there must be a better way
to the FreeBSD people: I wanted to use your product but i had to back off. Do you know why? This is because you guys make it so complicated to operate that when an UNIX newbie wants to use your product (which is a good thing)he usually backs away when he sees very complicated stuffs and functions. EXAMPLE: Who in the earth would want to memorize this whole thing just to mount a cdrom in practical life... %mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom So my Question is WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO COME OUT WITH A DIST IN WHICH TOUSANDS OF TEENEGERS WILL ATTRACT...NOT REJECT? Dont you you people should consider the newbies too _Jessica Olaya _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: there must be a better way
* mufassa bendover ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020926 23:42]: to the FreeBSD people: I wanted to use your product but i had to back off. Do you know why? This is because you guys make it so complicated to operate that when an UNIX newbie wants to use your product (which is a good thing)he usually backs away when he sees very complicated stuffs and functions. EXAMPLE: Who in the earth would want to memorize this whole thing just to mount a cdrom in practical life... %mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom So my Question is WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO COME OUT WITH A DIST IN WHICH TOUSANDS OF TEENEGERS WILL ATTRACT...NOT REJECT? Dont you you people should consider the newbies too _Jessica Olaya If you run a csh based shell: alias cdrom 'mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom; cd /usr/mnt/cdrom; ls;' If you run an sh based shell: alias cdrom='mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom; cd /usr/mnt/cdrom; ls;' Now type 'cdrom' and see what happens. There is a better way, but it doesn't involve changing the system. It involves engaging your brain to solve problems constructively. It is as easy or difficult as you want it to be. Regards, -- Benjamin Krueger Everyone has wings, some folks just don't know what they're for - B. Banzai Send mail w/ subject 'send public key' or query for (0x251A4B18) Fingerprint = A642 F299 C1C1 C828 F186 A851 CFF0 7711 251A 4B18 To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: there must be a better way
I thought windows was the easy to use operating system, and FreeBSD was for those who wanted more... I'm a newbie myself, but slowly getting somewhere. Just for future reference, I've attached a text file that I use all the time which contains a list of commands/urls which help me remember stuff. It might help you Andrew - Original Message - From: mufassa bendover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:42 AM Subject: there must be a better way to the FreeBSD people: I wanted to use your product but i had to back off. Do you know why? This is because you guys make it so complicated to operate that when an UNIX newbie wants to use your product (which is a good thing)he usually backs away when he sees very complicated stuffs and functions. EXAMPLE: Who in the earth would want to memorize this whole thing just to mount a cdrom in practical life... %mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom So my Question is WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO COME OUT WITH A DIST IN WHICH TOUSANDS OF TEENEGERS WILL ATTRACT...NOT REJECT? Dont you you people should consider the newbies too _Jessica Olaya _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message /etc/inetd.conf /etc/rc.conf /usr/local/etc/smb.conf /etc/X11/XF86Config pkg_add pkg_delete pkg_version -v make clean make install make deinstall make reinstall make search key=lisp make extract will stop it after it has fetched and extracted the source code make distclean make fetch-list will display a list of the files needed for a port mount_smbfs -I bramp //n00b@bramp/downloads /smb/bramp/downloads mount_smbfs -I bramp //n00b@bramp/mp3 /smb/bramp/mp3 du -s * | sort -n will give you a sorted list of your directory sizes. find / -name *apach* ps -aux | grep whatever ee Easy To Use Text Editor locate apache /stand/sysinstall rehash PS1='(\[$(tput md)\]\t \w\[$(tput me)\]) $(echo $?) \$ ' PS1='\w\[$(tput me)\]' /usr/local/etc/rc.d/apache.sh start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mysql-server.sh start /usr/local/etc/rc.d/squid.sh /usr/local/etc/rc.d/samba.sh pw -Edits users/groups tar xvzf file.tar.gz http://www.freebsddiary.org/ www.freebsd.org/handbook www.freebsd.org/doc/faq/ http://www.onlamp.com/pub/q/FreeBSD_Basics http://www.mostgraveconcern.com/freebsd/ Make update http://www.ezunix.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=11page=1 Time Keeping http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=ipcop-userm=101806128912979w=2 IPF How To http://www.obfuscation.org/ipf/ipf-howto.txt
Re: there must be a better way
Original Message On 9/27/02, 8:42:23 AM, mufassa bendover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding there must be a better way: to the FreeBSD people: I wanted to use your product but i had to back off. Ok Do you know why? No This is because you guys make it so complicated to operate that when an UNIX newbie wants to use your product (which is a good thing)he usually backs away when he sees very complicated stuffs and functions. EXAMPLE: Who in the earth would want to memorize this whole thing just to mount a cdrom in practical life... %mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom Have you never considered spending a little money on a book? Something like: FreeBSD an Open-source operating system for your personal computer or FreeBSD Unleashed? Maybe, just maybe, it is you there is something wrong with, not the system. Btw, to make mounting easier: Add /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd9660 ro,noauto 0 0 to /etc/fstab. From now on you can just write mount /cdrom or you can get a daemon to mount everything for you automatically when you need it. So my Question is WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO COME OUT WITH A DIST IN WHICH TOUSANDS OF TEENEGERS WILL ATTRACT...NOT REJECT? Dont you you people should consider the newbies too How much did you pay for FreeBSD? Did you never consider that FreeBSD is a server system? What will FreeBSD gain by getting 1000 teenage users? If you want a user-friendly, grafical, non-server, desktop OS, you may take a look at MS windows or Linux SuSE/red hat. I would really hate it if the FreeBSD maintainers put more in the default kernel and base system, just to make it more userfriendly. I like FreeBSD the way it is, it is powerful, stable, relatively secure and have a great performance, it is a really good server system (just ask Yahoo!). I doesn't sound like you are looking for a server system, so chose a different OS or spend some time getting to know this cool OS. Br socketd To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: there must be a better way
