Re: tao suddenly died
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 07:23:30AM +, Matthew Seaman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2010 03:34:52, Gary Kline wrote: Well, long-story-short, the most unepect thing happened: a power surge. I did not realize that my printer was also off until hours later. A friend helped me trace the problem and reset my surgge-protector. ---It is worth noting that BEFORE I got my battery [UPS], when things were dead or suddenly went dead, i knew right away to check the surge-protector. Uh -- if you have a UPS, why are you using a surge protector as well? The function of a UPS is to condition your power supply. It puts out clean 110/220V 50/60Hz power (depending on where you live) irrespective of what it is getting from the mains. That is, the UPS also does all the surge protection function itself. Not only that, it should cope with surges by absorbing them, rather than blowing a circuit breaker, so it carries on running after the surge is over. Admittedly some UPS designs are better than others -- inline UPSes are the best, but tend to be more expensive. These work by converting the input to DC and then converting back to AC. Cheaper UPSes monitor the characteristics of the incoming current and switch to battery power if it is out of specification, which is not really failsafe. Also, didn't your UPS sound the alarm? They are normally too loud to ignore easily. (This is all new to me, first, and I do not have everything plugged into the UPS, second. I don't have the unit fully configured [via X11] so want to keep the load as light as possible. ) The unit is an APC manufacture; should be closer to the top of the line -- that's just my guess. What happened yesterday morning was that my DNS and firewall, router and widescreen kept on working ... :-D Now it's time for me to finish the task on upgrading and maintenance. Trying to decide whether to build another home-brew computer or buy one off the shelf. gary Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuXSPIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwEOwCfWQN0avDyhhKwrP9THpWkd4Na 5i0Ani14kuI9kYx2RF9x5gOJf/Khcb+I =32IO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tao suddenly died
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:04:26PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
Aloha Al and thanks for responding. {god this has been a
long day... . }
Well, long-story-short, the most unepect thing happened: a
power surge. I did not realize that my printer was also off
until hours later. A friend helped me trace the problem and
reset my surgge-protector. ---It is worth noting that BEFORE
I got my battery [UPS], when things were dead or suddenly
went dead, i knew right away to check the surge-protector.
nutshell: things are almost back. it'll be only an hour
before everything is back.
still, this is a warning to get back on the ball and start
looking for a new desktop.
i would be much obliged for ideas on what kind of dell to buy
next. i say 'dell' because i would like to make life simple
and eventually have one kind of box. (i have three tower
computers: one is my DNS/mail/web server; one is my pfSense
firewall; one is my laptop. i COULD use the server as a
desktop, but that would be too much of a risk!
so:: should i be looking for a dual or quad? i am biased
toward intel because i think the AMD requires more juice. [[my
only linux server --long dead-- seemed to suck 100w to 107w as
a minimum.]]
suggestions?
I don't really think much of Dell consumer level products or support. While
they aren't the worst out there, it still doesn't make it very compelling
for me. Depending on your resources(money) you might consider something
like this:
WEll, frankly, _cost_ is less of an issue considering all
the grief, c. i think I've built [custom ordred] more
and better systems than the Dells and HPs.
http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo
I'll look this up when I am using a GUI mailer.
While more money than you'd probably spend with dell, here's a couple
reasons to consider it further.
1. Out the Box compatibility
2. Great hardware support/warranty service
3. Vendor backing of your OS
4. Long term upgradability, this will serve you better than any emachine.
5. ixsystems is a large supporter of FreeBSD
I believe the TCO of something like that is lower than most alternatives.
One further thought is I don't see a lot sense in the requirement must be a
dell, cause the other ones I have are dell given the amount of machines you
run. To me, it would make more sense to standardize on something like cpu,
so that you could run one as a build system/package repository. I know that
settling on one vendor generally means you only need one source for warranty
work, but with stickers on cases and online accounts this isn't such an
issue anymore.
I would like to establish a history with one vendor, so
your feedback makes sense.
