Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-26 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 09:10:22AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote:

 On 09/23/11 14:11, Jerry McAllister wrote:
 Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it? jerry
 There would be no middle.  I would run rsyncd or nfsd, but not both.

Ah, I get it.  In that case, I think rsync is probably more useful
than NFS because it can check and only copy modified files.

Alternatively, if you are doing backups to recover from system
failures - such as a disk crash, you would probably prefer dump(8)/restore(8)
They can write to a file on the other machine, can do change dumps
and they preserve all the needed UNIX attributes.   

I actually do a dump piped to a restore on another disk as a convenient 
backup to handle my all too frequent cases of fumble fingers and sleep
deprived bad thinking where I need to quickly get back a file I mangled, 
deleted or need to start over on.   Restore can easily pull single files
or directory trees from a dump file as well.  But having it already
pre-restored makes it easier -- and only doubles my disk use - disk is
cheap isn't it.

jerry
  
 
 Jason
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-25 Thread Jason C. Wells

On 09/23/11 14:11, Jerry McAllister wrote:

Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it? jerry

There would be no middle.  I would run rsyncd or nfsd, but not both.

Jason
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-25 Thread Jason C. Wells

On 09/23/11 14:15, Chuck Swiger wrote:
Lots. The handbook has a chapter on backups which is worth reading, 
also Regards,


Ah the handbook.  I forgot all about it.  Thanks.

Later,
Jason

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rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread Jason C. Wells
I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little 
more sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs.  I have two servers.  I'd 
like to make each a backup server for the other.  I'm considering using 
rsync.


Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?
Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS?  I'm using 100 mbps ethernet.
What's the better solution I haven't considered?

Thanks,
Jason
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RE: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread Gary Gatten
I'm sure you'll get a TON of responses on this.  Maybe some script that 
combines tar, g[b]zip, and rsync?  I wouldn't use NFS just for this, but if 
it's already there it may have a place.

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Subject: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little 
more sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs.  I have two servers.  I'd 
like to make each a backup server for the other.  I'm considering using 
rsync.

Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?
Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS?  I'm using 100 mbps ethernet.
What's the better solution I haven't considered?

Thanks,
Jason
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 02:04:03PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote:

 I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little 
 more sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs.  I have two servers.  I'd 
 like to make each a backup server for the other.  I'm considering using 
 rsync.

 Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?

rsync can be used effectively.  The optimum solution really depends on 
how much total disk and how much changes between each run.

 Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS?  I'm using 100 mbps ethernet.
 What's the better solution I haven't considered?

Why would you interject NFS in the middle of it?

jerry

 
 Thanks,
 Jason
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread David Brodbeck
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Jason C. Wells j...@speakeasy.net wrote:
 I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little more
 sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs.  I have two servers.  I'd like to
 make each a backup server for the other.  I'm considering using rsync.

 Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?

rsync is good for mirroring one file tree to another.

If you want a complete backup system centering around rsync, check out BackupPC.

NFS will let you mount one server's files from another, but you'll
still need to use something to copy the files over; either rsync or
something else.
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Sep 23, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Jason C. Wells wrote:
 Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?

It's OK.  A versioned backup system (dump/restore, Legato Networker, Amanda, 
Retrospect, etc) is more efficient at using backup storage.

 Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS?  I'm using 100 mbps ethernet.

If it's local and you already have NFS in place, that would be fine.  If you're 
backing up over a WAN, rsyncd is probably a better call.

 What's the better solution I haven't considered?

Lots.  The handbook has a chapter on backups which is worth reading, also

Regards,
-- 
-Chuck

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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread Bill Campbell
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011, Jason C. Wells wrote:
 I am looking into finally setting up a backup solution that's a little  
 more sophisticated than a bunch of DVD-RWs.  I have two servers.  I'd  
 like to make each a backup server for the other.  I'm considering using  
 rsync.

 Is rsync a good choice for a backup tool?
 Should I use the rsyncd or should I use NFS?  I'm using 100 mbps ethernet.
 What's the better solution I haven't considered?

We use rsync extensively for backups on local LANs as well as
off-site via the 'Net.

My experience using NFS for this was not good, but it's been many
years since I last tried this so I don't remember the details.

Bill
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Re: rsync over nfs or rsync protocol

2011-09-23 Thread David Brodbeck
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote:
 Lots.  The handbook has a chapter on backups which is worth reading, also

True.  Personally, I like dump/restore for disaster-recovery backups
on FreeBSD.  However, if you frequently need individual file recovery
(e.g., Joe User deletes an important file and wants it back) or if you
need to back up systems running something other than FreeBSD, BackupPC
is hard to beat for disk-to-disk backup.  If you're going to tape you
might want something like Amanda, instead.
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