# [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 2002-09-27 14:08:04 +: On 9/27/02, 8:42:23 AM, mufassa bendover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding there must be a better way: to the FreeBSD people: I wanted to use your product but i had to back off. Do you know why? This is because you guys make it so complicated to operate that when an UNIX newbie wants to use your product (which is a good thing)he usually backs away when he sees very complicated stuffs and functions. EXAMPLE: Who in the earth would want to memorize this whole thing just to mount a cdrom in practical life... %mount_cd9660 /dev/acd0c /usr/mnt/cdrom in practical life cdroms are mounted by typing mount /cdrom Have you never considered spending a little money on a book? Something like: FreeBSD an Open-source operating system for your personal computer yes, this one might be for you. So my Question is WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO COME OUT WITH A DIST IN WHICH TOUSANDS OF TEENEGERS WILL ATTRACT...NOT REJECT? Dont you you people should consider the newbies too Install Linux if you want to show off before your peers. I'm a FreeBSD newbie very much myself (not a teenager though), and I consider FreeBSD to be user friendly enough to use it as my sole operating system. Given this fact the system cannot be that bad. Usability is in the eyes of the beholder. Did you never consider that FreeBSD is a server system? bah. FreeBSD is just as good desktop as server system. What will FreeBSD gain by getting 1000 teenage users? If you want a user-friendly, grafical, non-server, desktop OS, you may take a look at MS windows or Linux SuSE/red hat. I would really hate it if the FreeBSD maintainers put more in the default kernel and base system, just to make it more userfriendly. I like FreeBSD the way it is, it is powerful, stable, relatively secure and have a great performance, it is a really good server system (just ask Yahoo!). I doesn't sound like you are looking for a server system, so chose a different OS or spend some time getting to know this cool OS. FreeBSD is *IMO* a much better desktop than any Linux (this doesn't mean it's perfect). -- begin 666 nonexistent.vbs FreeBSD 4.7-RC 4:11PM up 9 days, 23:26, 12 users, load averages: 0.21, 0.20, 0.13 end To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: there must be a better way
Did you never consider that FreeBSD is a server system? I use it as a desktop system, I hope that's also ok :) And to the original poster: I have used Windows all my life (ok, it's not that long, because I have just become 22, but in computer-years it's a lot :) and have just started to use FreeBSD two month ago, and I won't deny if someone says it's hard to learn (Unix in general), but if you spend a lot of time reading and learning and practising then you will notice what a great system it is. Also as a desktop system :) Cheers, Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: there must be a better way
I'd like to add to this. I used Windows exclusively (with some sidetrips since I was married to a rabid Mac user) from about 1994 to 1999, when I launched into Slackware Linux (later other distros but I have since returned to Slackware). I first tried FreeBSD around late 2000 or so, and have never been sorry. The great difference in my experience has been that, while I may have encountered some hills and challenges in my use/adoption of Linux and FreeBSD, using them taught me a great deal about computers and the way they work. Indeed, these systems actively encourage learning ... and I have always agreed with ol' Aristotle that to learn gives the liveliest pleasure. Windows, on the other hand, never taught me anything but the occasional frustration of crashes and system hogging. I recognize the fact that it can do its job of giving the user a pretty good desktop. But the system did not encourage me to poke into its guts, because those guts were proprietary and closed. For me (and I fully recognize that experiences differ) Linux and FreeBSD made computing fun, and opened its possibilities in a way that Windows never did. But I don't think it was intended to do that. Best, Glenn Becker On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Frank Heitmann wrote: Did you never consider that FreeBSD is a server system? I use it as a desktop system, I hope that's also ok :) And to the original poster: I have used Windows all my life (ok, it's not that long, because I have just become 22, but in computer-years it's a lot :) and have just started to use FreeBSD two month ago, and I won't deny if someone says it's hard to learn (Unix in general), but if you spend a lot of time reading and learning and practising then you will notice what a great system it is. Also as a desktop system :) Cheers, Frank To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message -- +-+ This is not a signature +-+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Again: There must be a better way
Listen Guys As a girl...I dont want to deal with that hard stuff. But also if I install windows in my box, I will have to fix it probably at the end of the month (girls hate fixing things). So is there anyway you guys can solve problems for notonly me, but other girls who have the same problem. Thanks for the e-mails and suggesions for how to mount a cdrom, but that wasnt my point. Because you guys are very hard core in programming, you guys could make a better interface for this Os, which is so easy that even my parents could use. When you combine easines and stability together...people will buy your product desperately. you dont know hopefully you will wipe out Microsoft. NOTE: Linux is not the solution because there are too many dist compatibilty issues for dist to dist. Jessica Olaya _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Please don't bite again -- it gets worse and worse lately --- Re: Again: There must be a better way
Please, As a reader and sometimes off-list responder on our FreeBSD lists, all I can say is that they're useful, and that it is of course polluted by spam and pranksters subscribing the list to other lists and last but not least by trolls, but they are is still _very_ useful. Keep it that way and minimize useless responses. Certainly when it's obvious trolls. Please just don't bite and let it go. One reasonable hint is if the reply-to address contains aol.com, by the way. Unfortunately this ain't no rule of thumb. Thanks, DaN -- if replying please do so to [EMAIL PROTECTED] not this Yahoo account. Thank you. -- Ricin Radio! http://stations.mp3s.com/stations/180/ricin_radio.html __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
