belgian Biodiversity Platform http://www.biodiversity.be Université Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Campus de la Plaine CP 257 Bâtiment NO, Bureau 4 N4 115C (Niveau 4) Boulevard du Triomphe, entrée ULB 2 B-1050 Bruxelles Mail: jci...@ulb.ac.be @biobel: http://biobel.biodiversity.be/person/show/471 Tel : 02 650 57 52 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 13:49, Jon Radel j...@radel.com wrote: Polytropon wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Maybe you can get Redmond to give you the source code of their... erm... stuff, so you can see how to interact with it. :-) At least one person here, and it may well be me, is somewhat confused. Outlook Outlook Express Not even close. And while I personally would not pick Outlook Express as a POP/IMAP client, it is pretty standards based. I would not say that O.E. is standards based at all. MICROS~1 does what they want, standards be damned Outlook talking to an Exchange server is an entirely different matter. At least that was the lay of the land the last time I was forced to pay close attention to Microsoft e-mail clients. -- --Jon Radel j...@radel.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:39:26 -0700, Liontaur liont...@gmail.com wrote: I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, This would be a task for fetchmail. It stores the mail in mbox format in /var/mail/$USER, so you can chose any mail program to incorporate them. fetchmail, gotcha. I'll look into that. allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). Repeat after me: Outlook Express is NOT a mail client. :-) The Outlook Express deal is not for me, that's for another person who needs access to this email account and they happen to be very computer illiterate and being as they're used to OE, i'm not going to bother trying to teach them something new. As for me, I plan on just using webmail to access this email account. or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. Under certain circumstances, it looks like a job for an IMAP solution. Note that most of the things you've mentioned are possible with standard UNIX mail applications, because many stuff can be done on a per-file basis. Regarding the part of a web interface, I'm sure there are free webmailers that you can run on your server. If your machine is not a server, your idea with keeping local files and server files in sync is excellent. There are good programs that cope with spam, such as SpamAssassin, or simple filter rules in your preferred mail application. IMAP, gotcha. And yea, the idea is to run this stuff on a FreeBSD server i've got running just for little tasks like this, then the windows workstation can access it with a not-a-real email client and I can access it from wherever from my laptop too. Thanks for any help you can offer folks! Well, I know that my comment isn't much help, but maybe you find a starting point in it, and if it's only to start *not* using Outlook Express, because it solves nothing. :-) Oh your comments are helpful, I don't care what everyone else says ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: mail server/webmail
Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: Liontaur wrote: Hi folks, I was searching around but i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for. I want to have a program that gets the mail from my ISP mail server (pop), stores the mail permanently, allows me webmail access, and also lets me grab the mail with a mail client (Outlook Express). I'd like to be able to sync the mail with outlook express also. Like if I send a mail over webmail, that sent mail will also go into the sent box in outlook express, or conversly, perhaps store all the mail on the server and have outlook express just show the folders and contents stored on the server. But i'd have to somehow upload all of the mail currently in my outlook express. I'll also need some kind of spam functionality as I get a sizable amount of spam. Currently I use K9 for spam and I quite like it. I guess you could start to look in the area of: - /usr/ports/mail/fetchmail (to fetch/store the mail) - /usr/ports/mail/dovecot (for access to the mail via imap) - /usr/ports/mail/squirremail or roundcube (webmail w/ imap) - /usr/ports/www/apache22 for the webmail As you're then using IMAP, any client that connects to dovecot will get the same set of mailfolders (sync). If one is going that far, I'd recommend: http://www.thenetworkpeople.biz/internet/mail/toaster/ I've been using them for many years, for thousands of accounts across hundreds of domains, and it just works. Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
