Re: obsolete files?
damn, this sounds bad. so what, freebsd from scratch is the only way to avoid this? and how come make/install world is made like that? shouldn't the developers try to avoid this kind of thing? thanks. On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:42:32AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: On Saturday 21 February 2004 11:24 pm, jsha wrote: hello. does make world leave obsolete files on your system after install? without even the slightest effort to remove them? please say it isn't so. i like make world. Worse, it is known to cause fatal situations where you have to use the fixit disk to recover your system or do a reinstall. If you upgrade a kernel that panics, you will be committed to using the bad build. The installworld being run after the installkernel and reboot to single user mode is for your protection. FWIW, even installworld leaves obsolete files on your system at various times. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html -- j. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obsolete files?
Please don't top-post. On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:42:32AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: On Saturday 21 February 2004 11:24 pm, jsha wrote: hello. does make world leave obsolete files on your system after install? without even the slightest effort to remove them? please say it isn't so. i like make world. Worse, it is known to cause fatal situations where you have to use the fixit disk to recover your system or do a reinstall. If you upgrade a kernel that panics, you will be committed to using the bad build. The installworld being run after the installkernel and reboot to single user mode is for your protection. FWIW, even installworld leaves obsolete files on your system at various times. Kent jsha [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: damn, this sounds bad. so what, freebsd from scratch is the only way to avoid this? and how come make/install world is made like that? shouldn't the developers try to avoid this kind of thing? Following the documented upgrade path (including checking UPDATING for any special actions needed at a particular point) will avoid having an unbootable system. Kent Stewart was explaining why using make world is less safe than using the documented procedure. And having a few obsolete files left behind is not generally a problem. It's possible to find some and weed them out, but it's not worth worrying about. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obsolete files?
Hi jsha, so what, freebsd from scratch is the only way to avoid this? Where can I find information on 'freebsd from scratch'. Pointers would be appreciated. TIA B.R. Stephen Liu and how come make/install world is made like that? shouldn't the developers try to avoid this kind of thing? thanks. On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 01:42:32AM -0800, Kent Stewart wrote: On Saturday 21 February 2004 11:24 pm, jsha wrote: hello. does make world leave obsolete files on your system after install? without even the slightest effort to remove them? please say it isn't so. i like make world. Worse, it is known to cause fatal situations where you have to use the fixit disk to recover your system or do a reinstall. If you upgrade a kernel that panics, you will be committed to using the bad build. The installworld being run after the installkernel and reboot to single user mode is for your protection. FWIW, even installworld leaves obsolete files on your system at various times. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obsolete files?
so what, freebsd from scratch is the only way to avoid this? Where can I find information on 'freebsd from scratch'. Pointers would be appreciated. You can find that 'article' in the FreeBSD Documentation Set: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/\ fbsd-from-scratch/index.html -- -jg. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
obsolete files?
hello. does make world leave obsolete files on your system after install? without even the slightest effort to remove them? please say it isn't so. i like make world. -- j. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obsolete files?
On Saturday 21 February 2004 11:24 pm, jsha wrote: hello. does make world leave obsolete files on your system after install? without even the slightest effort to remove them? please say it isn't so. i like make world. Worse, it is known to cause fatal situations where you have to use the fixit disk to recover your system or do a reinstall. If you upgrade a kernel that panics, you will be committed to using the bad build. The installworld being run after the installkernel and reboot to single user mode is for your protection. FWIW, even installworld leaves obsolete files on your system at various times. Kent -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA http://users.owt.com/kstewart/index.html ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: obsolete files?
On Sun, Feb 22, 2004 at 08:24:28AM +0100, jsha wrote: hello. does make world leave obsolete files on your system after install? without even the slightest effort to remove them? please say it isn't so. i like make world. Hi, If it does then its written down in the handbook under the cutting edge. -- Alex Articles based on solutions that I use: http://www.kruijff.org/alex/index.php?dir=docs/FreeBSD/ ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make installworld obsolete files
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 12:31:15AM +0200, Jean-Yves Lefort wrote:
Is the make installworld command deleting files belonging to older
FreeBSD versions and no longer present in the version being installed?
No. Obsolete files are left lying about on the hard drive. Usually
there are very few files that drop out between updates, so this isn't
a massive problem. It can be significant if you start playing with
the NO_FOO options in /etc/make.conf or for a major version upgrade.
If no, is there a reliable way to identify those files in order to be
able to delete them by hand?
If you go through a {build,install}world cycle and you don't use the
'-C' flag for install (set in /etc/make.conf), then all the files you
install will have timestamps within a few seconds of each other. You
can then identify the files that haven't been modified using find,
eg. for the root partition:
find -x / -mtime +1 -ls \( -name modules.old -o -name etc -o -name dev \) -prune
but you're going to have to go through that list manually to work out
which files are actually surplus to requirements.
Cheers,
Matthew
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