What I haven't decided on yet in whether to go with a
dual-core or quad-. mY current desktop is a 2.4GHz and
has always seemed slow when I've running more than five
tasks. Strange. The new dual-core server is like
greased lightening ... and extremely lightly loaded.
gary
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Re: tao suddenly died
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 10:04:26PM -0600, Adam Vande More wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
Aloha Al and thanks for responding. {god this has been a
long day... . }
Well, long-story-short, the most unepect thing happened: a
power surge. I did not realize that my printer was also off
until hours later. A friend helped me trace the problem and
reset my surgge-protector. ---It is worth noting that BEFORE
I got my battery [UPS], when things were dead or suddenly
went dead, i knew right away to check the surge-protector.
nutshell: things are almost back. it'll be only an hour
before everything is back.
still, this is a warning to get back on the ball and start
looking for a new desktop.
i would be much obliged for ideas on what kind of dell to buy
next. i say 'dell' because i would like to make life simple
and eventually have one kind of box. (i have three tower
computers: one is my DNS/mail/web server; one is my pfSense
firewall; one is my laptop. i COULD use the server as a
desktop, but that would be too much of a risk!
so:: should i be looking for a dual or quad? i am biased
toward intel because i think the AMD requires more juice. [[my
only linux server --long dead-- seemed to suck 100w to 107w as
a minimum.]]
suggestions?
I don't really think much of Dell consumer level products or support.
While
they aren't the worst out there, it still doesn't make it very compelling
for me. Depending on your resources(money) you might consider something
like this:
WEll, frankly, _cost_ is less of an issue considering all
the grief, c. i think I've built [custom ordred] more
and better systems than the Dells and HPs.
http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo
I'll look this up when I am using a GUI mailer.
While more money than you'd probably spend with dell, here's a couple
reasons to consider it further.
1. Out the Box compatibility
2. Great hardware support/warranty service
3. Vendor backing of your OS
4. Long term upgradability, this will serve you better than any
emachine.
5. ixsystems is a large supporter of FreeBSD
I believe the TCO of something like that is lower than most alternatives.
One further thought is I don't see a lot sense in the requirement must
be a
dell, cause the other ones I have are dell given the amount of machines
you
run. To me, it would make more sense to standardize on something like
cpu,
so that you could run one as a build system/package repository. I know
that
settling on one vendor generally means you only need one source for
warranty
work, but with stickers on cases and online accounts this isn't such an
issue anymore.
I would like to establish a history with one vendor, so
your feedback makes sense.
What I haven't decided on yet in whether to go with a
dual-core or quad-. mY current desktop is a 2.4GHz and
has always seemed slow when I've running more than five
tasks. Strange. The new dual-core server is like
greased lightening ... and extremely lightly loaded.
gary
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I will choose to go witha Dual Core and the extra buck to a better hard
driver, more memory or even better a good quality mainboard.
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tao suddenly died
Well, first time this happened since I got my Dell 8200. It suddenly died. I just finished sending an email a few minutes earlier. I'm writing from my only other live non-server. The KVM switch was mis-installed so I can't KVM over to my DNS server. Does this happen often with Dells? What should I be looking for to replace the 8200. thanks for any suggestions. -- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tao suddenly died
Gary Kline wrote: Well, first time this happened since I got my Dell 8200. It suddenly died. I just finished sending an email a few minutes earlier. I'm writing from my only other live non-server. The KVM switch was mis-installed so I can't KVM over to my DNS server. Does this happen often with Dells? What should I be looking for to replace the 8200. thanks for any suggestions. Aloha Gary, Dell sudden death. In my experience means a hardware failure. EG: Two weeks ago I consulted for a friend in IT on a dead Dell server with the removable hard drives. It turned out to be a faulty back plate where the HD's fitted in so all 4 were not working. Dell had to send a replacement backplate to replace the bad one. If you can find anyone on a list with one of your type maybe they can help you. Dell doesnt always use the same hardware in the same model computer btw. Check all the cables and power supply connections and re-seat everything in the box. Something may have walked out of the board. ~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740 + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + + http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* + email: n...@hdk5.net All that's really worth doing is what we do for others.- Lewis Carrol ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: tao suddenly died
On Tue, Mar 09, 2010 at 02:11:54PM -1000, Al Plant wrote:
Gary Kline wrote:
Well, first time this happened since I got my Dell 8200.
It suddenly died. I just finished sending an email a few
minutes earlier. I'm writing from my only other live
non-server. The KVM switch was mis-installed so I can't
KVM over to my DNS server.
Does this happen often with Dells? What should I be
looking for to replace the 8200.
thanks for any suggestions.
Aloha Gary,
Dell sudden death. In my experience means a hardware failure.
EG: Two weeks ago I consulted for a friend in IT on a dead Dell server
with the removable hard drives. It turned out to be a faulty back plate
where the HD's fitted in so all 4 were not working. Dell had to send a
replacement backplate to replace the bad one.
If you can find anyone on a list with one of your type maybe they can
help you. Dell doesnt always use the same hardware in the same model
computer btw.
Check all the cables and power supply connections and re-seat everything
in the box. Something may have walked out of the board.
