port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Boris Karloff
Hello:

I have a user on my network with a Linux box that is
performing a port scan on all the computers in my network
manually. He's doing this 'because he can'. Although I've
asked him not to, he continues to do so.

1) How can I block or inhibit port scans launched against my
freeBSD servers from within my network?

2) How can I 'hide' my freeBSD servers from users on the
network? (If they can't see them, then they don't know to
scan them.)

Thanks in advance.

Harold



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Re: port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Mike Hernandez
If you ask him not to do so, then you know who he is, correct? The
best way to prevent him from continuing is to deny him access to the
network.  AFAIK there is no way to block a scan, though you could
close ports and otherwise secure your systems so that the scans won't
produce any helpful information?  Hiding a server wont help much, nmap
can scan blocks of IP's.  If the servers aren't on the same network as
your users they can't be scanned easily, but that might complicate
your setup.

IMHO, revoke the user's permission to access the network, or bring up
the issue with someone who has the authority to do so.

Mike
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RE: port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Joshua Weaver
google up arp-sk, use it to modify the arp tables in switch and play with
him a bit :)

-Joshua

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 If you ask him not to do so, then you know who he is, correct? The
 best way to prevent him from continuing is to deny him access to the
 network.  AFAIK there is no way to block a scan, though you could
 close ports and otherwise secure your systems so that the scans won't
 produce any helpful information?  Hiding a server wont help much, nmap
 can scan blocks of IP's.  If the servers aren't on the same network as
 your users they can't be scanned easily, but that might complicate
 your setup.
 
 IMHO, revoke the user's permission to access the network, or bring up
 the issue with someone who has the authority to do so.
 
 Mike
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RE: port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Denny Jodeit



 Hello:
 
 I have a user on my network with a Linux box that is
 performing a port scan on all the computers in my network
 manually. He's doing this 'because he can'. Although I've
 asked him not to, he continues to do so.
 
 1) How can I block or inhibit port scans launched against my
 freeBSD servers from within my network?
 
 2) How can I 'hide' my freeBSD servers from users on the
 network? (If they can't see them, then they don't know to
 scan them.)
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Harold


Try portsentry in conjunction with logcheck, both are in the ports.

D.

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Re: port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Erik Norgaard

Boris Karloff wrote:

I have a user on my network with a Linux box that is
performing a port scan on all the computers in my network
manually. He's doing this 'because he can'. Although I've
asked him not to, he continues to do so.

1) How can I block or inhibit port scans launched against my
freeBSD servers from within my network?

2) How can I 'hide' my freeBSD servers from users on the
network? (If they can't see them, then they don't know to
scan them.)


1st: You can't really block a port scan, you can block your ports for 
incoming connections so you will appear to be offline. You can also 
configure your host to send particular types of icmp responces.


2nd: Ok, so he sends some packets, but does this saturate the connection 
or in other ways interrupt service? Likely not, but if it does it should 
be against the acceptable use policy for the network, and complaining 
to the right person should cause his wires to be cut (if it's wired) or 
that he be blocked in the AP. If it's _your_ network then you can make 
it against the AUP and cut him off.


3rd: If you want to some have fun - ok, I don't know how legal this is - 
then you poison his arp cache effectively taking him off the network 
until it clears up.


This may? be done with arp-sk, or other tools are available.

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Re: port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Bart Silverstrim


On Sep 7, 2005, at 11:30 AM, Denny Jodeit wrote:






Hello:

I have a user on my network with a Linux box that is
performing a port scan on all the computers in my network
manually. He's doing this 'because he can'. Although I've
asked him not to, he continues to do so.

1) How can I block or inhibit port scans launched against my
freeBSD servers from within my network?

2) How can I 'hide' my freeBSD servers from users on the
network? (If they can't see them, then they don't know to
scan them.)

Thanks in advance.

Harold



Try portsentry in conjunction with logcheck, both are in the ports.


Hmm...

You could use the software firewall for all requests from his IP.

Or disconnect his network cable.

Or set up all the other machines on the network to periodically ping 
flood his computer to slow it down to a crawl.


Set up the dsniff tools and redirect his traffic through another 
machine to monitor what is going on with that machine periodically, or 
set up a proxy web filter on a machine and redirect traffic from his 
computer to go through it and filter anything and everything not 
related to work.


Set up another machine so it once in awhile takes his IP for a few 
minutes to knock him off the network.


just some ideas for practical or entertainment value.

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RE: port scanning and hidden servers

2005-09-07 Thread Gayn Winters


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 Boris Karloff
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 I have a user on my network with a Linux box that is
 performing a port scan on all the computers in my network
 manually. He's doing this 'because he can'. Although I've
 asked him not to, he continues to do so.
 
 1) How can I block or inhibit port scans launched against my
 freeBSD servers from within my network?
 
 2) How can I 'hide' my freeBSD servers from users on the
 network? (If they can't see them, then they don't know to
 scan them.)
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 Harold

1. VLAN security on a managed switch
2. TCP wrappers
3. Ipchains
4. Snort (to generate dynamic fw rules)
 
-gayn

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