Aloha Al and thanks for responding. {god this has been a
long day... . }
Well, long-story-short, the most unepect thing happened: a
power surge. I did not realize that my printer was also off
until hours later. A friend helped me trace the problem and
reset my surgge-protector. ---It is worth noting that BEFORE
I got my battery [UPS], when things were dead or suddenly
went dead, i knew right away to check the surge-protector.
nutshell: things are almost back. it'll be only an hour
before everything is back.
still, this is a warning to get back on the ball and start
looking for a new desktop.
i would be much obliged for ideas on what kind of dell to buy
next. i say 'dell' because i would like to make life simple
and eventually have one kind of box. (i have three tower
computers: one is my DNS/mail/web server; one is my pfSense
firewall; one is my laptop. i COULD use the server as a
desktop, but that would be too much of a risk!
so:: should i be looking for a dual or quad? i am biased
toward intel because i think the AMD requires more juice. [[my
only linux server --long dead-- seemed to suck 100w to 107w as
a minimum.]]
suggestions?
gary
ps:: if anyboy in the seattle area can come by and fix my KVM
wiring, i can pay for your gasoline, but that's about it... .
~Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii - Phone: 808-284-2740
+ http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org +
+ http://aloha50.net - Supporting - FreeBSD 7.2 - 8.0 - 9* +
email: n...@hdk5.net
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The 7.79a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php
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Re: tao suddenly died
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Gary Kline kl...@thought.org wrote:
Aloha Al and thanks for responding. {god this has been a
long day... . }
Well, long-story-short, the most unepect thing happened: a
power surge. I did not realize that my printer was also off
until hours later. A friend helped me trace the problem and
reset my surgge-protector. ---It is worth noting that BEFORE
I got my battery [UPS], when things were dead or suddenly
went dead, i knew right away to check the surge-protector.
nutshell: things are almost back. it'll be only an hour
before everything is back.
still, this is a warning to get back on the ball and start
looking for a new desktop.
i would be much obliged for ideas on what kind of dell to buy
next. i say 'dell' because i would like to make life simple
and eventually have one kind of box. (i have three tower
computers: one is my DNS/mail/web server; one is my pfSense
firewall; one is my laptop. i COULD use the server as a
desktop, but that would be too much of a risk!
so:: should i be looking for a dual or quad? i am biased
toward intel because i think the AMD requires more juice. [[my
only linux server --long dead-- seemed to suck 100w to 107w as
a minimum.]]
suggestions?
I don't really think much of Dell consumer level products or support. While
they aren't the worst out there, it still doesn't make it very compelling
for me. Depending on your resources(money) you might consider something
like this:
http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo
While more money than you'd probably spend with dell, here's a couple
reasons to consider it further.
1. Out the Box compatibility
2. Great hardware support/warranty service
3. Vendor backing of your OS
4. Long term upgradability, this will serve you better than any emachine.
5. ixsystems is a large supporter of FreeBSD
I believe the TCO of something like that is lower than most alternatives.
One further thought is I don't see a lot sense in the requirement must be a
dell, cause the other ones I have are dell given the amount of machines you
run. To me, it would make more sense to standardize on something like cpu,
so that you could run one as a build system/package repository. I know that
settling on one vendor generally means you only need one source for warranty
work, but with stickers on cases and online accounts this isn't such an
issue anymore.
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Re: tao suddenly died
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/03/2010 03:34:52, Gary Kline wrote: Well, long-story-short, the most unepect thing happened: a power surge. I did not realize that my printer was also off until hours later. A friend helped me trace the problem and reset my surgge-protector. ---It is worth noting that BEFORE I got my battery [UPS], when things were dead or suddenly went dead, i knew right away to check the surge-protector. Uh -- if you have a UPS, why are you using a surge protector as well? The function of a UPS is to condition your power supply. It puts out clean 110/220V 50/60Hz power (depending on where you live) irrespective of what it is getting from the mains. That is, the UPS also does all the surge protection function itself. Not only that, it should cope with surges by absorbing them, rather than blowing a circuit breaker, so it carries on running after the surge is over. Admittedly some UPS designs are better than others -- inline UPSes are the best, but tend to be more expensive. These work by converting the input to DC and then converting back to AC. Cheaper UPSes monitor the characteristics of the incoming current and switch to battery power if it is out of specification, which is not really failsafe. Also, didn't your UPS sound the alarm? They are normally too loud to ignore easily. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkuXSPIACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwEOwCfWQN0avDyhhKwrP9THpWkd4Na 5i0Ani14kuI9kYx2RF9x5gOJf/Khcb+I =32IO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
